president Obama and transgender bathroom controversy

[Kabluey]

So now you speak for homophobes?

You're the voice of xenophobes, transphobes, Islamaphobes here.

You think homophobes don't mind being potentially looked at by gays in toilets and changing rooms now? Classic.

Here's someone who wanted gay NFL players banned because of shared locker rooms:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...02/25/banning-gay-players-from-nfl-is-absurd/

 

[Mariatenebre]

That is the logical falacy of begging the question: you assume trans people have a " right" to use the womens room, but the right or lack thereof is the very issue being discussed.
If trans people don't giva a damn what other people feel, why should anyone give a damn about trans people?
If trans women have the right to the women's room and shower how can you discriminate against other biological men wanting to lurk in the women's room? Or in the high school girls room? How can you tell? If they claim to think they are women they are in.
Are you goung to say that some discrimination is ok--only discrimination against minorities is bad?
There is no discrimination if equal facilities are provided for trans women and biological women. Trans people cannot insist on privacy while robbing others of theirs.

Actually no one should care what bigots think just like no one should have cared when African Americans were forced to use separate bathrooms from white and black people. Also no merely claiming you are trans means nothing generally in order to go into female or male bathrooms you must atleast have transitioned. Now if say trans people were given gender neutral or 3rd gender bathrooms etc I wouldn't honestly have a problem with that although you suggested that we should be forced to pay money just to be able to go to the toilet. Again answer the question who would women rather see in the restroom Laverne Cox who looks like a woman and now even has a vagina or putting Buck Angel in there who looks indistinguishable from a man but still has a vagina.

 

[Kabluey]

Actually no one should care what bigots think

Quoted for truth.
People on the wrong side of history, it would be better if they never existed in the first place.

 

[Benvolio]

Actually no one should care what bigots think just like no one should have cared when African Americans were forced to use separate bathrooms from white and black people. Also no merely claiming you are trans means nothing generally in order to go into female or male bathrooms you must atleast have transitioned. Now if say trans people were given gender neutral or 3rd gender bathrooms etc I wouldn't honestly have a problem with that although you suggested that we should be forced to pay money just to be able to go to the toilet. Again answer the question who would women rather see in the restroom Laverne Cox who looks like a woman and now even has a vagina or putting Buck Angel in there who looks indistinguishable from a man but still has a vagina.

The problem there is one of policing. A rule or law that says men use the mens room and women the women's is enforceable. But, a rule that says some biological men can shower with the women, if their mental state is that the feel like women, but other men cannot, is unenforceable. Who is to know the mental state? If the women report a man lurking in the women's shower, how can the authorities decide?
All over Europe, including airports and train deposit, bathrooms tend to require payment. So if the trans people demand neutral facilities it is not unfair to charge them.

 

[Benvolio]

Quoted for truth.
People on the wrong side of history, it would be better if they never existed in the first place.

So now you think women or girls who do not want to shower with men or boys are bigots?

 

[Kabluey]

So now you think women or girls who do not want to shower with men or boys are bigots?

Most don't want to shower with each other. Let alone shit with each other.

I absolutely think YOU are a bigot for speaking as though you represent every woman and girl.
The majority of them disagree with you, but you don't really give a shit what your poster-victims actually think.

 

[Kabluey]

All over Europe, including airports and train deposit, bathrooms tend to require payment.

Yeah - no. You're wrong again, ignorant as ever.
You said you've been to Europe - was it within the last century, or did you make that up too?

 

[Benvolio]

Most don't want to shower with each other. Let alone shit with each other.

I absolutely think YOU are a bigot for speaking as though you represent every woman and girl.
The majority of them disagree with you, but you don't really give a shit what your poster-victims actually think.

So now you speak for them? Lol, Lol

 

[xbuzzerx]

Actually no one should care what bigots think

Here's where Benvolio's argument circles back around to "but this is a democracy and the majority should get to rule regardless of Constitutional rights or equal protections."

 

[rareboy]

^ Unless the majority happens to disagree with his white supremacist agenda.

 

[Kabluey]

So now you speak for them? Lol, Lol

I posted a link to the first survey results further back - the one that reveals women, in particularly younger women in affected institutions mostly disagree with you.
From memory you claimed that all surveys are faked, or some other such nonsense.

Edit: Whoops. Forgot to add something pithy like 'Lol, Lol'- like a proper dunce would do.

 

[cityboy-stl]

 

[Benvolio]

Yes. As i said ar 304, any rule allowing transwomen but not other men to shower etc with the women is unenforceable. It must allow all men and transwomen or none.

 

[Kabluey]

Yes. As i said ar 304, any rule allowing transwomen but not other men to shower etc with the women is unenforceable. It must allow all men and transwomen or none.

From what part of your anatomy did you pull that... I'm picking it's your vajayjay somehow.

 

[frankfrank]

All over Europe, including airports and train deposit, bathrooms tend to require payment.

Yeah - no. You're wrong again, ignorant as ever.
You said you've been to Europe - was it within the last century, or did you make that up too?

I disagree with Benvolio on the issue, as usual - no surprise - but, in his defense, I'll certainly add that I noticed exactly what he says here. Toilets in places such as airports and train stations, or in some public places (such as the Rialto Bridge in Venice) are often pay toilets. That is certainly true across Italy.

It's fairly easy to solve the paying-to-pee issue by having coffee or a snack in a place that offers these; there will usually be a bathroom and then you don't need to pay.

I didn't notice whether true or not in the "former-Yugoslavia" countries that I visited (Slovenia, Croatia, and briefly Bosnia-H.), I may go to the train station in Ljubljana today just to solve my curiosity.

I'm thinking it's most common in western Europe, where likely-as-not that's the locale that Ben... is talking about.

 

[Benvolio]

I disagree with Benvolio on the issue, as usual - no surprise - but, in his defense, I'll certainly add that I noticed exactly what he says here. Toilets in places such as airports and train stations, or in some public places (such as the Rialto Bridge in Venice) are often pay toilets. That is certainly true across Italy.

It's fairly easy to solve the paying-to-pee issue by having coffee or a snack in a place that offers these; there will usually be a bathroom and then you don't need to pay.

I didn't notice whether true or not in the "former-Yugoslavia" countries that I visited (Slovenia, Croatia, and briefly Bosnia-H.), I may go to the train station in Ljubljana today just to solve my curiosity.

I'm thinking it's most common in western Europe, where likely-as-not that's the locale that Ben... is talking about.

I have been to Roumania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Serbia, as well as Western Europe. I remember the train station in Naples where had to run about a mile to get to the one restroom, only to find that I did not have a Euro.I don't favor the idea generally, but if the trans people want special accommodations, pey to use is the solution. The taxpayers should not have to bear the burden.

 

[kallipolis]

Throughout central, and southern Europe train, and bus stations have a bar, or fast food outlet, or cafe in place where one can drink coffee, and where use of the rest room is free.

 

[rareboy]

I have been to Roumania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Serbia, as well as Western Europe. I remember the train station in Naples where had to run about a mile to get to the one restroom, only to find that I did not have a Euro.I don't favor the idea generally, but if the trans people want special accommodations, pey to use is the solution. The taxpayers should not have to bear the burden.

So we've circled all the way back around and now it seems to only be about the money. And I have no idea what the premise of pay toilets in Europe even has to do with this whole discussion.

So if straight people ask for separate changing and showering stalls, they should obviously be paying for them.

And trust me. The current standard for new-build gyms, schools and other similar public facilities is shifting to separate cubicles for changing, showering and toileting...'cuz, ya know...some homo might cop a look at your junk.

And I don't get what the issue is in the US. Canadian Building Codes provide for a universal toilet that is available for people with barrier free requirements or those who have a morbid fear of gang washrooms. Generally now, where there are only individual toilets being provided, the male/female designation is coming off the doors. They are just toilets.

At the end of all of this nonsense..it is still impossible to track your logic on this whole subject...except that you know that somehow you are supposed to be outraged by this because...well...Obama.

 

[Kabluey]

Throughout central, and southern Europe train, and bus stations have a bar, or fast food outlet, or cafe in place where one can drink coffee, and where use of the rest room is free.

True. Never seen a pay toilet at any airport either. Countries that were formerly part of Yugoslavia aren't exactly representative of Europe either (and their social policies tend to be closer to his thinking than northern Europe for starters).

Why is it that Ben thinks male and female toilets should be free, but not his imaginary 'third gender' toilet? As well as imposing unnecessary cost burdens on businesses because of people like Ben, it begs the question, does he think toilets should be something men and women pay for too?

 

[Kabluey]

I may go to the train station in Ljubljana today just to solve my curiosity.

Hope you're enjoying yourself there