On-Topic Putting blame EVERYWHERE it belongs.

[eastofeden]

^ Pointless.

For all that effort of being unwilling to “repeat”…you quickly could have written at least some of your criticisms (and whether you ever had any regarding a 2016 Hillary Clinton).



This alone demonstrates that you are not “far left.” (And, given your other writings and postings, no one who is truly “far left” rants against Bernie Sanders and his primaires voters and supporters as you have.)

I ranted against you because I think alot of you behaved like assholes..and Jimmy Dore is the worst. If he is your litmus test for far left....you are as narrow minded as you think other people are.

Telling other Democrats you are not going to vote for the Democrat or stay home is insane considering we got Trump. THAT makes me very angry. It made me rant. We also got a Conservative Supreme Court Justice...

Cheering Russia on to hack the DNC and Hillary Clinton is unforgivable IMO..another reason I ranted. I hate that you guys did that.

I would have voted for Sanders without even having to plug my nose if he were the nominee...BUT....I do not think he would have been able to deliver most anything he was advocating..and I think he knew that. If I had a problem with him..that was it. The free college thing was also not something I would push for unless there was a plan to exchange something for the free college....like community service of some kind....

I also think he would have been smeared in the general election because his policies scare Conservatives and Republicans and raising taxes to give people free shit is not gonna go over well in the general election....though it might after Trump....

The worst thing though..I think too many of you guys would have turned on him when he had to compromise..and he would have had to as EVERY SINGLE POLITICIAN DOES...and putting him or anyone else on a pedestal is a recipe for disaster. He is a good man....but he isn't a saint or a savior.

 

[kallipolis]

Telling other Democrats you are not going to vote for the Democrat is insane considering we got Trump. THAT makes me very angry. It made me rant. We also got a Conservative Supreme Court Justice...

Noteworthy, and a reminder that in the political arena, compromise is the wise path that leads to a harmonious society

All government, indeed every human benefit and enjoyment, every virtue, and every prudent act, is founded on compromise and barter.¬ Edmund Burke

 

[CoolBlue71]

I ranted against you because I think alot of you behaved like assholes..and Jimmy Dore is the worst. If he is your litmus test for far left....you are as narrow minded as you think other people are.

Telling other Democrats you are not going to vote for the Democrat or stay home is insane considering we got Trump. THAT makes me very angry. It made me rant. We also got a Conservative Supreme Court Justice...

Cheering Russia on to hack the DNC and Hillary Clinton is unforgivable IMO..another reason I ranted. I hate that you guys did that.

I would have voted for Sanders without even having to plug my nose if he were the nominee...BUT....I do not think he would have been able to deliver most anything he was advocating..and I think he knew that. If I had a problem with him..that was it. The free college thing was also not something I would push for unless there was a plan to exchange something for the free college....like community service of some kind....

I also think he would have been smeared in the general election because his policies scare Conservatives and Republicans and raising taxes to give people free shit is not gonna go over well in the general election....though it might after Trump....

The worst thing though..I think too many of you guys would have turned on him when he had to compromise..and he would have had to as EVERY SINGLE POLITICIAN DOES...and putting him or anyone else on a pedestal is a recipe for disaster. He is a good man....but he isn't a saint or a savior.

What was your criticism of a 2016 Hillary Clinton?

 

[eastofeden]

What was your criticism of a 2016 Hillary Clinton?

Before I say anything...the one thing she did to win me over in the years between 2008 and 2016 was watching her on the World Stage. I think she is a skilled Statesman and I love a good Statesman....always have. Trump is beyond any nightmare of a Statesman I ever imagined....

A few things that did NOT bother me...

Benghazi...
Emails...

Non Issues for me.....

As for issues..the first and last time I will say them....

First off...I never "loved" her. I love Jimmy Carter. I love Barbara Boxer. I love Dennis Kucinich.

I don't like that she was in bed with corporations and big money and master puppeteers but I rationalized it telling myself that if she has made so many "friends" ...she can possibly/hopefully use that influence to move us forward though the possibility that we slid backward in the process was always on my mind. I was counting on her wanting to have a legacy as the First Woman President.

I HATE that there is unlimited campaign contributions but now that this is a reality...I don't see much chance of anyone avoiding the game they are faced with when they come to Washington..and I HATE the game.

I never expect to get everything I want...I don't even think I should.....so I hope for 50%. I would expect maybe 20-25% from her.

I hate the income inequality and I hate that we don't have Universal Single Payer Health Care. I want to believe that she would move us in that direction and at least try to make it happen but I didn't quite believe it would happen. I don't entirely trust her.

I would have liked her to be more transparent. I know she is extremely calculated and that can be a good or bad thing....it worked against her too often as I think she worried too much about how she was going to be perceived as a woman when it would have been better to think about the person she was. She let other people define her and she never bothered to really define herself...I don't know why.

I don't think she was the boogeyman...but she was ethically challenged...as are most politicians. It is a fine line they walk..I get that...so I expect this to a degree. In a different world..it would be more of an issue but this is the world we live in and they are all pretty much damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Those are a few things......

 

[Kulindahr]

Want to bitch about Trump? Start will Hillary and the DNC. Keep in mind the Clintons wanted Trump to run as well. They have been friends for years. Their daughters have even admitted they are still friend, they just keep it quite now.

They got it almost exactly backwards: you undermine the eventual opponent and try to co-opt the closer one.

 

[Kulindahr]

Remember, FDR focused on an Economic Bill of Rights in 1944... this was a man of wealth who threw his lot in with the regular person and as flawed as he was in some areas, here his kind of progressive identification was (and is) a badge of honor.

That's one of the few things I consider good about FDR: he understood what a republic is for, and that it is the duty of the wealthy to give back.

It's really strange to see his party still farther right than he was.

 

[Kulindahr]

^ Pointless.

For all that effort of being unwilling to “repeat”…you quickly could have written at least some of your criticisms (and whether you ever had any regarding a 2016 Hillary Clinton).



This alone demonstrates that you are not “far left.” (And, given your other writings and postings, no one who is truly “far left” rants against Bernie Sanders and his primaires voters and supporters as you have.)

The more I listen to Dore, the more he reminds me of the Republicans around me when I was growing up, who viewed the purpose of a republic as serving the people.

 

[Kulindahr]

Noteworthy, and a reminder that in the political arena, compromise is the wise path that leads to a harmonious society

No, compromise is just a necessary path -- whether it's wise depends on who it is you're compromising with and the nature of compromise. Too much of what people have in mind when they ask for "compromise" in politics is like the rapist suggesting to his victim that they compromise: if she doesn't scream, he won't use the knife.

 

[Sausy]

That's one of the few things I consider good about FDR: he understood what a republic is for, and that it is the duty of the wealthy to give back.

It's really strange to see his party still farther right than he was.

What's crazier? That Barry Goldwater would never be acceptable to Republicans today, or that the New Deal of FDR is too left wing for the Democratic Party to build on as his "Economic Bill of Rights" put forward?

I'm not FAR left wing... but I'm no conservative or even moderate, either. I am not anti capitalist, but think that there has to be in a truly free and prosperous society a basic standard of living that because we all are human beings, should eliminate a situation of fear of the prospect of financial ruin because of a health or work crisis. A stable, growing middle class and real opportunities to climb from working class backgrounds for others is what we need, not more tax breaks for those who have done amazingly well since Reagan times. When the party leadership is sticking up for us, then East of Eden and others like him can talk and wag their fingers if we don't join in solidarity. When they have our backs, we'll have theirs. They don't have our love because they don't even value the basic principles of FDR Democratic values.

 

[CoolBlue71]

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As for issues..the first and last time I will say them....

…

I don't like that [Hillary Clinton] was in bed with corporations and big money and master puppeteers but I rationalized it telling myself that if she has made so many "friends" ...she can possibly/hopefully use that influence to move us forward though the possibility that we slid backward in the process was always on my mind. I was counting on her wanting to have a legacy as the First Woman President.

How about Hillary Clinton also having voted for war in Iraq, her having voted for the Patriot Act and, after no longer a United States senator from the state of New York, still being in support for keeping the Patriot Act? She was still supporting the Patriot Act while campaigning. Was this—along with “counting on her wanting to have a legacy as the First Woman [U.S.] President”—a worthy rationalization for voting for her [in the primaries and/or general election]?

I never expect to get everything I want...I don't even think I should.....so I hope for 50%. I would expect maybe 20-25% from her.

So, 20 to 25 percent is better than 50 percent and 50 percent is better than 100 percent—and that is the attitude when assessing for which candidate to vote the nomination?!

I would have liked [Hillary Clinton] to be more transparent. I know she is extremely calculated and that can be a good or bad thing....it worked against her too often …

Yes—it worked against her. Hillary Clinton was polled as the least popular Democratic presidential nominee in the party’s history. and she went on to lose the general election to the least popular presidential nominee in the history of the Republican Party.

I don't think she was the boogeyman...but she was ethically challenged.

“Ethically challenged”—like, for example, the rigging of the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries via the DNC. The WikiLeaks DNC e-mails which showed that she wanted to prop up Donald Trump because he was so beatable. That sort of “ethically challenged” flaw that was applicable to the 2016 presidential campaign of Hillary Clinton.

 

[kallipolis]

No, compromise is just a necessary path -- whether it's wise depends on who it is you're compromising with and the nature of compromise. Too much of what people have in mind when they ask for "compromise" in politics is like the rapist suggesting to his victim that they compromise: if she doesn't scream, he won't use the knife.

No...compromise is the art of recognising that the world consists of more than you, and that living in harmony with other people requires compromise, enabling people to share their wisdom sufficiently to improve the lives of all who yearn to live in peace, and harmony.

 

[CoolBlue71]

The more I listen to [Jimmy] Dore, the more he reminds me of the Republicans around me when I was growing up, who viewed the purpose of a republic as serving the people.

I’m not in the habit of asking people their age. That can, even in 2017, be taken as an offense by some. But, what you wrote sounds like you come from the period in which Bernie Sanders’s home state Vermont was still carrying Republican at the presidential level. (The state of Vermont did that from 1856, the first time the Republican Party had a nominee, to 1988; the one exception was in 1964 when the state, along with 43 others, said no to Barry Goldwater.)

 

[kallipolis]

The more I listen to Dore, the more he reminds me of the Republicans around me when I was growing up, who viewed the purpose of a republic as serving the people.

I had never heard of Jimmy Dore prior to the posting of his video clips here.

Dore comes over as another Republican Party hack determined to bore the hell out of us, when telling us that Hillary Clinton's political track record justifies Trump's tenure at The White House.

 

[TickTockMan]

Dore comes over as another Republican Party hack determined to bore the hell out of us, when telling us that Hillary Clinton's political track record justifies Trump's tenure at The White House.

You must not pay too close of attention. He is and does nothing of the kind.

 

[kallipolis]

You must not pay too close of attention. He is and does nothing of the kind.

I am well versed in understanding the English language, sufficient to know when a commentator wants to change the narrative from Trump, to Hillary Clinton....for they are part of the standard tactics of the Republican Party's propaganda machine.

The Republican Party must be suffering with embarrassment that their propagandists continue to focus on the flaws of the election loser, rather than the clown performing daily at the WH...but he's a Republican.

 

[TickTockMan]

I am well versed in understanding the English language, sufficient to know when a commentator wants to change the narrative from Trump, to Hillary Clinton....for they are part of the standard tactics of the Republican Party's propaganda machine.

The Republican Party must be suffering with embarrassment that their propagandists continue to focus on the flaws of the election loser, rather than the clown performing daily at the WH...but he's a Republican.

Maybe the "English language", but certainly not on anything else. Just because a republican does something, does not make everyone else that may do the same a republican.


I love how you guys like to name everyone against Hillary or the DNC as Nazis, KKK, republicans, Alt-left, etc.


Even when we fight for the exact opposite of Nazis, KKK, republicans, etc. we are the same. LOGIC FAIL 100%

 

[kallipolis]

^There is the thought that engineering distraction exercises by focusing on the flaws of the losing candidate, Hillary Clinton might conceivably transfer attention from the winning candidate, Donald Trump whose comedy show appears daily on our television screens, and headlines our favourite news papers.

The Republicans, and their propaganda hacks such as Jimmy Dore are out of luck, for Trump insists on entertaining the human race with his star appeal.

 

[eastofeden]

I had never heard of Jimmy Dore prior to the posting of his video clips here.

Dore comes over as another Republican Party hack determined to bore the hell out of us, when telling us that Hillary Clinton's political track record justifies Trump's tenure at The White House.

Same here...never heard of him before I saw clips here...and I had the same conclusion you do.

I consider him part of Trump's 2020 re-election team.

 

[eastofeden]

When the party leadership is sticking up for us, then East of Eden and others like him can talk and wag their fingers if we don't join in solidarity. When they have our backs, we'll have theirs. They don't have our love because they don't even value the basic principles of FDR Democratic values.

I don't give a damn if you join in or not. If you would like to continue helping people like Trump into office..please...go ahead and do so....you have free will....use it....

I won't help...but you can....and then please do enjoy your Supreme Court. I suspect you would STILL bitch about and blame Hillary even if you voted Republican and she was dead.

 

[TickTockMan]

^There is the thought that engineering distraction exercises by focusing on the flaws of the losing candidate, Hillary Clinton might conceivably transfer attention from the winning candidate, Donald Trump whose comedy show appears daily on our television screens, and headlines our favourite news papers.

The Republicans, and their propaganda hacks such as Jimmy Dore are out of luck, for Trump insists on entertaining the human race with his star appeal.

Living with your head in the sand is fine if it works for you, but it doesn't make you right at all. Jimmy goes after Trump just as much as he does Hillary and the DNC.


Calling progressives, on the far left, republicans just shows how out of touch you are.