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So, what do you guys think about the possible mosque by ground zero

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Why is this person allowed on the forum...it's really annoying.
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As Crio says, use the Ignore feature.

Sloppy is the only person I've ever had on on my list and it is marvelous just being able to skip over his tripe.

I'm always surprised that he hasn't made it over to CE&P or CO&R.
 
NaughtyArousal said:
Did BigPapiGayPimp really just pull out the gay/pedophile argument? Jesus!

For the record, there is a preschool on 17th and 6th Ave in Manhattan. There is a gay bathhouse on 20th and 6th Ave in Manhattan. The distance is roughly the same as the World Trade Center the proposed mosque. FAIL.
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While BGP sometimes has his heart in the right place (though not, I think, in this case), he's also completely insane. Take that into account.
 
Any idea how many Muslims live and/or work in lower Manhattan?

This is a non-issue given a facade by talk radio hosts.

Muslims didn't attack America. Crazy ass terrorists did.

Timothy McVeigh was a Christian. Should we bar all churches from being built in downtown Oklahoma City?
 
Actually, Muslims did attack America. But other Muslims did not. They're entitled to a peaceful place to assemble.
 
I'm neither American nor religious, so cut me some slack here, but this seems like a painfully obvious discussion.

Morally - Of course it's morally wrong, the bombings were done by Muslim extremists as an attack against a non-Muslim world. I know full well that the view of the bombers does not represent the general Muslim view, but this is besides the point. Relativistically, Ground Zero is a very small part of Manhattan, and it's not exactly a big ask to request that the Muslims build their mosque anywhere other than this spot. Yes it's inconvenient for them, but it's hugely insulting to the families of those killed.

Practically - There's not a thing you can do about it. As someone has already mentioned, they have the money, the space and the legal right to build there. Nobody of consequence seems to be opposed to them building there, and I'm almost certain that this building will go ahead. What happens after the building is, of course, another matter. Personally, if I were one of the affected families living in America, or just closer, I'd be considering joining the queue of people vandalising it.
 
JohannBessler said:
One thing I'm noticing here on JUB:

It's all right to hate the Christians, but not all right at all to hate Islam.
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I don't care what religion or people you hate. But I care a great deal about preserving civil rights for all people, regardless of their religion.
 
Titanic said:
Relativistically, Ground Zero is a very small part of Manhattan, and it's not exactly a big ask to request that the Muslims build their mosque anywhere other than this spot. Yes it's inconvenient for them, but it's hugely insulting to the families of those killed.
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How exactly is it insulting? The people building this community center had nothing more to do with 911 than you or the Pope or Brad Pitt.

How many blocks away would it take to satisfy a bigot?
 
MercuryJones said:
How exactly is it insulting? The people building this community center had nothing more to do with 911 than you or the Pope or Brad Pitt.

How many blocks away would it take to satisfy a bigot?
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Do you not think it's insulting for Muslims to own the site of a religious Muslim attack so soon after it was created, specifically to use that spot for the celebration and progression of the very thing that drove the terrorists to kill 3000 people there?
 
Titanic said:
Do you not think it's insulting for Muslims to own the site of a religious Muslim attack so soon after it was created, specifically to use that spot for the celebration and progression of the very thing that drove the terrorists to kill 3000 people there?
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It's not insulting at all, because those building the site had nothing to do with terrorism.

Do you consider every Christian to be responsible for Fred Phelps? Or for every murder of an abortion provider? Or every German to be a Nazi? Do you not think you are insulting the Muslim victims of 911?

Do you know that we are trying to establish alliances with Muslims in the Middle East? Do you know that our message to the Middle East is that the US is not anti-Muslim? Do you know our most critical allies against terrorism are in fact Muslims?

What's moral here is to uphold the principle of religious freedom for everyone, and to decline to participate in ignorant bigotry.

So how many blocks away would they need to be to satisfy you? 5 blocks? 7? 11?
 
Elegant-Perverse said:
You - and the people threatening the building of the mosque - don't seem to have a grasp on what the world "moral" means in its' religious context, or for that matter any other.

No, their views being far astray from the main message of Islam, is the point. The fact that you think to dismiss that glaring fact is the major reason why people are so against the mosque in the first place. It is not insulting to the families that were killed, because there were more that white christian people in there the day the towers fell. They are building a place to pray, next to the area. Not on top of it, but next to it. Nothing is stopping the people that think they should be the only ones represented in this world from building a church, a memorial, a remembrance. But instead they wanted a hideous futuristic tower.

That's more insulting than any of this. But, you go ahead and you vandalize it because it's not what you believe and because they should be punished somehow for even having the idea to build anything Muslim near there. That certainly bridges the gap.
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Your sarcasm is not appreciated here. Look, I have nothing against Muslims. It is not my faith, but I have no more against the average Muslim than I have against any Christian or atheist. That is irrelevant. And it's not about a Muslim laying claim to the area, or building something on the land. A hotel owned by a Muslim is, again, no different to a hotel owned by anyone else. It's about something specifically symbolic of the Muslim faith being built on the land. It doesn't have to be there, and I think it's far from unreasonable to ask them to build it elsewhere.
(And you may note that I advocated no violence, only that I can understand that many would have aggressive urges because of this.)
 
However, I will admit that I was not aware that the proposed site of the mosque is to be 2 blocks away from the bombing site, which changes my argument entirely (I truly believed that the mosque was to be built on the exact spot of the old twin towers), so I shall shamefully duck out of this argument with my tail between my legs.
 
Titanic said:
However, I will admit that I was not aware that the proposed site of the mosque is to be 2 blocks away from the bombing site, which changes my argument entirely (I truly believed that the mosque was to be built on the exact spot of the old twin towers), so I shall shamefully duck out of this argument with my tail between my legs.
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In the interest of full information: It's also not a mosque. It's a community center that includes gym and recreation areas. It includes a prayer area too, which is itself not a mosque.
 
Elegant-Perverse said:
...then if it's not even a mosque, i don't know why people are up in arms.
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Reasons for people to be up in arms:

A. Anti muslim bigotry
B. Ignorance from those who don't know that it's not a mosque and not at ground zero
C. Political fundraising gains by whipping up the Republican base
D. Political gains by implying that the President is pro-Muslim (and secretly Muslim himself)
 
Elegant-Perverse said:
...then if it's not even a mosque, i don't know why people are up in arms. We're approaching the 10th anniversary of the attack, and i haven't seen one plan for a true memorial to be placed there. But put something near it, and people are all a-flutter. Inconceivable.
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The funniest part is, the plans for the Cordoba House include a 9-11 memorial.
 
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