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Thoughts on this statement about the gay community?

navigaytion said:
Which, ultimately, is true. It's the reason you and everyone else modify their behavior when it's necessary and know how to behave and what to say and not say (presumably). These are things you hopefully learn as a child, if you were raised correctly, and shame is an important part of that system of upbringing.
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Which, being translated, means you believe that children should be raised through a system of psychological abuse designed to inculcate knee-jerk reactions based not on reason, but on crippling emotion, and that manipulating children through lies and intimidation is a legitimate form of child-rearing.
 
Kulindahr said:
Modesty is a concept invented to psychologically coerce others into believing there is something wrong with them, in part or whole. It's a tool of oppression.
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Then I'll assume you go naked everywhere you go because you're free from this so-called oppression.

Is that correct? Or should I assume your position is a rhetorical dead-end?
 
Sounds like Larry Kramer or some other self-hating [STRIKE]gay[/STRIKE] fag trying to stir up a controversy.

And as many of here know, there are gays everywhere, not just in the big city. So if people are "fleeing" because they're ashamed, they're apparently fleeing in every direction...
 
navigaytion said:
Then I'll assume you go naked everywhere you go because you're free from this so-called oppression.

Is that correct? Or should I assume your position is a rhetorical dead-end?
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I wear clothes when it is rationally appropriate to do so -- it has nothing to do with shame.

Shame teaches people that thinking for themselves is wrong -- it propagates lifelong immaturity.
 
Kulindahr said:
I wear clothes when it is rationally appropriate to do so -- it has nothing to do with shame.
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Right, of course. And how do you determine what's "rationally appropriate?" What mechanisms of measurement do you use?

Shame teaches people that thinking for themselves is wrong -- it propagates lifelong immaturity.
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It propagates discretion and taste. And, more importantly, it's a necessary and unavoidable attribute in living among others.
 
Kulindahr said:
Which, being translated, means you believe that children should be raised through a system of psychological abuse designed to inculcate knee-jerk reactions based not on reason, but on crippling emotion, and that manipulating children through lies and intimidation is a legitimate form of child-rearing.
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I absolutely stand by this statement 100%, whatever particular spin you put on it.
 
My thoughts; another day, another idiot.
 
navigaytion said:
It propagates discretion and taste. And, more importantly, it's a necessary and unavoidable attribute in living among others.
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navigaytion said:
I absolutely stand by this statement 100%, whatever particular spin you put on it.
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Not that it wasn't obvious before, but these two statements put you squarely in the column of those who prefer oppression to freedom, and manipulation to human dignity.
 
Kulindahr said:
Not that it wasn't obvious before, but these two statements put you squarely in the column of those who prefer oppression to freedom, and manipulation to human dignity.
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I don't believe any of those concepts are mutually exclusive, as your framing of them above would presume.
 
Kulindahr said:
That could be predicted from your avatar -- prissy, arrogant, disapproving.

Anyone who thinks shame is a virtue is a fan of oppression.

What shame really is, is a feeling induced in other people by convincing them that they do not own themselves, but are owned by someone else.

What is a virtue is acceptance of one's responsibility for one's actions.
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...........:=D:
 
Ram said:
I have seen more of that than clubs.

There are also gay pubs where men meet to just drink and mingle. No loud music, thankfully.

Honestly, gay people are like other normal people. I think.
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I have some problems defining normal but I agree with this post
 
MoltenRock III said:
Sadly, if you think the "gay bars" represent the queer community it means you have an extremely narrow view of it, and maybe even have a substance abuse issue. There is far, far, far, more to the queer community than gay bars. In the cities i have lived in there are gay sports teams, theater groups, gardening clubs, volunteer organizations, activity (biking, kayaking, jogging, et al...) clubs, social mixers, and a raft of others whereby alcohol doesn't play a part.
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Oh sweetie, as well articulated as your agrument is... I think I referred to the "gay bar community" exclusively in reference to the aforementioned statement... so you might want to take the time to read a whole sentence before spewing an offensive retort on someone's character. And because I do NOT like the bar scene you come to the conclusion that I have a substance abuse problem? That's counter intuitive isn't it? Especially since I only have one cooler a month? If I said I was "totally into" the bar scene that would be more akin to having a substance abuse problem... but thank you for trying.

I also said that the bar scene is the key scene in my cities, that is to say, not true of cities I have not lived in. So try not to be so defensive. And do try retorting without attacking someone's character. It's rather simple actually.
 
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