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I love Gaga for her undeniable vocal talent and acting (American horror Story). That said, I do not like the song you posted or that you compared this absolute bullshit to Gaga.
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The New Lady Gaga: Poodey's "As Deep As Me"
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theworldwithout
You grok?
Seems more Bjork-ish than Gaga. Just my opinion.
Interesting observation. Her music does have an eclectic feel to it. Her imaging can be anything from oddly eccentric to straightforwardly sexy:
I think with enough exposure some minds on here would change. When Gaga came out, the comments were as equally unkind. Nothing like a little mainstream love to warm the hearts of the masses.
theworldwithout
You grok?
^ I didn't really mean that as much of a compliment since to me Bjork sounds like she's just caterwauling into a microphone.
G-Lexington
Lex. Icon. Devil.
My job used to be passing judgment on songs submitted to me, so let's just pretend Poodey sent me this one. This would be my response.
"Thank you for submitting your track to me! I gave it a listen, and here are my initial impressions.
"The backing music is serviceable, if not truly memorable. It would be functional for generic dance play, although I doubt any club patron would be humming this song the following day. A stronger hook - musical or vocal - would probably be beneficial.
"The vocal is the definite tough sell. Despite being Autotuned to the point of roboticism, it stll manages to be exceptionally pitchy. In fact, the vocal seems to be operate in complete obliviousness to the backing track. Not only does the vocal miss notes, but the lyrics fall on, in front of, or behind the beat seemingly at random. Mind you, I don't insist on technical perfection. Some of the greatest musicians of all time have expanded what can be done with melody and phrasing. But that's not the sense I get here. It sounds accidental - like someone inadvertently put a vocal take onto the wrong backing track. The vocal completely undermines the utilitarian club music behind it, making it difficult to 'slip into the groove'.
"For all I know, this was precisely what you were going for. Attempting to force some radical rethink on what club music can and should be. But even if that were the case, I don't feel the experiment was very successful. I'm left with a track that's not even pleasantly unpleasant to listen to. There may be a market for would-be avant-garde gay-anti-club music, but honestly, I can't picture the market being very large, and I for one wouldn't know how to begin finding and/or reaching said market with this song. It's all but guaranteed to leave a dance floor emptier than when it began, and to cause more radios and websites to be shut off than joined.
"Pass."
Lex
"Thank you for submitting your track to me! I gave it a listen, and here are my initial impressions.
"The backing music is serviceable, if not truly memorable. It would be functional for generic dance play, although I doubt any club patron would be humming this song the following day. A stronger hook - musical or vocal - would probably be beneficial.
"The vocal is the definite tough sell. Despite being Autotuned to the point of roboticism, it stll manages to be exceptionally pitchy. In fact, the vocal seems to be operate in complete obliviousness to the backing track. Not only does the vocal miss notes, but the lyrics fall on, in front of, or behind the beat seemingly at random. Mind you, I don't insist on technical perfection. Some of the greatest musicians of all time have expanded what can be done with melody and phrasing. But that's not the sense I get here. It sounds accidental - like someone inadvertently put a vocal take onto the wrong backing track. The vocal completely undermines the utilitarian club music behind it, making it difficult to 'slip into the groove'.
"For all I know, this was precisely what you were going for. Attempting to force some radical rethink on what club music can and should be. But even if that were the case, I don't feel the experiment was very successful. I'm left with a track that's not even pleasantly unpleasant to listen to. There may be a market for would-be avant-garde gay-anti-club music, but honestly, I can't picture the market being very large, and I for one wouldn't know how to begin finding and/or reaching said market with this song. It's all but guaranteed to leave a dance floor emptier than when it began, and to cause more radios and websites to be shut off than joined.
"Pass."
Lex
Maybe you should give "Hurts So Good" a listen? http://www.hulkshare.com/poodeymusic/hurts-so-good
I will admit I have never taken a great interest in Bjork myself.
Wow! Your writing and analytical skills are superb; your posts are very engaging. I am glad you at least found the production acceptable. That leaves hope for an edited vocal perhaps?
G-Lexington
Lex. Icon. Devil.
Look, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say either you're the producer here, or you're just intimately acquainted with same. The posts just seem to posit you somewhere beyond fanboy. Maybe Poodey is your sister, or you're dating the engineer - whatever it is. But I'm going to stop treating this a hypothetical, and start approaching it as an actual. As in, I am now talking to somebody who is actually in the Poodey camp.
Speaking completely generically, yes. A song such as this one could be improved with an edited vocal. That said, the strikes against it are legion.
As I pointed out, the vocal is already produced to death. This wasn't the case of a vocal take with a flubbed note or miscue. The vocal take had been processed, autotoned, and effects-laden beyond belief...and somehow STILL wasn't either on key or on beat. If the vocal still sounds this poor after that much work, it suggests something's wrong way back at the very beginning. Either something was wrong at the songwriting and/or recording level, and a simple "edited vocal" isn't going to help matters any. It'd be like getting a car off the assembly line with the engine in the backseat, and trying to "fix it" with a new coat of paint.
But let's say you went back in the studio, and recut the vocal. And either in the studio, or on the board, you managed to get a good vocal take where the notes landed right (in pitch and tempo). Well...then you'd have a dance song that approached the level of "merely serviceable". As in, play it on club night between a bunch of bangers, and you presumably won't lose many folks from the floor. It'd probably signal "break time" for those looking to stop, but nobody would dislike it enough to leave because of it. And nobody would try to figure out who it's by - they'd just bide their time until the next (almost certainly) better song came on. Creating a serviceable dance song is a bit like coloring within the lines - you didn't really screw up anywhere, but it doesn't mean you created something that others will want to consume.
So, what WOULD I recommend? Start over. If you're going to continue to work with Poodey, I'd start by examining her limitations. She apparently doesn't have much range and much presence. If that's not something that's going to be worked on, you're going to have to write with that in mind. I gave a quick listen to a few other tracks, and it sounds like she can occasionally hit a strong note, but she mainly sounds rather distracted. So if I were working with her, I'd try to write songs with that in mind. You're not going to get a "Believe" out of her, but maybe you can get a "Short Dick Man" out of her.
Oh, and a name change wouldn't hurt. I get the pot reference, but I don't know if I'd want my stage name to sound like "poo day". My two cents.
Lex
Speaking completely generically, yes. A song such as this one could be improved with an edited vocal. That said, the strikes against it are legion.
As I pointed out, the vocal is already produced to death. This wasn't the case of a vocal take with a flubbed note or miscue. The vocal take had been processed, autotoned, and effects-laden beyond belief...and somehow STILL wasn't either on key or on beat. If the vocal still sounds this poor after that much work, it suggests something's wrong way back at the very beginning. Either something was wrong at the songwriting and/or recording level, and a simple "edited vocal" isn't going to help matters any. It'd be like getting a car off the assembly line with the engine in the backseat, and trying to "fix it" with a new coat of paint.
But let's say you went back in the studio, and recut the vocal. And either in the studio, or on the board, you managed to get a good vocal take where the notes landed right (in pitch and tempo). Well...then you'd have a dance song that approached the level of "merely serviceable". As in, play it on club night between a bunch of bangers, and you presumably won't lose many folks from the floor. It'd probably signal "break time" for those looking to stop, but nobody would dislike it enough to leave because of it. And nobody would try to figure out who it's by - they'd just bide their time until the next (almost certainly) better song came on. Creating a serviceable dance song is a bit like coloring within the lines - you didn't really screw up anywhere, but it doesn't mean you created something that others will want to consume.
So, what WOULD I recommend? Start over. If you're going to continue to work with Poodey, I'd start by examining her limitations. She apparently doesn't have much range and much presence. If that's not something that's going to be worked on, you're going to have to write with that in mind. I gave a quick listen to a few other tracks, and it sounds like she can occasionally hit a strong note, but she mainly sounds rather distracted. So if I were working with her, I'd try to write songs with that in mind. You're not going to get a "Believe" out of her, but maybe you can get a "Short Dick Man" out of her.
Oh, and a name change wouldn't hurt. I get the pot reference, but I don't know if I'd want my stage name to sound like "poo day". My two cents.
Lex
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Re: The New Lady Gaga: Poodey's "As Deep As Me"
Lex
While you might be thinking from the prospective of a record label executive. I think you're short sited and maybe a bit of a hater. For example in 2008 I saw lady GAGA at a local gay bar preforming 3 songs. Most didn't know her definitely didn't know the songs and when she was finished I said this girls an icon why is she at some club she should be a huge star. The same night some queens and haters said how awful she was and didn't appreciate her style or her music. I stepped to her defense for I saw something they didn't and couldn't. Because she wasn't on top 40 radio or on YouTube getting millions of views people didn't get it. This was in August. In December of the same year Just Dance went #1 ! So while poodey may have an interesting voice it's also distinctive. Maybe listen close to the lyrics and appreciate the production. There are things on the radio far worse and I for one wouldn't pass on her. I think poodey is an icon and has true talent an ability. I think she's more than you give her credit for. Well what do I know I saw it in Lady GAGA and I see it in Poodey. You Lexi might want to up your skills and artistic ear:
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Lex
While you might be thinking from the prospective of a record label executive. I think you're short sited and maybe a bit of a hater. For example in 2008 I saw lady GAGA at a local gay bar preforming 3 songs. Most didn't know her definitely didn't know the songs and when she was finished I said this girls an icon why is she at some club she should be a huge star. The same night some queens and haters said how awful she was and didn't appreciate her style or her music. I stepped to her defense for I saw something they didn't and couldn't. Because she wasn't on top 40 radio or on YouTube getting millions of views people didn't get it. This was in August. In December of the same year Just Dance went #1 ! So while poodey may have an interesting voice it's also distinctive. Maybe listen close to the lyrics and appreciate the production. There are things on the radio far worse and I for one wouldn't pass on her. I think poodey is an icon and has true talent an ability. I think she's more than you give her credit for. Well what do I know I saw it in Lady GAGA and I see it in Poodey. You Lexi might want to up your skills and artistic ear:
Lex
While you might be thinking from the prospective of a record label executive. I think you're short sited and maybe a bit of a hater. For example in 2008 I saw lady GAGA at a local gay bar preforming 3 songs. Most didn't know her definitely didn't know the songs and when she was finished I said this girls an icon why is she at some club she should be a huge star. The same night some queens and haters said how awful she was and didn't appreciate her style or her music. I stepped to her defense for I saw something they didn't and couldn't. Because she wasn't on top 40 radio or on YouTube getting millions of views people didn't get it. This was in August. In December of the same year Just Dance went #1 ! So while poodey may have an interesting voice it's also distinctive. Maybe listen close to the lyrics and appreciate the production. There are things on the radio far worse and I for one wouldn't pass on her. I think poodey is an icon and has true talent an ability. I think she's more than you give her credit for. Well what do I know I saw it in Lady GAGA and I see it in Poodey. You Lexi might want to up your skills and artistic ear:
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Lex
While you might be thinking from the prospective of a record label executive. I think you're short sited and maybe a bit of a hater. For example in 2008 I saw lady GAGA at a local gay bar preforming 3 songs. Most didn't know her definitely didn't know the songs and when she was finished I said this girls an icon why is she at some club she should be a huge star. The same night some queens and haters said how awful she was and didn't appreciate her style or her music. I stepped to her defense for I saw something they didn't and couldn't. Because she wasn't on top 40 radio or on YouTube getting millions of views people didn't get it. This was in August. In December of the same year Just Dance went #1 ! So while poodey may have an interesting voice it's also distinctive. Maybe listen close to the lyrics and appreciate the production. There are things on the radio far worse and I for one wouldn't pass on her. I think poodey is an icon and has true talent an ability. I think she's more than you give her credit for. Well what do I know I saw it in Lady GAGA and I see it in Poodey. You Lexi might want to up your skills and artistic ear:
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Re: The New Lady Gaga: Poodey's "As Deep As Me"
Oh. Stop. Please.
The song is shit.
Making up a whole lot of avatars to try to convince us on JUB that her voice is good or that the song only needs millions of adoring fans in order for us all to realise that it is a work pure genius is disingenuous and condescending.
You could edit and remix this thing to death and it still won't be anything more than it is.
Oh. Stop. Please.
The song is shit.
Making up a whole lot of avatars to try to convince us on JUB that her voice is good or that the song only needs millions of adoring fans in order for us all to realise that it is a work pure genius is disingenuous and condescending.
You could edit and remix this thing to death and it still won't be anything more than it is.
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^.....It most certainly isn't his artistic ear that's the issue with Poodie's abilities. And I really, really have to second that name change.
G-Lexington
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Re: The New Lady Gaga: Poodey's "As Deep As Me"
Well, you wouldn't be the first to offer me the Tin Ear Award, and you most certainly won't be the last. And I've said "pass" to at least one song that later became a hit across the US, so maybe Poodey's primed to follow in their footsteps.
Then again, I've never come at music from the vantage point of a record label executive. I'm a music fanatic, first and foremost. And I always approach new music by first asking "Do I like this?" And then, as a follow-up, I ask "Are there other people who would like this?" There is plenty of music out there which I personally don't like at all, but I still have enough distance to say "I bet young alienated teens might enjoy this" or "rock-leaning country fans might give this a go". For Poodey's track, my answers were "no" and "I really can't think of anyone".
"Hater" is a term that gets bandied about a lot. It used to be a defense mechanism ("Lex just likes to hate things") but now it's something of a point of pride ("Lady Gaga had haters, and now Poodey has haters, too! She's on her way to stardom!"). But there's two things wrong with that. One - I'm not a hater. I adore music. I play all sorts of genres constantly, and I'm always looking for some new music that I can love. In fact, I found a song I really like this morning by an artist with just a handful of Facebook fans. (Ironically, I think this artist could use a name-change, as well.) And secondly, "having haters" doesn't put an artist on the same level as other, far more popular ones. It's easy to find people who don't like your work. The challenge is to find people who DO like your work.
But thanks for starting an account just to tell me what Time it is. Looks like I've got a hater now, too.
Lex
Well, you wouldn't be the first to offer me the Tin Ear Award, and you most certainly won't be the last. And I've said "pass" to at least one song that later became a hit across the US, so maybe Poodey's primed to follow in their footsteps.
Then again, I've never come at music from the vantage point of a record label executive. I'm a music fanatic, first and foremost. And I always approach new music by first asking "Do I like this?" And then, as a follow-up, I ask "Are there other people who would like this?" There is plenty of music out there which I personally don't like at all, but I still have enough distance to say "I bet young alienated teens might enjoy this" or "rock-leaning country fans might give this a go". For Poodey's track, my answers were "no" and "I really can't think of anyone".
"Hater" is a term that gets bandied about a lot. It used to be a defense mechanism ("Lex just likes to hate things") but now it's something of a point of pride ("Lady Gaga had haters, and now Poodey has haters, too! She's on her way to stardom!"). But there's two things wrong with that. One - I'm not a hater. I adore music. I play all sorts of genres constantly, and I'm always looking for some new music that I can love. In fact, I found a song I really like this morning by an artist with just a handful of Facebook fans. (Ironically, I think this artist could use a name-change, as well.) And secondly, "having haters" doesn't put an artist on the same level as other, far more popular ones. It's easy to find people who don't like your work. The challenge is to find people who DO like your work.
But thanks for starting an account just to tell me what Time it is. Looks like I've got a hater now, too.
Lex
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You all are such followers. Please learn to think for yourselves. I never said poodey had a good voice.. I said distinct. Most people on the radio can't sing like the chainsmokers or Calvin Harris himself ...or nicki I mean come on. What makes an Artist ? Why are we drawn to certain music , fashion or products. Simply put its advertising. Someone somewhere in a boardroom choose what you would like and all of you think you're so individual! Please your just following trends and I putty your small minded way of thinking. Please broaden your horizons.
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Maybe you need to broaden your horizons and listen to some music made by people with talent?
Maybe you need to broaden your horizons and listen to some music made by people with talent?
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Hell, listen to the music of people without talent. At least it would still be recognizable as a song, as opposed to the jarring number in the original post.
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I like a little bit of everything. 
my point is poodey is entertaining. Might I add I come from a lineage of musical people and think I'm Just open minded.. again most things on the radio are cheetos and it's basic . As for lex I'm not hating on you just questioning your all mighty ability you seem to think you possess.
my point is poodey is entertaining. Might I add I come from a lineage of musical people and think I'm Just open minded.. again most things on the radio are cheetos and it's basic . As for lex I'm not hating on you just questioning your all mighty ability you seem to think you possess.
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But I think several people, including Lex have pointed out that this little aria by Poodey is about as basic Cheetos as one gets.
And coming from a lineage of musical people is no defense against a tin ear.
G-Lexington
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Poodey's been a gay icon in the making for almost a decade, it would appear.
http://www.justusboys.com/forum/threads/219020-Poodey-the-new-GAY-Icon?highlight=Poodey
http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thr...Single-quot-Talk-To-You-quot?highlight=Poodey
Look, I'm the last person to tell people what to like. I spent much of the last year immersing myself in bop jazz with Chipmunk scat vocals. (Not kidding.) But I just, y'know, like this stuff. I don't insist that people who don't are audio philistines. Which is why I not only stand by my critique, but double down on there being precisely one Poodey fan on JUB, who is somehow connected to said artist.
Lex
http://www.justusboys.com/forum/threads/219020-Poodey-the-new-GAY-Icon?highlight=Poodey
http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thr...Single-quot-Talk-To-You-quot?highlight=Poodey
Look, I'm the last person to tell people what to like. I spent much of the last year immersing myself in bop jazz with Chipmunk scat vocals. (Not kidding.) But I just, y'know, like this stuff. I don't insist that people who don't are audio philistines. Which is why I not only stand by my critique, but double down on there being precisely one Poodey fan on JUB, who is somehow connected to said artist.
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