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The New Lady Gaga: Poodey's "As Deep As Me"

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Sweetie how are old are you 13? ....

Members have to be at least 18 to join.

If you check his profile page, you'll see that he's 19.


Oh, I couldn't help noticing in a couple of pics of Miss Cat Ears that she has what appears to be a trach scar.

just curious what her story was.
 
Sweetie how are old are you 13? Ok I know you must think you're so smart with words and things you just learned in school. Please put down your Lisa frank binder listen closely Why are you referencing pseudoscience? Freud is as relevant as Poodey. Now that that's out maybe you should be too no one believes you're bi .. single yes .. bi.. no also this isn't my music I'm not poodey or omair mizra .. Okies you're so uptight.. loosen up and then you'll be in a happy place . Oh btw I'm a straight girl im not lying in bed looking at gay porn .. not to say I haven't or won't but my gay friends sent me a link and I just decided to give my opinion ok. So back to your studies it's a school night after all.

Goodness, you're hurting my delicate little self-esteem, despite the fact that I know rather than "think [I'm] smart with words and things" (you were the first to say it, and I'm gettin' paid for those very same smarts, actually). Anyway, the Lisa Frank binder has fallen about as far as my jaw did when I read your revelations. I'll get back to unnecessarily defending myself in a mo' but I'll drop it for a bit too.

Freud's out, yes. I'll wholeheartedly agree with you there. I'll go so far to humor you by acknowledging that Freud, in and of himself, is quite as relavant as Poodey --that is to say he is not. However, you have clearly demonstrated a superficial understanding of psychoanalysis beyond anything but Freudian theory, and the field has expanded substantially since he offed himself. Kohut and Wolf are something else completely. The theory whose reading I think would behoove you builds off philosopher and linguist Jacques Lacan's contributions to the field of psychoanalysis. The American Psychological Association (read: psychology as a science) definitely accepts Lacanian theories more readily than all that lovely subjective oedipal crap and everything else. Kohut and Wolf approach personality analysis in a more psychological manner, so rest assured that there's even more science to back up what I think is wrong with you --if you actually get around to reading it.

Back to me, I also agree that I'm uptight. I'm mostly happy, too. I wouldn't feel insulted to be completely gay but I am attracted to females in the same way that I am attracted to males, it just took me a longer amount of time to acknowledge the latter as opposed to the former group of people. I also don't find it offensive that I'm single, especially considering that a good portion of my generation and the Millennials have embraced a post-relationship approach to sexuality and all that good stuff. At the moment I've got a ton of baggage to deal with on my own before trying to learn to compromise and stuff with someone else, hence reading psychoanalysts and psychologists. I approach learning in a very selfish way.

I genuinely think you'd benefit from browsing Treating the Self. The immaturity of your personal attacks actually mirrors people in the prime of adolescence --as you accuse me of being-- rather than a person of what I assume is your own advanced age. Perhaps reading even the heretics like Freud will reveal why you appear to have regressed to (or, as is more likely, never moved beyond) such an undeveloped state of mind. "Okies," while I'm still on the subject I should mention that psychoanalysts are big about moving beyond the self-image issues a person must have if they edit their photos as heavily as Poodey/MCE and the rest of that motley crew. I can get you some better psychological rather than psychoanalytic references if it seems better to work on the obvious DID or denial or whatever else plagues you and your legion of selves.

I hope you enjoy a lovely Friday! Once again, good luck!
 
You're obviously taking psychology classes and spewing it to us . Even the ones who are hacks and irrelevant theories ok little man. Anyways again your psychoanalysis of me isn't even on point not even close. So I'm uninterested in the sexuality spectrum as well because you think by reading and restating what your professors say is going to make my head spin and I'll be impressed. Sadly you fall short as usual. And while your friends might be impressed or forum members I for one am yawning and laughing. So anyways again I am not read carefully little man I am not involved with poodey or cat ears one more time I'm not involved with poodey . I don't photo shop my face nor is that my thing. So hopefully you understand now.
 
You're obviously taking psychology classes and spewing it to us . Even the ones who are hacks and irrelevant theories ok little man. Anyways again your psychoanalysis of me isn't even on point not even close. So I'm uninterested in the sexuality spectrum as well because you think by reading and restating what your professors say is going to make my head spin and I'll be impressed. Sadly you fall short as usual. And while your friends might be impressed or forum members I for one am yawning and laughing. So anyways again I am not read carefully little man I am not involved with poodey or cat ears one more time I'm not involved with poodey . I don't photo shop my face nor is that my thing. So hopefully you understand now.

Oh oh...someone has gotten under the lady's skin. But the response doesn't sound to me like someone's laughing. Someone sounds a mite overly defensive and sensitive.

I suspect that it is time that this thread is moved to another board like 'Entertainment' if it is just going to be you posting music and calling people names.

Obviously you are invested enough in the abstract creature 'Poodey' to have bothered to actually create an account in order to participate in the thread. Because otherwise...why did you even bother? Why would you care?
 
Uh oh. How many more Gaga's the world can take? (a rhetorical question) It seems, every new pop singer is some kind of a weird Gaga nowadays. ho hU
 
Uh oh. How many more Gaga's the world can take? (a rhetorical question) It seems, every new pop singer is some kind of a weird Gaga nowadays. ho hU

Poodey lists Lady Gaga as a reference, and I am assuming their fanbases overlap. However, I do not think that Poodey is trying to be Gaga. She is definitely doing something completely unique. And, to be frank, nothing as horrendous as that Joanne drivel.
 
Uh oh. How many more Gaga's the world can take? (a rhetorical question) It seems, every new pop singer is some kind of a weird Gaga nowadays. ho hU

The difference that seems to be eluding Poodey's biggest 'fans' here is that some disembodied vocal tracks can't be Gaga...or anyone for that matter.

Gaga was a performer. It was her live presence that connected her fans to her work and to one another.

But I think the OP and Diva know this and are just trying to see how hard they can yank the chain.
 
The only connection between Poodey and Lady Gaga was via the OP, who procliamed her "The New Lady Gaga" in the thread title. There was also the story told of seeing Lady Gaga perform in her pre-fame days in front of a bunch of vindictive homos, and the suggestion that Poodey is posed to make the same leap from gay ridicule to gay worship. I''m pretty sure that no other JUBber would have made any sort of connection between the two otherwise.

Which points out another difference between the two. Lady Gaga continually put herself out there in front of live audiences. Poodey on the other hand doesn't exist outside of a bedroom and a tiny corner of the internet.

Lex
 
Lex, there is no denying that "As Deep As Me" has been critically panned by JustUsBoys.

Poodey's performance on the song has been described as “god-fucking awful,” “screams on the highway,” “ear-bleeding nonsense,” “absolute bullshit,” “caterwauling into a microphone,” “singing through a stuffed up nose," etc.

Now, as I brave listening to "Perfect Illusion" and "Million Reasons" from Gaga, I am wondering if the same descriptions apply to those songs.
 
Lex, there is no denying that "As Deep As Me" has been critically panned by JustUsBoys.

Poodey's performance on the song has been described as “god-fucking awful,” “screams on the highway,” “ear-bleeding nonsense,” “absolute bullshit,” “caterwauling into a microphone,” “singing through a stuffed up nose," etc.

Now, as I brave listening to "Perfect Illusion" and "Million Reasons" from Gaga, I am wondering if the same descriptions apply to those songs.

I can understand what the fuck Gaga is saying, so no. You're not going to get anybody to weasel up and declare Poodey to be better than they actually are.

I'm reminded of those faux autobiographies that Oprah (and many others) got conned into believing, though. The difference is those scoundrels actually put effort into their artistic work while pretending to be other people.
 
I can understand what the fuck Gaga is saying, so no. You're not going to get anybody to weasel up and declare Poodey to be better than they actually are.

I'm reminded of those faux autobiographies that Oprah (and many others) got conned into believing, though. The difference is those scoundrels actually put effort into their artistic work while pretending to be other people.

The Gaga songs I mentioned are horrible. Just because her first few albums were spectacular and she has millions to back up her shitty work, she get a pass from you? Gaga is the ultimate example of a talentless hack with brilliant business sense and a sociopathic drive to deceive.

There is not necessarily more effort with Gaga; rather, there are more people involved. I fail to see the effort at all, really. However, in her early days I did see the effort and will accept your point prior to 2011 with her.
 
We've been through this counter-logic once before.

* People hate these songs by Poodey.
* There exist people who hate these other songs by Lady Gaga.
* Ergo, Poodey is somehow equivalent to Lady Gaga.

To use a different example, presumably nobody likes to eat horse crap. But there exist people who don't like to eat chocolate ice cream...ergo, horse crap is equivalent to chocolate ice cream. No. That's not how logic works. :)

What matters isn't how many people say it's no good. A successful artist might get haters, but a successful artist doesn't NEED haters. A successful artist needs fans. And to put it bluntly, Poodey has none.

Counter example. I got a submission from a new local group. All young guys who apparently have never been in a band before. They've been together for about six months, and so far, they've played two live shows (in the first opening slot of a local show). I have no idea how many "haters" they have. Presumably a few people heard them and didn't like what they heard. But they've got about a hundred fans on Facebook, and just shy of that many followers on Twitter. When they post or tweet, each one gets anywhere from four to ten likes, and an occasional response.

Will they be as big as Lady Gaga? I can say with almost certainty that they will not. But then again, that's not how they're going about it. They're not announcing themselves as the Next Big Thing. On Facebook, they do have a RIYL list. (Recommended If You Like, for those not in the know.) And they did a pretty good job at picking which bands to list. They don't sound precisely like those bands, mind you, but I can picture some fans of Twenty-One Pilots finding them intriguing, so that was a good one to list.
My guess is that they'll continue writing and recording some pretty good songs, and continue to grow their fanbase.

And Poodey? What will she do? If past history is any indication, she'll buy another beat, lay down some more half-assed vocals, tweet about it a couple of times, and then post on a few random messageboards about it. Which is totally her right, of course, but then she shouldn't be surprised that after a decade, she still doesn't have as many fans as this not-a-half-year-old band.

Lex
 
...oh, and I gave a listen to "Perfect Illusion", which I hadn't heard before. Not really a fan. The way she sings the title phrase sounds a bit off, and it sounds like she's trying to push a rather mediocre pop song into anthem territory by sheer energy and will.

That said, I still understand other people liking it. The hook may be a bit more nagging than insistent, but I can picture people getting into it. I can see people who had their boyfriends break up with them finding solace in this mildly-angry tune. In other words, I understand who might be fans of this song, even though I myself am not. The "no" still holds, but the "I really can't think of any" does not.

Lex
 
I find the subject matter of "As Deep As Me" more relatable to the masses than "Perfect Illusion" or even "Million Reasons."

"As Deep As Me" speaks to a love-hate relationship with a boyfriend that has confused the singer and alienated her friends. What teenager cannot relate? What adult woman does not remember that boy who gave her mixed signals? What guy is not guilty of playing with a woman's heart to where she does not know if it's love or not?

As for "Perfect Illusion," you are correct that it is not anthemic despite its desperate efforts. We all actually cannot relate to someone being a love fraud and using our celebrity status to gain upward mobility. We may have been misled in love, but this is not as straightforward as "You Oughta Know." The singing is horrendous, and while the hook has potential, the vocal execution is offensive and the production not suited to the singer's lack of singing ability.

"Million Reasons" is basically right up there with Poodey. Gaga singing in her theatrical dance-pop voice over a proper country ballad? No, no, no! I think this song with the correct singer (Carrie Underwood, for example) and a producer more adept with country music has potential. Lyrically it is good, but not for Gaga and not for pop. The lyrical content of betrayal and having every reason to leave a relationship but being willing to stick around (mix in Lord and prayer) is definitely a good country story.

My point is that someone, somewhere did not say "PASS" on these songs that are utter garbage even by Poodey standards. Gaga's status, personal wealth, established legions of fans, etc. allowed something wretched to be considered "okay" by her hardcore fans simply by branding and consumer loyalty. Thus, there are many factors that go into a song's success aside from the song's quality itself. Yes, Gaga has put herself out there and is not in some small corner of the internet. BUT...a good look at her Super Bowl performance setlist shows where middle America understood her, and that was prior to 2011.

Throw money on that band you referenced, or Poodey, or your dog for that matter...and you will generate a buzz at the very least. It's a factory.
 
I'm starting to notice your knack for selective reading/listening. That at least is the best explanation for transforming my "well, not really a fan for these reasons, but I can see how other people would like it" into "the song is utter garbage". :) Two points to make in regards to that.

First off, to nick a phrase, Lady Gaga has earned the right to fail. After a certain number of hit singles and albums, record companies tend to be a bit more agreeable about letting artists make more decisions. And that might be anything from recording an album of duets with a guy pushing 90, to releasing a less-than-stellar song as a single.

And secondly, I wouldn't even go so far as to say she "failed". I'd say the song is second-tier, certainly. In "Bad Romance", she got the whole world singing along to a bunch of nonsense syllables. Here, she's pushing to get the song's hook to take hold. But it's still agreeable. It unspools just fine. And, as I said, I think it's certainly relate-able. I certainly didn't hear it as "using celebrity status to gain upper mobility". It just struck me as "you faked your 'love' for me extremely well". And I think everybody can relate to that without too much difficulty. Even if I had passed on this song, I would've "done research" after hearing it to see what else this artist recorded. Not because "it's Lady Gaga", but because there's definite craft there. Good voice, good production, good use of hooks (even if they could've been stronger). My mindset would've been "this song sounds like a good-enough album track - let's see if there's a 'hit' in there, too."

And back to Poodey.

You seem pretty insistent that "As Deep As Me" speaks to the masses at a level they can relate to. And my biggest problem with that statement is that, even if the lyrics DO do that, they're presented in such a poor fashion that I doubt anybody will take the effort to try to decipher them. It'd be like writing a poem on a piece of old scratch paper with your non-dominant hand, using a pen almost out of ink. Even if the words ARE worth reading, if it takes a heavy effort to make any of them out, who is going to bother?

It's been about 24 hours since I heard the Lady Gaga song. And I can sort of still remember how it goes. No, it might not be something I'd put on of my own volition, but if it popped up somewhere while I was shopping (say), I'd be fine with that. I listened to the Poodey track at least three times, and I can't recall a single line or hook from it. The only impression I have of it was "this was not pleasant to listen to". And unless you're going the Sonic Youth route (you're not), that is not an impression you want to leave. Lady Gaga's song was kind of forgettable, but Poodey's makes me rather happy that I didn't hold on to anything.

If I get anything from the entire Poodey...thing, it's not a desire to communicate. An artist doesn't swamp their vocals with so many production tricks to render them indecipherable if they first and foremost have something to say. An artist doesn't write a bio "bragging" (?) about how many fake records they sold if they're hoping to speak directly to people. What I mainly get from it all is a simple desire for fame. To wit, fame is cool, making pop records is one way to achieve fame, so here are some pop songs.

And again, I'm not against that mindset - either as fantasy or as reality. But if it's going to be a fantasy, it should remain so - there's no reason to post the non-songs on messageboards and expect anybody to react in any way except negatively. And if it's going to be reality, it should involve steps to actually MAKE it a reality. So far, after a decade of work, I've seen extremely rudimentary recording skills, a confusing attempt at online presence, and a fair chunk of sour grapes. If you want to go find a millionaire to help make Poodey the next Angelyne, go nuts. But I don't even see that happening, because Angelyne had at least three things that Poodey don't have, and only two of them were on her chest.

Throw money on that band you referenced, or Poodey, or your dog for that matter...and you will generate a buzz at the very least. It's a factory.

At the very base of this, you're correct. Throw enough money at an artist, and you will, at least, generate some buzz. The thing is - record labels don't consider "buzz" a proper return on their investment. They're not a factory - they're a business. They're not pro-art or anti-art. They'll release anything from symphonies to simplistic novelty songs, but all are done with the hope that there's a profit at the end. Which is why, in current form, no label would bother with Poodey. In a decade of "trying", she has yet to produce anything that sounds like anything above an uninvolving bedroom demo, and she has yet garner any fanbase at all. That makes even the greenest of local bands I deal with a better bet than her.

Lex
 
Well for one thing, she is actually real.
 
Is that what you're aiming for? When you're watching the above video, are you tapping the screen and saying "yes, that's what I'd like to do"? And is your finger tapoing the actual video or just the playcount?

I went to a gig last night. It was a small group of musicians who play covers. But they have guest musicians join them on stage as the set goes on. We heard a violinist play during a U2 song, and a guitarist shred over top an 80s pop hit. But I was there to see one performer in particular.

I've known Martin all my life. He's been pretty straitlaced - married, kid, middle management. He's pushing fifty. And I'd never really heard him sing. He had a soft and decent voice, but I doubt anybody would've listed his singing voice as one of his best atrributes. But for Christmas last December, he asked his wife for a surprising gift - singing lessons. Because apparently, he'd always wanted to sing.

So, near the end of the gig, Martin got on stage and sang a song. He chose a somewhat odd mashup of an alt-pop hit and a classic hip-hop number. I thought it worked well musically if not so great lyrically - the wistfulness of the first part didn't really mesh with the gritty rhymes of the second. And his performance wasn't perfect. It started a bit thin, and he bobbled one of the lines of the hip-hop portion. But his voice was surprisingly strong and nuanced. I thought he did it pretty well overall.

At the end of his number, he got a moderate round of applause. At the bar after the gig, he exchanged compliments with some of the other musicians. I doubt he was anybody's favorite part of the gig, but I think he held his own. Then he drove home to go to bed, becuase he's got a middle management job to get to the next morning.

Martin's dreams, such as they are, are pretty modest. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that he fantasizes about singing at Red Rocks or sonething. But he's aware that's not going to happen. He may do a couple of open mic nights, or another gig like the one last night. He posted a picture of him on stage last night on his Facebook page, but he didn't caption it "Did we just witness the new Ed Sheeran?" He didn't exaggerate the response he got, or label those who didn't come out "haters". He just said, "I got to sing on stage last night!"

Let's say I needed a vocalist for a song. And for whatever reason, my only options were Poodey and Martin. I'd take Martin every time. Not hecause he's my friend, but because even with his very modest aspirations, he's done more for his "music career" in the last six months than Poodey has for hers in the past six years.

Lex
 
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