On-Topic Trump Bans Syrian Refugees

[MakeDigitalLove]

Yet, he didn't ban the countries where people actually came from and were involved with 9/11. All he is trying to avoid here is fucking with his own business interests in these Countries.

 

[SaskGuy]

Besides, this is exactly what he said he would do, so why is anyone surprised?

Then again, it actually is surprising that a leader would keep a promise they made during the election.

 

[gsdx]

No it's not OK, and I didn't say it was.... but take a look at what has been happening in Germany (in most of Europe actually) ever since they opened the flood gates. That's what he's trying to avoid. It's not a good way to prevent it, but that's the reasoning for it.

When did Canada have its last terrorist attack?

Trump may be trying to prevent terrorist attacks, but he's actually enticing more attacks. Just like 'the wall'. Agitation is not a solution. People don't like to be told to 'keep off the grass', and 'no trespassing' is nothing more than a challenge.

 

[MystikWizard]

We need to control the population anyway. I dare say that most immigrants, albeit furious at Trump for this decision, will likely come to grips on why this decision was made once they have a chance to reflect on the issues that terrorists cause in giving Islam a bad name. We do have an issue with Radical Islam and perhaps this will encourage Muslims to take greater steps to fight it in their respective countries.

Trump is err'ing on the side of extreme caution with who is entering the United States. Why are folks opposed to this move? Why does the U.S. need to always be seen as the party that constantly allows more people and more people into the country? We are over-populated as it is and don't have enough jobs from everyone now.

Much like abortion, unfortunately, at the end of the day is really population control, this move which is first and foremost a national security issue, also serves the same benefit of controlling the population.

These refugees need to stand up and fight to overcome the terrorists in their own country instead of fleeing and over-populating the United States.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

We need to control the population anyway. I dare say that most immigrants, albeit furious at Trump for this decision, will likely come to grips on why this decision was made once they have a chance to reflect on the issues that terrorists cause in giving Islam a bad name. We do have an issue with Radical Islam and perhaps this will encourage Muslims to take greater steps to fight it in their respective countries.

Trump is err'ing on the side of extreme caution with who is entering the United States. Why are folks opposed to this move? Why does the U.S. need to always be seen as the party that constantly allows more people and more people into the country? We are over-populated as it is and don't have enough jobs from everyone now.

Much like abortion, unfortunately, at the end of the day is really population control, this move which is first and foremost a national security issue, also serves the same benefit of controlling the population.

These refugees need to stand up and fight to overcome the terrorists in their own country instead of fleeing and over-populating the United States.

The ignorance, especially the last bit.

 

[SaskGuy]

When did Canada have its last terrorist attack?

Trump may be trying to prevent terrorist attacks, but he's actually enticing more attacks. Just like 'the wall'. Agitation is not a solution. People don't like to be told to 'keep off the grass', and 'no trespassing' is nothing more than a challenge.

Trudeau has been surprisingly selective on which refugees he let in... he didn't just open the floodgates and then tell the population to deal with the resulting problems, like what happened in Germany [Text: Removed].
It's almost as if Trudeau knows that letting in hordes of refugees and then letting them do anything they want without consequence can cause problems...

We need to control the population anyway. I dare say that most immigrants, albeit furious at Trump for this decision, will likely come to grips on why this decision was made once they have a chance to reflect on the issues that terrorists cause in giving Islam a bad name. We do have an issue with Radical Islam and perhaps this will encourage Muslims to take greater steps to fight it in their respective countries.

Trump is err'ing on the side of extreme caution with who is entering the United States. Why are folks opposed to this move? Why does the U.S. need to always be seen as the party that constantly allows more people and more people into the country? We are over-populated as it is and don't have enough jobs from everyone now.

Much like abortion, unfortunately, at the end of the day is really population control, this move which is first and foremost a national security issue, also serves the same benefit of controlling the population.

These refugees need to stand up and fight to overcome the terrorists in their own country instead of fleeing and over-populating the United States.

Few people will think about why this is an issue... instead, they'll just cry racism. In reality, they should be more angry about the Islam extremists who are making them look bad, instead of the people who are trying to protect their own country from Islam extremism.

 

[MorrisseyX]

Apathetic to Donald Trump Muslim Ban

People are falling over themselves condemning Donald Trump and the so called Muslim ban. But as a gay man I am reminded that many of these Muslim countries actively discriminate against gay and lesbian people. So why should I care? A lot of these Muslim countries are stuck in the dark ages. Now another point to consider is Trump going about it the wrong way to ban refugees from certain Muslim countries entry in the USA. I am going to say yes Trump is going about it the wrong way. I can understand banning people who are criminals from Muslim countries who are not American citizens from entering America. Or banning people who have terrorist ties to enter the USA that makes sense. It is just like a few years ago when Pakistan had a disaster and the media made a big deal that the west is apathetic. Why should the west care about Pakistan when that country is known to be a haven for terrorism. I know people will say I am talking hog wash or BS. But honestly, I cannot bring myself to be outraged about this. I just am reminded that a lot of Muslim countries are extremely homophobic and do not care about LGBT people.

 

[gsdx]

Trudeau has been surprisingly selective on which refugees he let in... he didn't just open the floodgates and then tell the population to deal with the resulting problems, like what happened in Germany [Text: Removed].
It's almost as if Trudeau knows that letting in hordes of refugees and then letting them do anything they want without consequence can cause problems...

How quickly you forget. The Syrian refugee programme in Canada began with Stephen Harper. He was all for it and did what he could to make it happen as smoothly and quickly as possible. In fact, it started 3 years before the election. Here's a timeline from Maclean's Magazine:

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/timeline-canada-and-the-syrian-refugee-crisis/

And Trudeau hasn't closed any doors. He's amped it up:

https://www.liberal.ca/realchange/syrian-refugees/

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Majority of points you guys are making have already been debunked, keep up.

 

[Benvolio]

Majority of points you guys are making have already been debunked, keep up.

Nonsense. Disagreeing is not debunking.

 

[Kabluey]

Nonsense. Disagreeing is not debunking.

Why debunk lies?
They have no credibility in the first place.

 

[Stardreamer]

A Federal Judge has issued an emergency stay against Trump's ban allowing all Muslims with legal visas, green cards and/or approved refugee status to enter the US, requiring the release of those travelers that have been detained and barring the deportation of any of the above.

From the Denver Post:

A federal judge in New York has issued an emergency order temporarily barring the U.S. from deporting people from nations subject to President Donald Trump’s travel ban.

U.S. District Judge Ann Donnelly issued the order Saturday evening after lawyers for the American Civil Liberties Union filed a court petition on behalf of people from seven predominantly Muslim nations who were detained at airports across the country as the ban took effect.

Cheers broke out in a crowd of demonstrators outside a Brooklyn courthouse as the decision, effective nationwide, was announced.

The order barred U.S. border agents from removing anyone who arrived in the U.S. with a valid visa from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen.

It also covered anyone with an approved refugee application.

I suspect Trump is now beginning to get the lesson on the limits of Presidential power and executive orders.

 

[Kabluey]

A Federal Judge has issued an emergency stay against Trump's ban allowing all Muslims with legal visas, green cards and/or approved refugee status to enter the US, requiring the release of those travelers that have been detained and barring the deportation of any of the above.

From the Denver Post:

I suspect Trump is now beginning to get the lesson on the limits of Presidential power and executive orders.

I bet he'll double down.
Stubborn, ignorant people tend to.

 

[Sausy]

Trump didn't put Saudi Arabia(which certainly produced the terrorists that attacked us on 9-11), The United Arab Emirates, Egypt, or Turkey on the list. NONE of the nations on his list have significant business ties to Trump's empire, but those countries do. Even those holding green cards, who are here legally, and their families are threatened by the sweeping arbitrariness of this policy. ALL people from those countries on the list are ineligible to be here, should this ever go into effect. People who risked their lives living in Iraq to provide service to the US military would now be thrown under the bus... for God's sakes, WHY is Donald Trump doing more to raise morale among jihadists than seriously working with the world community on ways to continue to isolate them? His stance is being pointed out by the hard liners that the US and the West despite their words seeks a confrontation with Islam. I can only say that Donald Trump wants the world to see him puffing his chest and preening about regarding American might... instead of showing resolve and leadership, he is needlessly risking fanning the flames to something disastrous.

This is the guy who said the other day that we should have taken Iraq's oil, and perhaps will get the chance again. Then when questioned about how that might be understood by the Iraqis, dismissed concerns by disparaging the credibility of Iraq as a sovereign country. One thing that will certainly unify Iraqis against us is the idea the Americans want to steal all their oil... this is a man who makes lists of countries that we would not allow people from these nations to even visit the US without being in violation of the order...yet where he has cushy business arrangements it's business as usual. Unfair, arbitrary, needlessly provocative... how much more of this Trump abomination can we abide?

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Nonsense. Disagreeing is not debunking.

Sorry Sean spicer, you can't disagree with facts. Your Majesty has shown multiple times that he has his own best interests ahead of of anything else, even as POTUS.

 

[frankfrank]

I was expecting a temporal visa ban from:
Saudi arabia, pakistan, UAE, Qatar and a few other gulf states.

Yes, Saudi Arabia, who singlehandedly provided NEARLY ALL of the Nine Eleven terrorists.

I suspect Trump is now beginning to get the lesson on the limits of Presidential power and executive orders.

He'll just keep issuing more and more executive orders, to see WHICH of his turds stick to the wall.

 

[JohnnyAnger]

Trudeau has been surprisingly selective on which refugees he let in... he didn't just open the floodgates and then tell the population to deal with the resulting problems, like what happened in Germany [Text: Removed].

What would you have had us in Europe do? Put on thousands of flights to Syria to send them back? The Germans bite the bullet on this one because no one was doing anything and more and more people were arriving. Its very easy to call Merkel a [Text: Removed] for lettting them in when there arent refugees flooding into your boarders or dying on your beaches.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

What would you have had us in Europe do? Put on thousands of flights to Syria to send them back? The Germans bite the bullet on this one because no one was doing anything and more and more people were arriving. Its very easy to call Merkel a [Text: Removed] for lettting them in when there arent refugees flooding into your boarders or dying on your beaches.

Unfortunately people like to trivialize issues in an attempt to make their point sound.

 

[rareboy]

Fortunately, while England's desperate Theresa May is still tongue punching Trump's fart box in order to hang on to the rather sad image of of being his new BFF...Angela Merkel has demonstrated that she can stand up to this bully by calling him out on his nonsense.

"The Chancellor regrets the US Government's entry ban against refugees and citizens of certain countries.

"She is convinced that even the necessary, resolute fight against terrorism doesn't justify putting people of a particular origin or particular faith under general suspicion.

"The Geneva Refugee Convention requires the international community to take in refugees from war on humanitarian grounds. All signatory states are expected to do so. The Chancellor explained this policy to the US President in their call yesterday.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...gration-refugee-executive-order-a7551641.html

 

[rareboy]

Trudeau has been surprisingly selective on which refugees he let in... he didn't just open the floodgates and then tell the population to deal with the resulting problems, like what happened in Germany [Text: Removed].

Calling a respected and powerful woman like Angela Merkel a '[Text: Removed]' should tell everyone all they need to know about you and the intellectually and morally bankrupt positions you take on issues like these.