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The New Lady Gaga: Poodey's "As Deep As Me"
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Fashiondiva82
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I'm not backing down people.. I'm saying there are signed successful artists out there who can't sing or the opposite very talented people out there who are playing in coffee houses or in small clubs. I know all about the music business .. umm when I say I come from a musical background I'm not just saying that. I do think there is a certain market for poodey. The name is as catchy as her voice. She's got the confidence and the market to make it. Like I said people dissed lady Gaga when I saw her now look where she is. I'm sure if poodey where on mainstream radio or touring every major venue you would all of a sudden like her. Music isn't always about taste .. it's a business the person or group is a product and they are marketed like cereal or clothing. If poodey where as hot as Lana del ray and couldn't sing then she would be hip or exotic. This is my point she's interesting and has star power and that's really all it takes. One person to convince the masses someone is good. It imaging it's air play blah blah blah .. speaking of blah Kesha is an example of a no talent singer who made it. Someone decided one day that you would like her.. played her over and over until you gave in and decided she was cool.. same with poodey . Ok 
G-Lexington
Lex. Icon. Devil.
I don't mind explaining again, for those who may have missed it.
As I said above, I'm the last gargoyle to tell somebody to not listen to something. I'm well-aware that some of what I listen to is considered pretty crappy by the general public, but I still enjoy listening to it, and so I continue to do so with no shame whatsoever. Feel free to crank Poodey on your car stereo every time you're out driving. I'm not going to say no.
Not a single person here has said, or even suggested "The most popular artists are the most talented ones, and the ones that aren't popular aren't popular because they aren't any good." But that doesn't mean the inverse is true. Poodey's lack of commercial success doesn't imply that she's really talented and that her songs are excellent. At best, one can say "one's success (or lack thereof) is unrelated to one's talent or worth (or lack thereof) as a performer". I posted a song above from a guy who has less than a hundred Twitter followers, but I think the song is really solid.
I was going to say "I have no cause to doubt you", but upon further consideration, I actually do. Because you/Poodey have been recording for eight years, bare minimum. And after eight years, the songs still sound like poorly-produced demos. Anyone with a solid musical background would've said "OK, she's coming in early here" or "she missed this note - she needs to hit this one stronger" or "this song needs a stronger hook".
Then tell me what that market is. Because I can't visualize it. What type of people will this song appeal to? And no - "people who like great music" is both a cop-out and a circular argument.
Tell me about your standard would-be Poodey fan. What do they ordinarily listen to? Where will they run into Poodey's music? What about Poodey specifically will appeal to them?
We'll just have to agree to disagree here. Every time I go to type her name, I have to scroll back up to make sure I've got it right. (I've typed "pooday" at least twice, and "poodie" more times than I care to admit.)
She also has the tenacity, if she's been doing this for almost a decade or more. Those are all great and indeed vital qualifications. But they're also insufficient.
You've been holding this up like a mantra, and perhaps that's what keeps you/Poodey going when you're feeling a lack of confidence. But as I keep telling you, just because somebody doesn't like you doesn't mean you're "onto something".
Let me give you a few different examples really quick.
I went to see one band some years back. And the audience was rather hostile. I don't know if they were "dissing" the band, necessarily, but it was clear they weren't really enjoying what the band was playing. And you know where that band was just one year later?
...nowhere. They broke up. Because, honestly, they simply weren't any good.
Similar story. I got a submission from a band some time ago. And it was pretty bad. It started with a cover of "I Think We're Alone Now", which was pretty sloppy. And it actually got worse from there. I wrote back to them, told them I was passing on their submission, and explained why. And then, a year or two later, they were on a nationwide tour, building up a large fanbase.
...proof that the gargoyle really doesn't know what he's talking about? Nope. See, in the time between my rejection and them embarking on their tour, they got better. They buckled down and got much better individually on their instruments, and playing together as a band. They tried writing some tighter and catchier songs. In fact, they came up with one song that was mainly poking fun at ME. And you know what? I loved it. Not because it was about me, but because it was catchy as hell. They actually won a local battle of the bands with that song. And I don't care in the slightest that it was about how much they didn't like me. They were a bit surprised that I liked it as much as they did, but it was at that point that suddenly people started liking them en masse.
I wasn't at that Lady Gaga show, so I can't speak for how it went. But I've seen a few live clips of her in a stripped down setting. And she certainly seems like she can hold her own in that capacity. I'm guessing that she performed just fine. Judging from what I've heard from Poodey, I can't say the same. Maybe the production completely is obscuring her natural talent, but if so, I'm guessing you'd be the first to say so. Instead, you're championing these songs as "monster hits in everything but youtube plays". And frankly, I just don't hear it.
First off, there's the mistaken notion that everybody gobbles up whatever they're spoonfed by the radio or other media outlet of choice. But even a bit of examination reveals this to be ridiculous. If it were true, why do so many TV shows get cancelled every season? Why do so many albums end up in the cut-out bins? It's because they simply didn't catch on. They were offered to the public...and the public wasn't biting. That doesn't make the shows and albums bad, necessarily, but it does mean that people don't simply accept everything they're handed. There are far more flops than successes, and it's not because the networks and labels aren't trying their damnedest.
And here is where you've screwed up and really tipped your hand. You're no longer promoting these songs as excellent pieces of music that you happen to like. You're saying "since Poodey has star power, she just needs the push to make her huge". The songs are apparently just a means to an end now.
I'm now picturing you as a "manager", with or without producer glued onto that. Your mindset seems to be "OK, people go nuts for club-type music with an 'intriguing' female out front, so I found one such female, and all we need to do is record a song, and wait for the money to come rolling in." You're certainly not the first would-be Svengali to go this route. But you seem to be missing the forest for the trees.
I'm no Ke$ha fan (I think I spelled that right), but I understand the appeal of catchy pop songs about partying. And although I can't say as I've ever wanted to hear a Ke$ha song in my life, I can point out where the hooks are, and which lines appeal to folks. In other words, it's not just female-led dance songs there - there's craft involved. Part of it appears to be via professional songwriters and songdoctors (and her contract nightmares are a completely different subject altogether), but it comes down to the fact that there's still basically sound pop music there. I can picture somebody covering a Ke$ha song on piano for fun. I can't even picture what Poodey would sound like unplugged. (And that's not a request.)
I'll reiterate what I said above. If you're actually looking to "make it big", a rethink is in order. "Making it big" is like pushing a rock uphill - it takes a ton of effort and stamina, and even then there's no guarantee. But attempting to "make it big" with a haphazardly produced, poorly-song song with no appreciable hook is like pushing a cube-shaped rock up the same hill. You're making it exceptionally hard on yourselves. Stop wagging the dog on gay messageboards, and do what that band I told you about did. Get better.
Back to my Nutty Squirrels.
Lex
As I said above, I'm the last gargoyle to tell somebody to not listen to something. I'm well-aware that some of what I listen to is considered pretty crappy by the general public, but I still enjoy listening to it, and so I continue to do so with no shame whatsoever. Feel free to crank Poodey on your car stereo every time you're out driving. I'm not going to say no.
Not a single person here has said, or even suggested "The most popular artists are the most talented ones, and the ones that aren't popular aren't popular because they aren't any good." But that doesn't mean the inverse is true. Poodey's lack of commercial success doesn't imply that she's really talented and that her songs are excellent. At best, one can say "one's success (or lack thereof) is unrelated to one's talent or worth (or lack thereof) as a performer". I posted a song above from a guy who has less than a hundred Twitter followers, but I think the song is really solid.
I was going to say "I have no cause to doubt you", but upon further consideration, I actually do. Because you/Poodey have been recording for eight years, bare minimum. And after eight years, the songs still sound like poorly-produced demos. Anyone with a solid musical background would've said "OK, she's coming in early here" or "she missed this note - she needs to hit this one stronger" or "this song needs a stronger hook".
Then tell me what that market is. Because I can't visualize it. What type of people will this song appeal to? And no - "people who like great music" is both a cop-out and a circular argument.
Tell me about your standard would-be Poodey fan. What do they ordinarily listen to? Where will they run into Poodey's music? What about Poodey specifically will appeal to them?We'll just have to agree to disagree here. Every time I go to type her name, I have to scroll back up to make sure I've got it right. (I've typed "pooday" at least twice, and "poodie" more times than I care to admit.)
She also has the tenacity, if she's been doing this for almost a decade or more. Those are all great and indeed vital qualifications. But they're also insufficient.
You've been holding this up like a mantra, and perhaps that's what keeps you/Poodey going when you're feeling a lack of confidence. But as I keep telling you, just because somebody doesn't like you doesn't mean you're "onto something".
Let me give you a few different examples really quick.
I went to see one band some years back. And the audience was rather hostile. I don't know if they were "dissing" the band, necessarily, but it was clear they weren't really enjoying what the band was playing. And you know where that band was just one year later?
...nowhere. They broke up. Because, honestly, they simply weren't any good.
Similar story. I got a submission from a band some time ago. And it was pretty bad. It started with a cover of "I Think We're Alone Now", which was pretty sloppy. And it actually got worse from there. I wrote back to them, told them I was passing on their submission, and explained why. And then, a year or two later, they were on a nationwide tour, building up a large fanbase.
...proof that the gargoyle really doesn't know what he's talking about? Nope. See, in the time between my rejection and them embarking on their tour, they got better. They buckled down and got much better individually on their instruments, and playing together as a band. They tried writing some tighter and catchier songs. In fact, they came up with one song that was mainly poking fun at ME. And you know what? I loved it. Not because it was about me, but because it was catchy as hell. They actually won a local battle of the bands with that song. And I don't care in the slightest that it was about how much they didn't like me. They were a bit surprised that I liked it as much as they did, but it was at that point that suddenly people started liking them en masse.
I wasn't at that Lady Gaga show, so I can't speak for how it went. But I've seen a few live clips of her in a stripped down setting. And she certainly seems like she can hold her own in that capacity. I'm guessing that she performed just fine. Judging from what I've heard from Poodey, I can't say the same. Maybe the production completely is obscuring her natural talent, but if so, I'm guessing you'd be the first to say so. Instead, you're championing these songs as "monster hits in everything but youtube plays". And frankly, I just don't hear it.
First off, there's the mistaken notion that everybody gobbles up whatever they're spoonfed by the radio or other media outlet of choice. But even a bit of examination reveals this to be ridiculous. If it were true, why do so many TV shows get cancelled every season? Why do so many albums end up in the cut-out bins? It's because they simply didn't catch on. They were offered to the public...and the public wasn't biting. That doesn't make the shows and albums bad, necessarily, but it does mean that people don't simply accept everything they're handed. There are far more flops than successes, and it's not because the networks and labels aren't trying their damnedest.
And here is where you've screwed up and really tipped your hand. You're no longer promoting these songs as excellent pieces of music that you happen to like. You're saying "since Poodey has star power, she just needs the push to make her huge". The songs are apparently just a means to an end now.
I'm now picturing you as a "manager", with or without producer glued onto that. Your mindset seems to be "OK, people go nuts for club-type music with an 'intriguing' female out front, so I found one such female, and all we need to do is record a song, and wait for the money to come rolling in." You're certainly not the first would-be Svengali to go this route. But you seem to be missing the forest for the trees.
I'm no Ke$ha fan (I think I spelled that right), but I understand the appeal of catchy pop songs about partying. And although I can't say as I've ever wanted to hear a Ke$ha song in my life, I can point out where the hooks are, and which lines appeal to folks. In other words, it's not just female-led dance songs there - there's craft involved. Part of it appears to be via professional songwriters and songdoctors (and her contract nightmares are a completely different subject altogether), but it comes down to the fact that there's still basically sound pop music there. I can picture somebody covering a Ke$ha song on piano for fun. I can't even picture what Poodey would sound like unplugged. (And that's not a request.)
I'll reiterate what I said above. If you're actually looking to "make it big", a rethink is in order. "Making it big" is like pushing a rock uphill - it takes a ton of effort and stamina, and even then there's no guarantee. But attempting to "make it big" with a haphazardly produced, poorly-song song with no appreciable hook is like pushing a cube-shaped rock up the same hill. You're making it exceptionally hard on yourselves. Stop wagging the dog on gay messageboards, and do what that band I told you about did. Get better.
Back to my Nutty Squirrels.
Lex
Fashiondiva82
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Sorry it's taken me a while to respond. I know some people live on or for the Internet. I was enjoying the beautiful weather and all the little joys life has to offer. Lex I'm impressed you have the time to basically rewrite the Bible do research and documentation for past replies .well good for you. My apologizes that My response won't be as long for shockingly enough I have a life outside a forum. I will start with I'm not a manger or in charge of the Career of one poodey. I don't care if her song is grammatically correct .. neither is lady Gaga's you and I if we are going to get out our red pens. I think all of you don't get my point so I'll speak slower and I hope I won't have to say it again. Poodey is interesting and different and I know if marketed correctly she would take off. Most things out there right now are awful and they take off . I'm quite positive if she were on the radio or charting on iTunes you all would love her. I just think there's a certain unusual catchy tone to her songs that you can't help but to love. So again you guys can laugh and say whatever it is you wanna say. I march to the beat of my own drum and it's always worked for me. My drum that's backed by a hot beat.
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We get your point; personally, I think the music resembles the moniker. - specifically, the first three letters.
- how slow do you read and type that you assume a response would take a day online?
- how slow do you read and type that you assume a response would take a day online?
G-Lexington
Lex. Icon. Devil.
You left out the part where I'm a virgin living in my parent's basement. That section routinely comes part and parcel with the "unlike you who are glued to the internet, I HAVE a life" comments. But perhaps you're just really polite, and didn't feel like typing that. Or, as you say, you're so busy with your life outside the forum that you didn't have time to type it. Either/or.
Well, I don't know about rewriting the Bible, but it IS called "research". And researching music and the bands that perform it is part and parcel of my gig. I've been doing this for the past two decades or so. It's kind of what I do.
So, as long as I'm sitting here having no life off the internet, I may as well do a little more, yes no?
Poodey seems to be BFFs with Miss Cat Ears, another singer and possible label-mate. MCE seems to have the more...well, let's say "edgy" personality. She likes talking about how much she enjoys rape on Twitter, anyway. And both seem to have a lot of poorly photoshopped pictures online. (See photo on left below.) There's a few of MCE that appear to be standard snapshots that look sort of everyday, but that resemble the other photos not a whit. (See photo on right below.)
Hm. Surely there's some mistake somewhere, as Poodey IS all over the radio. "Congrats to Poodey for "Sunlight" hitting #1 on the Hot 100!" claims her label-mate Miss Cat Ears a few years back. So certainly she must have been all over the radio. Strange that she has less than fifty Twitter followers for all that.
...oh, wait, maybe not. This is from her bio.
...She has sold over 10 million records worldwide according to Whorific Entertainment Group. The FRIAA ranks her as the fourth best-selling female artist in fake artist music history, having sold over 6 million albums in the U.S.
So she pretend-sold six million albums in America, and ten million worldwide. I guess that explains that.
Again, this weird belief that because two things share a similar trait, they should follow the same path. Peyton Manning is a man, and he's was the winning quarterback in the Super Bowl. Well, I'M a man, so certainly, I should be able to be the winning quarterback in the Super Bowl, too! Yes, pop songs performed by "interesting personalities" become hits. But certainly not ALL pop songs performed by "interesting personalities" become hits. I've got plenty of proof of that.
I guess Poodey is "different", but I'd say she's interesting the same way that drunk guy at the back of the bus is interesting. It's not pleasant to listen to, and I'm looking to move on the second I can.
Had you said "I" instead of "you", there'd be nothing to argue. We all like what we like, after all. But again, reading your posts, I'm not getting any sense of "this is music I enjoy listening to". It's "this is music everybody should be listening to." In other words...
...I don't believe this. In fact, I'll go a step further. I'm fairly confident that there is exactly one human being involved here.
Poodey is following several accounts on Twitter. Several of them are beat producers, or BBPs (beats by the pound). I'm going to make a leap and say that somebody has gotten some beats, laid down some vocals over them, and released them intermittently under the names Poodey and Miss Cat Ears. Furthermore, there are pro-Poodey posts by four different accounts here on JUB. And all sound suspiciously alike. Not just in their praise of this musical non-icon, but in their phrasing and whatnot. And despite these two artists being on Twitter for the last eight years, none of their tweets has generated so much as a "like" from any follower other than each other. (Even the smallest local band I've met gets a couple of "likes" when they release a new song.) Given that, I'd say I've got enough to convict.
You, sir, are Poodey. And Miss Cat Ears. And poodeyfan, and mrpokerface123, and BrianCB, and fashiondiva82. And you've been recording, and promoting and tweeting about said recordings for almost a decade.
Reason behind all of this? I can think of two potential ones.
One, it's a fun fantasy. You can play pop princess with "leaked singles" and teased album releases and Hot 100 singles. And hey, more power to you. Fantasizing about musical stardom is pretty damn common. But I don't understand why you're dragging US into this. Because frankly, I don't think anybody is interested in getting into a fake musical performer unless there's some actual good music at the core. (See also: Gorillaz, or even the Nutty Squirrels above.) If you want us to take part in your elaborate fantasies, you're going to have to at least make them enjoyable for us, as well. And before you insist that it IS enjoyable, I'll once more point to the lack of response to every release over the past eight years. If people are enjoying it, they're being extremely quiet about it.
Or perhaps you're just trolling. Stranger things have happened than for somebody to create a fake musical persona (or two), and promote it on messageboards just to get a response. But if so, I'd say that having two musical personas (complete with recorded music and photoshopped pictures) and four accounts on JUB belies your suggestion that you have much of a life off of the internet.
Hope you enjoy the good weather, sir.
Lex
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I'm not a sir ....I'm a girl a real girl duh ��.. will reply later ..
G-Lexington
Lex. Icon. Devil.
An honest mistake, on a site named Just Us Boys. My apologies if there was any offense. And I look forward to your reply, ma'am.
Lex
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I have a lot of gay friends and family... so basically mine as well be a gay man.
Lex,
I am not involved with Poodey's career-- or lack thereof. Regarding multiple identities, I do think I registered as PoodeyFan over a decade ago. With that in mind, you must admit there has been remarkable improvement since the songs posted before 2010 and "As Deep As Me."
As presented right this very second, I think there is much merit to your points. I do appreciate your high level of intellect and the amount of thoughtfulness you put into your responses. It shows that your opinions are well informed and intended to provide useful feedback.
I think pop music for many is a fantasy, and whether or not this is a (current) mainstream fantasy, there is certainly a lot of imagination. Some of the songs take on a South Park kind of humor, while others are hysterically serious. With songs like "Closer" from The Chainsmokers breaking records, it is obvious that quality is not at the forefront of all music. Obviously, that has been argued to death here, and I do agree that just because it is bad and something else bad made it does not mean this bad thing will make it.
First, we will need the million dollar business backers behind Poodey, the revamped vocals, the remastered productions, and a unified image. Even then, as with the well-funded Paris Hilton, there are no guarantees for success even with the go-to producer Paris used (Dr. Luke, who obviously has since lost his "go to" status).
I do find Poodey far more entertaining than, say, Rebecca Black, but then again Rebecca never postured that she was a gay icon. And her success was more of a well-known mockery than even a fifteen minutes of fame. However, it was interesting to see her YouTube views for "Friday" surpass "Born This Way" for a while there.
Personally, I like that you offer deep, analytical thought to an idea posted on a forum. Without severe critique, how can Poodey survive a severe industry? If she wants to take this beyond a fantasy world with Miss Cat Ears, I think you have offered her harsh but invaluable advice. It is amazing what can be done with proper guidance, editing, and perseverance.
I am not involved with Poodey's career-- or lack thereof. Regarding multiple identities, I do think I registered as PoodeyFan over a decade ago. With that in mind, you must admit there has been remarkable improvement since the songs posted before 2010 and "As Deep As Me."
As presented right this very second, I think there is much merit to your points. I do appreciate your high level of intellect and the amount of thoughtfulness you put into your responses. It shows that your opinions are well informed and intended to provide useful feedback.
I think pop music for many is a fantasy, and whether or not this is a (current) mainstream fantasy, there is certainly a lot of imagination. Some of the songs take on a South Park kind of humor, while others are hysterically serious. With songs like "Closer" from The Chainsmokers breaking records, it is obvious that quality is not at the forefront of all music. Obviously, that has been argued to death here, and I do agree that just because it is bad and something else bad made it does not mean this bad thing will make it.
First, we will need the million dollar business backers behind Poodey, the revamped vocals, the remastered productions, and a unified image. Even then, as with the well-funded Paris Hilton, there are no guarantees for success even with the go-to producer Paris used (Dr. Luke, who obviously has since lost his "go to" status).
I do find Poodey far more entertaining than, say, Rebecca Black, but then again Rebecca never postured that she was a gay icon. And her success was more of a well-known mockery than even a fifteen minutes of fame. However, it was interesting to see her YouTube views for "Friday" surpass "Born This Way" for a while there.
Personally, I like that you offer deep, analytical thought to an idea posted on a forum. Without severe critique, how can Poodey survive a severe industry? If she wants to take this beyond a fantasy world with Miss Cat Ears, I think you have offered her harsh but invaluable advice. It is amazing what can be done with proper guidance, editing, and perseverance.
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www.poodeymusic.webs.com
There is no 'Poodey'. Just someone in a basement with an autotune machine and some banal background house tracks. Since 2005.
And now she can also manipulate photos to create some kind of physical persona for the 'artist'
We all get the joke. But it is pretty much a one liner.
There is no 'Poodey'. Just someone in a basement with an autotune machine and some banal background house tracks. Since 2005.
And now she can also manipulate photos to create some kind of physical persona for the 'artist'
We all get the joke. But it is pretty much a one liner.
The website looks like it has not been updated since 2009. A lot can happen in eight years...
Some singers start with a hair brush and a queen size bed. Some start with downloaded backing instrumentals and poor photoshop skills. That doesn't mean it is the end destination.
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Trust me. It is the end. What might have been a cute joke when some kid was 17 only becomes sad and desperate 10 years later.
And before I let this go, I will add one more thing. We saw through the bullshit immediately.
There is no there, there.
One of the things that can carry even some of the most maladroit lyricists and excruciatingly awful musicians is personality and showmanship.
This is even true with the sometimes relatively banal and niche 'star' scene in the Club universe.
And that is where 'Poodey' fails so incredibly miserably as to make any rational person realize that this is all some cynical and frankly tasteless joke.
Because this is a fake 'artist', there is no possible point of contact with the person behind the auto-tuned vocals. There is no empathy with the artist...there is none of the eccentric charm and excitement of Lady Gaga or any other artist mentioned here.
It is all bogus.
There is nothing that would lead to development of an impassioned fan base for this fake artist because this fake artist doesn't give a shit about actual fans.
There is never going to be a live performance or appearance. There is nothing to endear 'Poodey' or Miss cat ears to the people who tolerate this electronic caterwauling...in short there is no reward.
There aren't going to be million dollar investors. Even a Go Fund Me wouldn't generate a bucket of warm spit.
So if someone is still labouring under the delusion that there is capital in this joke....it is time to put it aside and just get the fuck over it.
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One more thing.
You know that this could have been a lot of fun, don't you?
Handled correctly, with a real sense of tongue in cheek humour and a light touch....Poodey could have been something.
Instead, it seems to be a grim fantasy supported by a extremely dull and over-serious biography and really unpleasant and alienating visuals.
It isn't just the music that is awful...it is the entire execution.
And maybe, it the thing that annoys me the most.....throwing this up in front of us on JUB as though we somehow owe this our attention or our support. As though the homos should somehow automatically be a receptive audience.
You know that this could have been a lot of fun, don't you?
Handled correctly, with a real sense of tongue in cheek humour and a light touch....Poodey could have been something.
Instead, it seems to be a grim fantasy supported by a extremely dull and over-serious biography and really unpleasant and alienating visuals.
It isn't just the music that is awful...it is the entire execution.
And maybe, it the thing that annoys me the most.....throwing this up in front of us on JUB as though we somehow owe this our attention or our support. As though the homos should somehow automatically be a receptive audience.
G-Lexington
Lex. Icon. Devil.
A few more points that have come to mind since the last post.
Two of the positive traits brought up by the OP in regards to this artist are drive and perseverance. Which ARE present, to some extent. It's been a decade, and more songs keep popping up. But there's more to perseverance than "doing the first step again and again".
I didn't listen to the pre-2010 music. But I'll say with some degree of confidence that there hasn't been remarkable improvement since then. Because the problem areas are both rather numerous and extremely rudimentary. "One should sing on key and on the beat" and "a song needs a hook" aren't things a musician should be learning in their second decade of recording music. If Poodey hasn't figured these things out now, I'd say either she's incapable of learning those lessons, or (far more likely) she simply isn't interested in learning those lessons.
A friend of mine has a daughter around the age of ten or so. She was watching the Disney Channel, and saw that they were coming to Denver to do a talent search sort of thing. "Be the Next Disney Channel Star!" That night, this girl told her father that she REALLY wanted to go to the auditions, so she could be the next Disney Channel star.
"What do you have to do?" my friend asked.
"You have to audition. A two-minute song or dance or scene."
"OK. And what are you going to do?"
"Oh, I don't care. I can dance or whatever."
"...you're going to audition by just...'dancing or whatever'?"
"Yeah? So?"
"Do you think that's what they're looking for? A girl to come out and just 'dance or whatever'?"
"DAD!"
"Look. I'll tell you what. I'll take you to the audition, and stand in line with you, and everything. But only if you come up with a solid audition piece, and practice it until it's perfect."
"Ugh - forget it."
And this is sort of the vibe I'm getting from Poodey. She doesn't want to be a musician. She may not even want to be a star. She wants to have the FAME of a star, sure, but without all that, y'know, work. Poodey's music seems to be the equivalent of my friend's daughter's "dancing or whatever" - a halfhearted attempt, hoping somehow somebody will see the whatever-it-is-we're-supposed-to-see that gets people pulling out their checkbooks and the radio stations come a-calling. And when they don't, well, gee, aren't they just the killjoys.
If you* actually are serious about Poodey becoming a star, I'd say there are a bunch of steps that can and should be taken.
* Open mic night. At least once a week. If you can't play guitar or keyboards, learn. Write a few songs you can perform as guitar/key and vocal only, and get out there and play them in front of actual human beings. You start getting pretty good at writing good songs when you've got real-time reactions to what you're performing.
* Cover versions. I think it was on Twitter where Poodey flippantly mentioned contemplating covering a song. Do it. Not that song, necessarily, but any of them. Again, adapt them for keyboards or guitar and vocals. Do several of them. Start learning how songs "work", how songs build, how choruses work, all of that.
* Singing lessons. That's not a dig, but legitimate actual advice. Get better at carrying a tune.
* Rethink the entire persona. The all-over-the-place tweets and pictures indicate something of a "throw everything against the wall to see what sticks". And, not surprisingly, nothing is. Pick an image and stick with it for the time being. No use being a Madonna-like chameleon yet - you can't take people anywhere until they're on the bus.
* Rethink the entire social media approach. Posting songs to soundcloud or the equivalent, tweeting the link, and then posting the link is perhaps a necessary step but insufficient. How are would-be fans supposed to contact you? How can they engage with you? You can't ask for their worship if you can't offer them anything to engage with.
If Poodey is as driven and tenacious as you claim, then you know what the next steps are. But maybe you'd rather stick with the half-assed lulz of first-take recordings and twitter chatter. In which case, enjoy it - but leave all of us out of your lol-so-bored little hobby, K?
Lex
* - yes. You. I stand by my last post in that regard.
Two of the positive traits brought up by the OP in regards to this artist are drive and perseverance. Which ARE present, to some extent. It's been a decade, and more songs keep popping up. But there's more to perseverance than "doing the first step again and again".
I didn't listen to the pre-2010 music. But I'll say with some degree of confidence that there hasn't been remarkable improvement since then. Because the problem areas are both rather numerous and extremely rudimentary. "One should sing on key and on the beat" and "a song needs a hook" aren't things a musician should be learning in their second decade of recording music. If Poodey hasn't figured these things out now, I'd say either she's incapable of learning those lessons, or (far more likely) she simply isn't interested in learning those lessons.
A friend of mine has a daughter around the age of ten or so. She was watching the Disney Channel, and saw that they were coming to Denver to do a talent search sort of thing. "Be the Next Disney Channel Star!" That night, this girl told her father that she REALLY wanted to go to the auditions, so she could be the next Disney Channel star.
"What do you have to do?" my friend asked.
"You have to audition. A two-minute song or dance or scene."
"OK. And what are you going to do?"
"Oh, I don't care. I can dance or whatever."
"...you're going to audition by just...'dancing or whatever'?"
"Yeah? So?"
"Do you think that's what they're looking for? A girl to come out and just 'dance or whatever'?"
"DAD!"
"Look. I'll tell you what. I'll take you to the audition, and stand in line with you, and everything. But only if you come up with a solid audition piece, and practice it until it's perfect."
"Ugh - forget it."
And this is sort of the vibe I'm getting from Poodey. She doesn't want to be a musician. She may not even want to be a star. She wants to have the FAME of a star, sure, but without all that, y'know, work. Poodey's music seems to be the equivalent of my friend's daughter's "dancing or whatever" - a halfhearted attempt, hoping somehow somebody will see the whatever-it-is-we're-supposed-to-see that gets people pulling out their checkbooks and the radio stations come a-calling. And when they don't, well, gee, aren't they just the killjoys.
If you* actually are serious about Poodey becoming a star, I'd say there are a bunch of steps that can and should be taken.
* Open mic night. At least once a week. If you can't play guitar or keyboards, learn. Write a few songs you can perform as guitar/key and vocal only, and get out there and play them in front of actual human beings. You start getting pretty good at writing good songs when you've got real-time reactions to what you're performing.
* Cover versions. I think it was on Twitter where Poodey flippantly mentioned contemplating covering a song. Do it. Not that song, necessarily, but any of them. Again, adapt them for keyboards or guitar and vocals. Do several of them. Start learning how songs "work", how songs build, how choruses work, all of that.
* Singing lessons. That's not a dig, but legitimate actual advice. Get better at carrying a tune.
* Rethink the entire persona. The all-over-the-place tweets and pictures indicate something of a "throw everything against the wall to see what sticks". And, not surprisingly, nothing is. Pick an image and stick with it for the time being. No use being a Madonna-like chameleon yet - you can't take people anywhere until they're on the bus.
* Rethink the entire social media approach. Posting songs to soundcloud or the equivalent, tweeting the link, and then posting the link is perhaps a necessary step but insufficient. How are would-be fans supposed to contact you? How can they engage with you? You can't ask for their worship if you can't offer them anything to engage with.
If Poodey is as driven and tenacious as you claim, then you know what the next steps are. But maybe you'd rather stick with the half-assed lulz of first-take recordings and twitter chatter. In which case, enjoy it - but leave all of us out of your lol-so-bored little hobby, K?
Lex
* - yes. You. I stand by my last post in that regard.
Alright, Lex, who is the more talented singer? Poodey or featured artist Buxom Cherry.
Check out the songs below:
Sunlight - http://www.hulkshare.com/poodeymusic/poodey-sunlight-1
Betcha- http://www.hulkshare.com/poodeymusic/betcha-poodey
Check out the songs below:
Sunlight - http://www.hulkshare.com/poodeymusic/poodey-sunlight-1
Betcha- http://www.hulkshare.com/poodeymusic/betcha-poodey
G-Lexington
Lex. Icon. Devil.
it's surprising how often it happens. I'll tell a would-be artist "your songs are unpleasant to listen to", and the response nearly always is "ok, now listen to these OTHER songs I recorded".
Lex
Lex
G-Lexington
Lex. Icon. Devil.
And what exactly is the answer you're looking for with that question? If I suggest that Buxom is the stronger singer, will you drop your allegiance to Poodey and start promoting her work instead? Or will we get the big reveal that - gasp! - Poodey and Buxom are actually THE SAME PERSON?! I just don't understand the point of the question.
I stand by my posts.
Lex
I stand by my posts.
Lex
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