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Undying love for my best friend...please read(long

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Just had to write that I am terribly sad today. This came out of nowhere. Lately I have been pretty good. Lately I also have been dealing with my friends distance.

But I miss him terribly and I am sad we are not near each other.

It is such a gut wrenching, intense, piercing pain. I dont know how to get rid of it.

I am going to have to tell him soon what I think about him. Brian
 
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Dear Brian ...

Sorry about my earlier post. It was not my intention to make you feel badly, or infer anything, at all, about Your relationship with Your Bud! I was merely trying to point out how Money can possibly interfer with relationships. Sometimes beyond our control or expectations. And was offering my "story" as an example of what can/might happen.

Richard, and I, consider ourselves "Brothers", yet are not nearly as close as You and Your Friend. There really isn't all that much comparison! And ... no ... we aren't mad at each other. Our most recent exchanges were quite jovial, actually, and the Money has never been a topic of discussion. Nor do I intend to EVER bring it up! But still ... as Yves mentioned ... it seems to have upset the equallibrium that existed between us.

And, yes, we have lost contact before. Sometimes for years! But like all good friendships, things just picked up right where they had left off before. This time is "different" though.

Perhaps it was my "disappointment" in him, which I tried my best to "cover"? But he also knows me Very Well, and may have picked up "something" in my voice, inflection, or replies to other topics. Perhaps I was being more "stilted" than usual. I just don't Know for sure! But Something has happened that just doesn't feel "right"!

You mentioned that it pissed you off that "She" was out shopping! And maybe some of that "disappointment" might unintentionally convey to Your Bud! Please try Your Best NOT to let that happen! It's just not worth possibly "damaging" Your Relationship over!

In the long run, the Money doesn't really matter! And I would advise You to do whatever you can to completely Forget about "It"! Just let it go!

Money can be a very deceptive "Two Edged Sword"! Not only can it bring about unwanted feelings in the Recipient, but also in the Giver! Please ... DO NOT allow it that Power!!

Send more, or not, if you can, and/or wish to. But do Your utmost to not let it come between you! As "they" say, "It's ONLY Money!" And I'm urging You to do Your Best to keep it that way! There are FAR more valuable things in Life! And Your Relationship with Your "Bro" is definitely one of them!!

I am, sincerely, wishing You ALL the Very Best!! (group)

And, of course (seriously) ...

Keep smilin'!! :kiss: (*8*)
Ky ;)
 
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Thanks for the kind words KY....Im sorry if I maybe "snapped" a little or got defensive but it has just been a stressful, depresing last few days..stressed out at work, and in my personal life..

I really do thank you for all the advice and the time you have taken to show me through your experience the right thing to do...

As for helping my friend...I probably will help him..and no I dont let money have anymore value than it is...it is just that..money and material. If I were to be upset or place too much importance on money..trust me..I would have done it many times ago with my buddy..who I cant even say here how much I have helped him out with...but then again hasnt he helped me out in so many other ways too? In ways that I cannot simply even begin to put a monetary value on? I dunno..will update soon...talk to you all later..Brian
 
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Umma-When me and my buddy and his girl originally moved to Vegas in Summer of o4....We didnt have anything lined up...my buddy said as long as we had each other we would make it through..well we certainly made it through, our finances that is, and we came back home...when we came back I had my place here set for me, but they had given up their apt here and so they had to move in with his mother in law, her mother. It was miserable there for him the whole time. He was made to feel like shit, everyone treated him bad. His girl would even take their sides and always fight with him and want to break up with him...long story short our plan was always to move back out there together...But on XMAS eve the mother in law got an eviction notice to be out by 2/1/06...and so they had to leave, he asked me for help and he agreed that staying here is too depressing for him so they both decided to leave...it was very hard for him becasue I chose to stay and finish my schooling and save up a lot more..and be ready this time...it was a hard decision to stay behind, but I dont ever wanna live where Im just making it anymore..I want to live comfortable.

Hope that answered it :-)

When I got home from my masters class a message from his mother was on my machine..He called me last night but I wasnt home..I have not spoken to him his girl or his mother in a few days..and quite frankly could use the break...but I know my buddy...he will call me late tonight..he hates us going at all without talking so Im sure to ehar from him...talk to you all soon...BRIAN
 
Wow

Hey guys whats up.... :wave:


My buddy called me last night and talked for like a minute..he said his girl is leaving to go over her friends house for two days and that can he call me in fifteen minutes? I said sure.

He called me back and said "Whats up buddy?" and I said "Whats up?" and then he proceeded to break down and bawl and cry and sob like I have never heard him do before. !oops!

He said that he misses me too much and that I dont begin to even know how much he misses me. He said that he is too alone out there and he wants to come home. He said he is losing hope and he feels like he cannot get a break and he feels a large weight on his shoulders. !oops!

I felt really bad for him. I wanted to hug him so much. I said buddy its ok, cry it out. Im here. He cried so much and for so long I was worried for him.

He said we have to work on me coming out there sooner and that a year is too long and that even August is too long. He said he misses his walks and talks with me and the littlest things. We talked for close to two hours about this and after a while he said he needs to call me back, he had to vomit.

He calls me back and the first thing he said was that he misses me and he knows he sounds like a broken record. I told him I miss him in ways that he doesnt know either.

He said he has been lying and things have not been ok out there and that me being there would make him feel comfortable. He said he is thinking about coming home, even though he hates NYC, just to be near me. !oops!

After a while I talked to him and calmed him down. We started talking about other things. Movies. Vegas. NYC., etc..

And then the whole topic completely shifted. :eek:

He asked me how therapy is going and I said I dont go anymore. He said and how is the OTHER thing going. And I go what? He says, you know what we talked about. And I said nothing much.

He made a joke about when he had a kid whether or not he should call me aunt or uncle brian..we both had a laugh over it and he said that only he could joke about that with me.

He asked if Ii had been seeing anyone. He also asked about what type of guy that Im into. I said recently I had been with a guy Matt who is a personal trainer at Crunch gym..hes like get out Ballys(the company my buddy used to work for) owns that. I said cool and he goes whats his name maybe I know him. I said his name but it didnt ring a bell. He asked me if this guy Matt had tattoos and I said no. After I went on about Matt my buddy said "yeah I have to get back in shape"

He then said that if he were to go the other way he would have to be the man..I said excuse me?? lol And he said nevermind. He asked me if Im the man when we have sex..I said yes lol. I went ont o say that Im into manly men..and for some reason I guess he got all defensive and said "Well I cant help you out there!" I was like ok....

He said it is cool that we were able to talk about this and he enjoys the fact that I am more comfortable with him now. He also said that him and his girl love me to death and that he doesnt even se me as a friend, he sees me as a brother.

He also said that he knew very quickly that I was gay. He said he thought with some things I said that I was slowly coming out to him and he tried to make it more easy for me. He said he loves me no matter what. He then went on to say that if I am with anyone come August that I could invite him down with me and that he would be more than welcome. He said is proud of me and proud to know me and that he would be glad to tell his straight Italian friends that he had a gay friend. he also said he has lost a lot of respect for his friends back home and that everyday I remind him more and more of what brothers we are. I told him that "we have a rare relationship/friendship"; and he goes I know..

He then played me a clip of American Pie 3 where Stifler, a character in th movie was in a gay bar doing a dance off..He said thats his favorite and funniest scene in the movie. :D


Anyway we went on and on and I said that I had to go..He said he hates this part of the phone call because when he hangs up with me, he gets depressed. He also said for me to make sure I call him when Ii get in from work..I said I will...I told him..I miss you buddy...and he goes I miss you so much Bri... !oops!


It was without a doubt one of the sweetest/nicest/deep conversations we ever had. Talk to you guys later, Brian


P.S. His girl is out of town the next two nights..so maybe I can get some more nice chats in with him before she gets back..he seemed more open talking about things last night, because he was in the apt alone.
 
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Wow, these posts have just sucked me in. They are so heart wrenching! I could read them for hours. :D I am really afraid that it is going to end up bad. I hope your story has a happy ending, LostVegas. :(
 
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Brian ...

Your Bro ... have you mentioned his first name? ... really does sound like a tremendously amazing guy! And I truly do envy the relationship you two have managed to build! (group)

And now I'm going to degenerate into the 55yr old, happily "married" Gay Guy, with sex on his mind (nearly as much as when I was in my twenties), that I am! My sincerest apologies in advance! ... :slap:

So ... considering Your Bro's very strong "Italian Stallion Syndrome", and his obvious ignorance (not in a bad way, just not Knowing) concerning "Gayness", might he have been Hinting that he might, just might, consider "doing" You (being "The Man") if the opportunity ever came up??? And would You mind if He did?? Just a thought ... :-<

Or ... continuing to be an utter "ass", which I'm usually not (o) ... what do you think would happen if You took Matt to L.V., stayed with Your Bro and his Girl, with the agreement to make all kinds of "interesting noises" during the night (whether you were actually doing anything, or not)??? Do you think "She" might be disgusted, but Your Bro maybe become jealous?? :eek: :badgrin:

Oh ... just Shoot Me now!! ](*,)

But ... He does seem to be curious! And seems to be wanting to Learn more from/about You! Not a "Bad Thing" at all! So ... yeah! ... obviously a Very Good Friend!! :hurray: (!w!)

Keep smilin'!! :kiss: (*8*)
Ky ;)
 
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^I think he definately wants to experiment w/ you. And i don't think you'd have THAT MUCH of a problem bottoming for him nw would you? lol. I mean why else would he bring that up?
 
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I'm suspicious also that he might be trying to say he's interested!
But, a caution: it is just possible he might be trying to use the sex angle to get you to join him sooner than planned, maybe without knowing it. My guess is that's not the case, but when people get really stressed, they can get agendas going they aren't even aware of consciously.
Every time I read these posts I find myself wishing I could just write a check for you two to have twice-a month flights back and forth to be together... this one just made it worse. I hope things go well, because you two have such a treasure in each other, but the strain is clearly mounting.
Hang in there!
 
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I've been reading this post for a long time and this is my first post.
I just wanted to say that it seems like you're the only antidepressant he has right now.
Do you think there is a possibility that you can fly him to NYC for a weekend or you flying to LV for a weekend? I think after those intense phone conversations you guys need to be together to be able to talk it out all night. The first option is better I think, because his girlfriend won't be around to bother you guys.
Who knows what might happen if there are only two of you alone having a heart-to-heart conversation? ;)
From the way you described him crying on the phone because he misses you and being depressed, I sensed a possibility of good outcome here.
 
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Hey guys, good morning..thanks for all the continued responses and feedback...things just get odder and odder.. :confused:


It is 5:50am here..just got off the phone with him again. We were on for about 4 hours.

Tonight it was weird. We were both down a little but none of us were doing any real talking. But it didnt really matter. I mean there was dead silence for close to 3-4 minutes and in a phone call, that seems like an eternity.

I broke the mood by joking on him a little. The he joked on me, about being the women in my relationship.

And then the phone call opened up and all we kept talking about was me being gay..It really really seems that he enjoys talking about it. He even said so. He said he finds it interesting and that hes learning about me. :-)

We made TONS of jokes back and forth about straight and gay people..There was a noise on the phone and I asked what it was and he said he was doing the laundry. Im like your talking about me being the woman and here you are doing laundry and doing dishes and cleaning(my buddy has OCD when it comes to cleaning, I call him Mrs Doubtfire..)

He said "hey I know I have some gay tendencies Bri..".....I was in shock and just went on saying something else...and he goes "you heard me right? I said I have some gay tendencies..." He said this very non-chalantly but I was so in shock :eek: I just changed the subject..I didnt know what to say.. #-o

We went on to talk about Matt and he asked what kind of shape he is in, etc..He talked again about him coming over to Vegas with me if I wanted..I asked if his girl knew about me(I wasnt really sure) he said yes..He said her reaction was to laugh because she didnt know why I was so hesitant to come out to her...and that she used to have a best gay friend..

I told him "listen whenever I bring whoever Im into at the time over..you cant go becoming better friends with him, remember bro, im your brother.." and he started laughing out loud saying that I he couldnt believe I was jealous about something liek that...

I also made the joke that me and his girl will be home alone consoling each other while my boyfriend and him are out having fun without us...He said well us boys will have to leave the ladies home from time to time...He asked again whos them an in my relationship..I said we both are..and he goes that must suck..and I go why..he goes because you prolly both want to nail each other :sex: but no one wants to be the girl..I was like lol :D

We had a great/deep/funny talk and Im finding that our talks about me being gay and all that comes with it are shaping up to be some of our best talks.. (*8*)

I have come to the conclusion that

a) He is VERY gay friendly
b)I think he is straight but very curious
c)I dont think he will ever leave his girl
d)I think an encounter between me and him at some point is not too far fetched
e)I really enjoy having this closeness with my friend....my love for him aside..I have really really found a rare friend and he found a rare friend in me...its so surreal that we have each other...Talk to you guys later (*8*) ..brian
 
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Gay tendancies? Another plot twist! *grabs some popcorn* ;)
 
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^^^Man, you got that right. Pass some popcorn over here.


LostVegas said:
I have come to the conclusion that

a) He is VERY gay friendly
b)I think he is straight but very curious
c)I dont think he will ever leave his girl
d)I think an encounter between me and him at some point is not too far fetched
e)I really enjoy having this closeness with my friend....my love for him aside..I have really really found a rare friend and he found a rare friend in me...its so surreal that we have each other...Talk to you guys later (*8*) ..brian
a. To say the least
b. I wouldn't go so far as to say straight at this point. Curious? Probably. More than curious? Probably.
c. Never say never.
d. Agreed.
e. So true, and you're so lucky.

Well, the plot does thicken. I'm not terribly surprised, except that he finally admitted it. How are you feeling now? Hopeful, because he might have the capacity to love you and have sex with you too? Or, feeling like you're competing even more for him now vis-a-vis his girlfriend.

I also wonder what she suspects? Unless she's totally dense, she has to wonder about his emotional closeness to you, doesn't she?

It will be very interesting to see where this goes.
 
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greenguy said:
Gay tendancies? Another plot twist! *grabs some popcorn* ;)


Well let me clarify some things...

Going back now on what he said..we were on the subject of me making fun of him cleaning and doing the laundry..and then he said he knows he has gay tendencies..I THINK what he meant to say that there are things about him that SEEM gay or one might THINK is gay...not that he had tendencies to have sex with a guy... :confused:


I just got off the phone with him and I said why dont you come home and stay here. And he said..Bro If Ii could I would do anything to come and be with you...but right in the middle of saying with, he said near you... !oops!

He also told me to come there and he said he would cook for me every night and that he would be the bitch in the relationship...and he started laughing...anyway hes going call later tonight so I hope to update..thanks for reading..Brian

PS. Talking to him online AOL right now, keep IMng each other how we miss each other..Im tempted to tell him..talk lata BRI
 
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Brian,

You have to tell him how you really feel about him. Tell him, see where you stand and get on with your relationship with him, whichever way it goes. If he's confused about his sexuality, maybe this will help him find out who he really is. He can then make a decision on his life. I just spent this entire evening reading only your posts from the very start. If your relationship is as strong as it sounds, and I believe it is, your relationship will be even closer, one way or the other. Go for it! Good luck man.

J.
 
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I'm on the edge of my seat!

You can't keep doing this to us!

I can't wait to see what happens next.

This should be made into a motion picture

strangelittleboy
 
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This would make a good motion picture!

I'm totally on edge -- this is definitely more exciting than anything in my life! I SO want to hear that he and you end up in bed and he says he wants you and his girl both, and she decides she's good with that!

Meanwhile... keep opening up to him. I still think you should let him know about having a crush on him... and tell him it never really went away.
 
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Ok..I dont know exactly what to say. Im pretty down right now. :(




I been on the phone with my buddy on and off all night. I asked him his plans and he told me he was going to the gym with his friend Anthony(someone from Brooklyn that moved out there years ago, real shady guy). Anyway, being the jealous ass I am, I immediately get down about this and tell him Im down because it should be me hanging with him and not Anthony. And he goes "I know buddy..hes no you..Im just hanging out with him, he means nothing to me.."

So that set me in a funk the rest of the night. I know it sounds babyish and very immature, but hey, my heart feels what it feels.

He seems to really like the fact i think that I get a jealous over this. I think it lets him know how much I care for him.

Anyway he calls me back after we get off the phone and he tells me hes very down. He told me his father in law(or soon to be) called him and got on his case for not following through with a job..and whats going on with his daughter..she has no job either..blah blah blah...I hate this guy, hes real shady too..but anyway...so we are both down and depressed and feed off each other.. (*8*)

We started to joke about little things. We both joked about panic attacks(something we both used to go through together) and we made some other jokes. :-)

Ever since I told him abut Matt and what type of shape he is in my buddy, to my knowledge has been a little jealous. My buddy asked me questions about Matt again..mae his usual jokes bout me being gay, etc...Then he said hes going to the gym with anthony tonight...I get a little more down...He goes when I see Matt I want him to see what good of shape that hes in..he said this half jokingly but I think he really is in competition mode with him, which is odd because they never met each other(my buddy is a VERY competitive person overall)..Then eh made a joke that he wants Matt to see him and go "daaaamn hes fine looking"..and I go buddy relax, you think just because a guy is gay that he would automatically be into you..and he got very defensive and said "nah bro its ok, i aint having any of that..Im very homophobic about that....about guys being into me like that.." :eek: :rolleyes: :confused:

This kind of made me more down !oops! ..I mean I know OBVIOUSLY with what I have been through with him, hes anything but homophobic..so why did he say this??? ](*,) This has got me confused...I started to get really down, he said hes going to try and call me when he gets back from the gym..Hes really down too..

He asked me if I am ok..I said no...he goes why? Is it because I'm hanging out with Anthony? And I go yes but its more than that..He goes what..and I say I cant tell you..and he goes why..I go I just cant..I said maybe I call the therapist up tomorrow and open up to him(I played this low card, because my buddy hates me talking to anyone but him, he likes the fact that he knows more about me than anyone)..He said defensively, that I have told him everything so far..so why not tell me whats bothering me..

Im not sure if he picked up on that what he said bothered me..I think he did..the comment hurt a lot..Im kind of confused as to what to think..I just dont know.. :help:

I will try and update you before I leave for work if he calls me later...Brian
 
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You should tell your friend that you was in love with him but you realized that that never will happen and you kinda moved on... see what he responds.... and if nothing happens you should go full monty with MATT....
 
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You know that your friend isn't homophobic because of how he acts, so it should be clear that his words were simply badly chosen and not a reflection of his attitude.

If you don't tell him that his words hurt you, how is he going to know? Acting hurt so he knows something's up without explaining it simply fosters misunderstandings between you. The same goes for playing games, like trying to make him jealous and so on. Ultimately it's manipulative.

The best course, in my opinion, is to be straightforward in expressing what you feel honestly.

Communication is important not only for lovers, but in any relationship.
 
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