Every Motherfucker here is an immigrant except for the native Americans. Give it a rest.
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On-Topic Trump Bans Syrian Refugees
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Name one who isn't. Prove to us that YOUR family was born and didn't come from somewhere else.
Only the first generation coming are immigrants. And that is really not relevant to the question of wither we should allow recent arrivals to decide how the country should be run.
Like it or not, you are children of immigrants. I am a child of double immigrants - once to the colonies and again after the Revolutionary War to Canada.
TX-Beau
FEAR THE LIBERAL DETENTE!
Every Motherfucker here is an immigrant except for the native Americans. Give it a rest.
All homo sapiens are native to AFRICA, everyone else is an immigrant!
Ben just like his racist fantasies, like that's new.
TX-Beau
FEAR THE LIBERAL DETENTE!
Apparently if you are a "white" person, you get to vote; but if you are a "brown" person, you are the fucking evil.
LET'S ASK
HEY! CORNHOLIO! IF a BROWN person is here for a generation, does that PERSON get a say?????
NO? I thought not.
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Stormfront nonsense.
No, by definition an immigrant is an individual who moves front country to another to live. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/immigrant. His descendants, born in the new country are not immigrants.
Mexico has horrible problems including poverty and crime. I do not share your apparent belief that they can do a better job of making decisions for our country than Americans. We should be grateful for the electoral college.
Didn't you say somewhere that the electoral collage doesn't really work? Or does it just work to elect a man who has no qualifications for the job and spends weekends in Florida playing golf on your dime?
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The correct answer to your question is that we should allow citizens, regardless of where they were born, to decide. It does not matter if they are a recent arrival or not.
Now, of course, what you are really inferring to is Trump's unfounded and largely discredited claims of illegals voting in mass numbers. What those who have seriously looked at that issue has found is yes there are some non-citizens voting but not in numbers large enough to threaten the sanctity or outcome of the vote. Trying to prevent that from happening would result in even greater numbers of legal citizens being denied their right to vote and that is not acceptable. Besides it irrelevant to the subject of the thread which is Syrian refugees, who do not have a right to vote.
I did not say it does not work.
As citizens they are entitled to vote. What I said is that we should be happy the electoral college prevented them from having the controlling vote as they would have without the EC system. New immigrants have a different point of view and agenda. They often want more to come from their country without regard to the good or harm to the country. Hillary pandered to them by advocating immigration and seeming to want open borders. Immigrants largely vote democrat for high taxes on Americans and freebies for immigrants. Coming from poor countries, often without democracy, and with little education, they are not in the best position to just what is best for an advanced economy.
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What an amazing gross generalization. Many natualized citizens understand and know this country better than many of its natural born citizens, after all they made the choice to become part of this nation. How many young people today could pass a naturalization exam?
Many of them are probably more educated than you are. But that is all illrelevant as education and economic status is not currently, supposedly, a factor in whether a citizen has a right to vote or be represented in our society.
The Electoral College was not intended to protect us from the poor, uneducated masses but to a degree level the represenstation across the nation. Many could turn your representation on its head and say that the EC system has allowed the poor and little educated in the country who are not in the best position to judge what is best for the country and economy to dominate the election. It is a very cynical way to view the electorate in either view.
It should be no surprise that Ben likes the EC, I am sure he longs for the day when it considered slaves 3/5ths of a person.
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For the most part the polorized Right and Left love or hate the EC based on whether it is working for or against their candidate.
Read again. I didn't say it does not work. I said it does not 'really' work. There is something wrong with a system in which the person who loses the election becomes president. More people voted AGAINST Trump than FOR him. The system gave Americans what the majority didn't want.
No.no, that was a democrat idea; Republicans fought a war and ended it.
I understand why it exists, but I also don't agree with it because it is still flawed.
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Your view of history is distorted.
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Yes it is flawed but that can be said of most Human creations, perfection is not only usually beyond grasp but rarely lasts even if achieved.
We need to remember that the Presidency was never intended to be a popularity contest decided by a popular vote. If anything the biggest flaw in the current system is we have gone too far in that direction instead of not far enough. We are eliminating the vetting of candidate's merits that would prevent the election of a leadership disaster like Trump.
I don't think the general election or the EC is the main problem though but the primary system. I understand that primary elections were intended to do away with the smoke filled rooms where the party leadership just selected a candidate and coronated them at the convention but the primary election has just replaced the leadership with a popular rally of the party's more radical extremes.
