Survivor 21: Nicaragua

[coastalGUY]

However as my tastes generally gravitate more toward older guys, Marty is the #1 hot guy for me this season.

Oh yeah brah!
With 100% on that one. Marty is my abolute favorite!
Great body and LOVE those big brown eyes. Total husband (or fuckbuddy, LOL) material for me.

 

[joesman]

Sometimes spoilers are entire lists with exact boot orders, which was the case last season. Other times they're more general things like "Shambo lost a lot of weight, so she'll go far" or "Na'onka makes the jury" (sidenote: that's not a spoiler because the jury starts next episode ). I suppose it doesn't help prevent spoiling when pre-jury boots are kept in Loser Lodge until, I think, the merge and then they're all sent home at once?

Either way, this season's spoilers are pretty general. There's a supposed final three, and a couple of other tidbits like "last older man standing" and "six older people voted out before the merge" (which did happen) and whatnot, but I don't think there's an exact order and nobody is positive about which of the final three wins.

The list I saw had the 20 elimination order all the way down to the winner. There were also paragraphs of things that happen at tribal council, things said by JP, the pecking order. It may not be correct but as I watch I will get a better feel of truth or make up.

 

[Aratron]

There's a video on youtube that says the boot order, luckily I avoided reading the whole list. The only problem is that it had the pic of one of them and WINNER

 

[slipintothefog]

Oh yeah brah!
With 100% on that one. Marty is my abolute favorite!

Haha... I don't usually share my opinions about attractive guys on Survivor/BB because my tastes seem to be really different from the rest of the forum. Marty, Jonathan Penner and Tom Westman are the only Survivor alpha dads that I'm not ashamed for finding hot.

I mean, even the queen of sarcasm Courtney Yates called Tom a silver fox, so who am I to argue with her?

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Haha... I don't usually share my opinions about attractive guys on Survivor/BB because my tastes seem to be really different from the rest of the forum.

But that's exactly why you SHOULD share them LOL. You never know who else will agree with you and different strokes and all. And it gets tiring to read yet another post about another bland blond gym bunny.

And yeah Tom Westman is totally a DILF.

 

[Kensei]

But that's exactly why you SHOULD share them LOL. You never know who else will agree with you and different strokes and all. And it gets tiring to read yet another post about another bland blond gym bunny.

And yeah Tom Westman is totally a DILF.

But blond gym bunnies are so cute! Tom Westman isn't bad either, but I couldn't actually go for that.

 

[altlover85]

I love all 3 slip. Thanks for sharing!

 

[slipintothefog]

Well, I'm also big on guys who strike me as nerdy. Stephen from Tocantins? Top of my list (and he's Courtney's boyfriend, so I convinced that Courtney and I share the same taste in men! ). Matt from last season of BB? Also up there, even though I get that a lot of people think he looked like a rat. Throw in Rob Cesternino from Amazon and ASS too. It's also why I thought Michele from BB11 was hot in the house until she came outside and got huge breast implants and plastic surgery done.

Unfortunately for me, casting really seemed to go after athletes for Nicaragua, so there's no hot nerds this season. And a lot of the older men they cast on Espada are... less than desirable.

 

[joesman]

But that's exactly why you SHOULD share them LOL. You never know who else will agree with you and different strokes and all. And it gets tiring to read yet another post about another bland blond gym bunny.

And yeah Tom Westman is totally a DILF.

I actually ran into Tom Westman shortly after he won Survivor and he was a very pleasant man. I told him I loved the show and he commented that he thought the show was one of the great ones. That particular day, though, he was on his way to do an audition and resign from the fire dept. I can tell you that he was scorching in person.

 

[slipintothefog]

I actually hated Tom when I watched his first season. He really just annoyed me for some reason. I found him so much more likable last season when he was the underdog who managed to get Cirie fucking Fields out instead being of the undisputed leader of Koror. I also thought he was hotter on HvV than Palau, even though Palau was when he had the muscular firefighter body.

The Heroes tribe was so disappointing because all of the people who were actually interesting (Sugar, StepheME, Cirie, Tom) got voted out early, leaving us with a bunch of borewhores like Rupert, Colby, and Manhanda. I blame JT for making that tribe so boring.

 

[slipintothefog]

I could buy it with JT. But there's no doubt in my mind that Tyson received payola to vote for Parvati because there's no other possible explanation for a person essentially voting HIMSELF OUT of the game.

Oh well, Sandra and Parvati still got first and second place and made Russell look like a goon, so I was still happy with HvV.

 

[joesman]

I got this on Sucks: http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/10/21/jeff-probst-blogs-survivor-nicaragua

Jeff Blog's Episode 7

Sash: “That’s not what I meant to say.”

Ah, I love an unexpected gift… especially a gift at Tribal Council. It’s one of the truths at Tribal Council that sometimes it takes a lot of work to get them to share anything of interest, and other times… they just offer it up to you like a fastball straight over the plate. Whack! And it’s outta here!

More on Sash’s comment later.

MARTY, MARTY, MARTY
With Marty, it’s all about Marty. He’s so certain he’s right that sometimes he almost convinces me that he’s right even when I know he’s wrong. I really enjoy the rivalry between Marty and Jane. At this point it’s fair to say that Marty is losing, but the guy is really fighting to stay in this game and I love someone who plays as hard as Marty is playing.

JANE
I’m really starting to like Jane. She’s a slow burn. She’s been through a lot in life and I think that is part of the reason why she is so headstrong and fearless. Jane just doesn’t care what you think about her and that’s one of the reasons that if I had to choose somebody to be my mate in the foxhole, Jane would be high on the list.

The biggest obstacle standing in the way of Jane winning this game is going to be… Jane. She said it herself — “I want the cake and I want to eat it too.” How often do all of us fall into this trap? We want it all. You can rarely have it all. There are almost always compromises you must make as you make your way through the ultimate reality show – real life. I think Jane could get far in the game but the chances of her self-destructing are very high. Still not sure I’d keep her around though – she is extremely likable and if she does get to the end – write the check.

One of my favorite moments of the season was Jane catching and cooking a fish for herself. That’s a Survivor! Nice work.

SASH
Man, Sash is becoming a force. If I were playing with him, he’d be driving me nuts with his cocky, insincere attitude. But he certainly has one element of this game figured out – loyalty. He knows where to put his energy. Marty could learn a few lessons from Sash. I know Marty is once again screaming at the screen if he’s reading this, but I think it’s true.

CHASE
A lot of people are bagging on Chase because of his inability to make a decision or stick with an alliance, but when Chase starts talking about his dad and their relationship he sucks me right back into liking him. Don’t let him get deep into this game or he could win his way to the end.

REWARD CHALLENGE
Because of the rough water in Nicaragua we couldn’t do a lot of water challenges, so we built a large cement pool. It never ceases to amaze me what our art department can create and execute.

As far as the challenge, I loved this one. It’s fair for everybody, (okay with the exception of Dan) you could play it at home (Okay if you had a swimming pool) and it’s just fun to watch. But the best part of the challenge came once again thanks to Survivor‘s favorite comedy genius… Fabio!

YOU KNEW SOMEBODY WAS GOING TO DO IT
Fabio peeing in the pool was a moment that still makes me laugh when I think about that day and the look on his face as he was doing it. I enjoy Fabio. He’s a charming young man who often speaks before he listens but is so open and shares so many thoughts that he’s endeared himself to me. No Fabio, not everybody pees in the pool.

THE FOOD REWARD
The various emotional and intellectual reactions to the “reward lunch” were so representative of the game of Survivor as well as “real life” human dynamics.

First, you have Alina who cried because she felt joy, or so she said. Had I been there, I would have believed her because I think I’d probably feel something similar.

Then, Holly reacted like a “mom” and offered Alina a hug of comfort and safety. Once again I believe this was a genuine emotion.

And then… Naonka. Naonka reacts by saying she thinks it’s all a bunch of strategic baloney. She didn’t buy it for a second. Which then gets me to thinking… she could be right. It could be a bunch of strategic baloney.

If I had to play this game I would be constantly fascinated, endlessly uncertain and completely exhausted by the non-stop manipulation.

SMARTEST PLAYER IN THIS GAME
It’s not Marty. It’s not Jimmy T. It’s not Sash and sorry Fabio, but it’s not you either. From my vantage point, it’s Brenda. While she doesn’t have all the qualities of a player like Parvati, she’s close. Besides, it’s her first time playing, give her a chance. She reads people very well, she is smart enough to know when to back off and let someone else get the glory and she knows how to flirt without it being too obvious. What she lacks is the real killer instinct. I think she is so used to getting everything she wants in life handed to her that she hasn’t had to work hard enough to really know how to bury somebody. Put her and Parvati together and they’d be lethal. In fact, the two of them should sign up for Amazing Race.

Brenda and Sash are a pretty good team and right now seem tough to beat so long as they don’t turn on each other. Sash is very good at this game as well; what holds Sash back is simply the way he carries himself. He’s a bit shady. Whether he is shady in real life I have no idea, but his demeanor certainly causes me to think twice – even three times. Ever read Blink by Malcom Gladwell? He would tell you to trust your gut and if Sash told me he had a great piece of property for me to buy, I’d instantly question his motives because if it was truly “great,” Sash is the kind of guy who would buy it for himself.

They are a good team because they complement each other and if I had to decide who was truly leading it would be Brenda, but the one who is gaining most from the partnership is Sash.

Perfect example: Once again, Brenda has a great idea – get Marty to give them the idol. She is the one with the brilliant idea but she empowers Sash to be the one to make the deal happen. Great strategy… but no killer instinct to do it herself. Same as the time when she let Naonka find the other hidden immunity idol. Brenda could have two idols right now. If Parvati had been playing, she would have gotten the idol for herself and a kiss from Marty at the same time.

Instead, Sash gets the idol and now has the opportunity to win favor with Marty by keeping his word. It’s a huge move for Sash and a potentially big mistake by Brenda.

Brenda might argue that she is staying “clean” of everything so nobody is mad at her, but if the two of them make it to the final, Sash can play the “strategy card” and the “I kept my word card.” I give this round to Sash.

My favorite line of the entire pitch to Marty:

Sash: I think it makes sense, but I can’t tell you what to do with your own idol.

THAT’S the shady part I’m talking about! If Sash thinks it makes sense… don’t do it!

To Marty’s defense, I think Marty is right – he has to try something and the idol was going to get flushed out one way or the other. Giving it to Sash gives him a lifeline to Sash with the hope that something will happen to change things up.

TRIBAL COUNCIL
“Jane’s a flipper.” Marty has such a double standard. He complains that people aren’t playing the game and he also complains when people do play the game. Jane is playing the game. There is nothing wrong with what she is doing, it makes sense to try and get with the majority. Man, I talk a lot about Marty.

THAT’S NOT WHAT I MEANT TO SAY
It was the single biggest mistake of the game so far… a simple slip of the tongue. I was questioning Sash on why he was the one who had possession of the idol if indeed it was an idol for the entire “alliance.”

While defending himself, Sash uttered a phrase he would love to have back – “If there comes a time when I lose trust in them.” Ooops. He meant to say “When they lose trust in me.” A Freudian slip?

Freud believed that we reveal what is really on our mind by saying something we didn’t mean to say.

He believed that slips of the tongue provided an insight into the unconscious mind.

So… did Sash just reveal something? Of course he did! Anybody who actually believed that Sash was ever going to share the idol deserves to be voted out. His Freudian slip was only damaging in that everybody heard him actually say what they were already fearing he was thinking.

FOR NEXT WEEK
Sash has the idol.
Marty is in trouble.
Anybody who challenges Sash for the idol may be in trouble too.

But most of all, Sash may be in trouble. He has a weapon in the hidden immunity idol and he just revealed that he will use it if he ever feels he is in danger. In doing so, he just put a big target on his back.

See ya next time.

PS –I honestly, truly just realized that I didn’t say anything about Jill being voted out. That is mind-blowing. I LOVED Jill in casting. I thought Jill could win this game when I first met her. She was a favorite. I wasn’t intending to slight Jill in any way. There just wasn’t anything to say. She played a very quiet game. The numbers were never on her side. The tribe switch didn’t help and her alliance with Marty did her in.

I had written and proof read the blog and was literally attaching it to send to Dalton Ross at EW.com when I realized I had made no comment about the person who was voted out.

I do know this though… I’m so glad it wasn’t Naonka.

 

[slipintothefog]

And then… Naonka. Naonka reacts by saying she thinks it’s all a bunch of strategic baloney. She didn’t buy it for a second. Which then gets me to thinking… she could be right. It could be a bunch of strategic baloney.

Yeah... okay. Alina is basically the narrator of the season and she's been practically incapable of showing emotion so far. The chick isn't an actress and I doubt she'd be able to cry on cue. Shut up, Jeff.

He also needs to stop hyping up the Sash thing. People blurt out the wrong words all the time, especially in nerve-wrecking situations, and it doesn't necessarily mean that's what he was thinking or planning to do.

 

[altlover85]

Yeah... okay. Alina is basically the narrator of the season and she's been practically incapable of showing emotion so far. The chick isn't an actress and I doubt she'd be able to cry on cue. Shut up, Jeff.

He also needs to stop hyping up the Sash thing. People blurt out the wrong words all the time, especially in nerve-wrecking situations, and it doesn't necessarily mean that's what he was thinking or planning to do.

slip, you know Sash (and Brenda, Marty, Naonka, Jane, Holly, Dan, and probably Alina) would use that idol if he/they were in trouble or thought that he/they were.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

I barely made it through Jeff's blog without dozing off. He's an awful writer and he has absolutely nothing substantial or insightful to say about the game he's been hosting for 10 years. Pathetic.

 

[altlover85]

I barely made it through Jeff's blog without dozing off. He's an awful writer and he has absolutely nothing substantial or insightful to say about the game he's been hosting for 10 years. Pathetic.

I didn't think it was bad.

 

[slipintothefog]

slip, you know Sash (and Brenda, Marty, Naonka, Jane, Holly, Dan, and probably Alina) would use that idol if he/they were in trouble or thought that he/they were.

Exactly, they all would. Which is why Jeff needs to stop acting like Sash's slip was such a BIG REVELATION. He's just trying to create drama where there isn't any yet.

Personally, I stopped taking Jeff's opinions seriously a few years ago when he said that Survivor Marquesas was, like, the second worst second ever. That's one of the very BEST seasons of Survivor for my money.

 

[altlover85]

He also needs to stop hyping up the Sash thing. People blurt out the wrong words all the time, especially in nerve-wrecking situations, and it doesn't necessarily mean that's what he was thinking or planning to do.

I don't understand how the bolded part goes with what the idea that everyone else would betray people. I thought the bolded part meant that they might not betray others.

Can you clarify?

 

[slipintothefog]

Well, I look at it as: Sash is the one who created the alliance of minorities + Purple Kelly and Chase, so he obviously trusts them. Thus, he's clearly not planning to use the idol against them at this stage. At the moment he made his slip, he may or may not have been thinking about what would happen if his alliance betrayed him. Hard to say because I'm not Sash.

But there have been a lot of times where I'm just talking to someone and the wrong thing pops out of my mouth out of nowhere. Or I'm on the computer and my hands type a word that wasn't in my head as I was typing. Sash's slip could have easily shown his true colors of, "these people may lose my trust in the future and I'll use my idol" (which should be common sense to pretty much all eleven other people in the game right now... for Sash's alliance to trust him unconditionally would be foolish) or it might have been a total non-sequitur to what was going on in his head and been some sort of mangled form of two different sentence structures in which he meant to say "if they lose trust in me" or "if I lose their trust."

But since Jeff is trying to create hype, it automatically jumps to "FREUDIAN SLIP OMG TRAITOR, BRENDA WHAT DO YOU THINK OF SASH SAYING THAT?"

 

[PATMAN]

I am not the only one who heard Na'Onka fart tonight, am I? lololol