Russian Invasion of Ukraine

[rareboy]

Honestly, I thought we would have topped 800K by today with the number of engagements and bombings.

Sadly all this will mean nothing when Trump hands Ukraine and Europe over to the Kremlin on January 20th.

You can tell how confident that Putin is:

The Kremlin refuses to alter conditions for ending the war, ISW reports. Russia is deliberately distorting the legislation and Constitution of Ukraine regarding elections under martial law, and also has no intention of giving in to the conditions for ending the war, which have not changed since 2021

 

[TX-Beau]

Toad is going to suggest terms that will be unacceptable to Putin, if Toad then suggests giving Putin what he wants, Ukraine will say fuck no, it isn't in the power of Toad to make either side do anything, and I suspect that his interference will just go nowhere. I'm also not sure he's capable of getting Congress to cut off aid to Ukraine, all it takes is two 'Pubs voting no to stop that in the House.

Then when he gets no Nobel Peace Prize, and no international adulation, he'll just lose interest and be distracted by some other shiny object.

 

[ravenstone]

Toad is going to suggest terms that will be unacceptable to Putin, if Toad then suggests giving Putin what he wants, Ukraine will say fuck no, it isn't in the power of Toad to make either side do anything, and I suspect that his interference will just go nowhere. I'm also not sure he's capable of getting Congress to cut off aid to Ukraine, all it takes is two 'Pubs voting no to stop that in the House.

Then when he gets no Nobel Peace Prize, and no international adulation, he'll just lose interest and be distracted by some other shiny object.

There is a thing called a presidential veto, it will take a lot of Republican votes to continue the war aid.

 

[TX-Beau]

There is a thing called a presidential veto, it will take a lot more than two Republican votes to continue the war aid.

Uhhhh, you can't VETO legislation that DIDN'T pass the House, See, there'd be nothing to VETO.

I seriously hope you don't think Toad can somehow VETO Putin or Ukraine. That would just be more absurd.

If he did try to veto some NEW aid package maybe that would work, maybe not, but I suspect that he wouldn't do that wither, Nope, he's a toddler, if he gets no sycophantic worship immediately the issue will just cease to interest him.

 

[TX-Beau]

You do realize that the recipients of the cash from those aid packages are largely the AMERICAN arms industry?

We're not sending Ukraine cash to buy weapons, we're sending them weapons WE bought from the people who voted for Toad and gave him money.

 

[ravenstone]

You do realize that the recipients of the cash from those aid packages are largely the AMERICAN arms industry?

We're not sending Ukraine cash to buy weapons, we're sending them weapons WE bought from the people who voted for Toad and gave him money.

Yes, I do. Biden also is sending cash to pay their workers and cover pensions.

 

[TX-Beau]

Yes, I do. Biden also is sending cash to pay their workers and cover pensions.

Which is already passed and signed and un-veto-able, and he'd need NEW LAWS to undo, and that couldn't be vetoed UNLESS it passed the House.

See how that works?

 

[KaraBulut]

You do realize that the recipients of the cash from those aid packages are largely the AMERICAN arms industry?

We're not sending Ukraine cash to buy weapons, we're sending them weapons WE bought from the people who voted for Toad and gave him money.

A lot of the weapons that the US sent to Ukraine were from existing military surplus. We didn't give them the state-of-the-art weapons that we sell to Israel and Saudia Arabia. This provided the US military with the added bonus of being able to replace obsolete weaponry with new assets that were purchased from US military contractors.

There were billions that were also allocated to send US military personnel to Ukraine to train the Ukrainians to use the weapons that were sent.

Yes, I do. Biden also is sending cash to pay their workers and cover pensions.

Not accurate. All financial aid to foreign countries is sent from Congress, not the President. One of the reasons that Ukraine has lost some advantage is that House Republicans were having internal battles and were told by Donald Trump to withhold aid to Ukraine, Taiwan and Israel, along with additional funding for the US southern border.

Republicans ‘shameful’ for blocking Ukraine aid, says Australia’s Tony Abbott

Ex-Australian PM says U.S. House Speaker Mike Johnson has been “all politics and no statesmanship.”

www.politico.eu

February 9, 2024

U.S. Republicans are “shameful” for blocking fresh military aid to Ukraine and holding the country “hostage to some other political objective,” according to staunchly conservative former Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott...

Republican lawmakers are withholding their support for new military aid to Ukraine without further funds to stop the flow of illegal border crossings from Mexico...

Congressional Republicans are also being pressured to refuse any bipartisan bill on Ukraine and border security by the party’s likely presidential nominee Donald Trump.

It is true that USAID, which is part of the State Department budget, is providing humanitarian aid. That money goes to paying salaries for teachers and government workers in Ukraine, as well as providing food assistance to Ukrainian citizens and refugees. The area that Russia has attacked around the Black Sea is part of the area that provides grain to Europe, the Middle East and north Africa. Some of the aid that the US provides prevents a cascade of starvation that would affect large parts of Europe, Asia and Africa.

All of this information can be found with a basic internet search.

 

[rareboy]

Trump has said that rrrzia has to make a deal. But he's lying. He is is threatening Europe. Except they are making it clear they will go on without the feckless Amricans to defend Europe.

 

[rareboy]

Because the arrangement he had made with Putin before 2020 is that rrrzzzia could take Ukraine in return for a percentage for him. I am sure that he thought the rrrZZZinz could win the election for him in 2020, but figured that Ukraine would just roll over. Now, Ukraine only has Europe (or most of it) supporting them because Trump is going to force Ukraine to cede the Donbas, the Azov and Crimea to the rrrzzin oligarchs.

 

[ravenstone]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1882849639881462216

Trump has said that rrrzia has to make a deal. But he's lying. He is is threatening Europe. Except they are making it clear they will go on without the feckless Amricans to defend Europe.

Europeans should take care of European affairs.

 

[rareboy]

Of course the Vlads are all about isolationism.

And there is no doubt that increasingly, Europe would be well rid of many ties with the US as it slides into fascism and allies with the Kremlin.

At this point, I can't imagine many European countries wanting to share any military intelligence with the TrumpCo. regime, knowing it is immediately being sold back to Putin.

But eventually all the birds will come home to roost.

The wild card is China.

 

[TX-Beau]

Of course the Vlads are all about isolationism.

And there is no doubt that increasingly, Europe would be well rid of many ties with the US as it slides into fascism and allies with the Kremlin.

At this point, I can't imagine many European countries wanting to share any military intelligence with the TrumpCo. regime, knowing it is immediately being sold back to Putin.

But eventually all the birds will come home to roost.

The wild card is China.

I wouldn't rely on the altruism of European politicians, they know how to manipulate Toad as well, and they can outbid Putin these days. You should be watching Saudi Arabia. Toad isn't selling to Putin, he's selling to them.

 

[rareboy]

True that.

In the background, the oil states are really the ones that call many of the shots.

The US is their sometimes useful patsy.

But I don't think that with Europe, it is a case of outbidding.

I also think that the mentally ill raging narcissist Trump can never forgive EU and British leaders as well as Canada for openly laughing at him during his first term.

And honestly, I don't even get the sense that the EU or Britain are willing to play this time around.

 

[TX-Beau]

That's probably true, maybe with the exception of Eastern Europe. Britian did force Liz to invite Toad to the palace though.

 

[rareboy]

That's probably true, maybe with the exception of Eastern Europe. Britian did force Liz to invite Toad to the palace though.

Yes it was Theresa May and the Conservatives who forced the HRH's to host TRumpCo. for a state visit because they wanted to suck his fart hole after Brexiting.

And I remember Her Maj wearing the crown jewels that were fabled to ward off evil.

It was this visit though where Trump was openly mocked and joked about by the royals and other leaders that was caught on tape.

I always look back and enjoy the snub that the Trumps couldn't stay at Buck Place because of 'renovations.'

Back in December, some were talking about a second royal command performance, but Trump trying to drop the Crown Prince with a handshake and the direct threat made to one of Britain's Commonwealth partners has probably meant that the Trump's won't be rubbing elbows with royalty at Windsor again.

 

[TX-Beau]

LOL, I do Miss Liz. I put nothing past Charlie though. That apple fell far, far, far from the tree. Or maybe he took after Daddy, who - let's face it was something of a himbo.

I'm not a fan of the horsey adulteress either. For that atter I'm really only a fan of the red one who got away.

 

[ravenstone]

True that.

In the background, the oil states are really the ones that call many of the shots.

The US is their sometimes useful patsy.

But I don't think that with Europe, it is a case of outbidding.

I also think that the mentally ill raging narcissist Trump can never forgive EU and British leaders as well as Canada for openly laughing at him during his first term.

And honestly, I don't even get the sense that the EU or Britain are willing to play this time around.

I sure hope you are right. Trump is bringing 20 thousand troops home from Europe so there is hope. You may be right about the Saudis also as it seems they will up production with the coming loss of Canadian oil.

Trump aims to cut US force in Europe by 20,000, compel subsidies from allies, Italian report says

www.stripes.com

 

[rareboy]

We all get it.

Trump the invader is looking to marshal forces to conquer and occupy Greenland and Canada in order to steal resources for MuskCo.

But we'll have no issue taking as many of the invading forces out as possible before being slaughtered. And won't care if they have babies or wives or never voted for Trump.

And at some point, no issue with nuclear armed Europe aiming at your hometown.

None. At. All.

 

[johaninsc]

Canada needs to get some nuclear weapons of their own...fast.