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Undying love for my best friend...please read(long

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Not much to update, been kind of not speaking to him for the past week or two and when he calls I ignore it. We did speak last night, and he told me he is shooting to come home for early April.

I told him I am buying a car and some furniture in the next few weeks and he kept asking how much that is all going to cost me, and I just sarcastically said "Tens of thousands of dollars, wanna help me?" Like WTF does he want to know the cost of everything for? Dayum..and I have a Wii lying around from X-Mas still un opened, and hes like why dont you send me the Wii and I will bring it back to you when I come back...I was like hmmmmmmmmm I dont think so.

Anyway, everything else seems to be doing ok...update you guys soon.

BRIAN
 
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Good to hear from you, Brian. Glad to hear everything's tootling along fine. Keep us updated. ..|
 
Re: Undying love for my best friend...please read(long)

Not much to update, been kind of not speaking to him for the past week or two and when he calls I ignore it. We did speak last night, and he told me he is shooting to come home for early April.

I told him I am buying a car and some furniture in the next few weeks and he kept asking how much that is all going to cost me, and I just sarcastically said "Tens of thousands of dollars, wanna help me?" Like WTF does he want to know the cost of everything for? Dayum..and I have a Wii lying around from X-Mas still un opened, and hes like why dont you send me the Wii and I will bring it back to you when I come back...I was like hmmmmmmmmm I dont think so.

Anyway, everything else seems to be doing ok...update you guys soon.

BRIAN

hey Brian,
i wonder why you told him you are going to buy car, furniture ... etc if you already know he is really desperate for money??

It is best not to tell him you got plenty of money coz he will ask to give him some.
 
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I think you should make it clear to him that you're now thinking of yourself first.

He never stops does he? His real motivations are so transparent. At some point, he's got to get bored or must be getting panicky about having to find himself another host to suck dry. then he'll leave you alone.

I'm just so happy for you Brian, that you have broken the cycle and have survived this nightmare.
 
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Brian ... :wave:

As robertac would say, "Just Because!" (group):hurray:(!w!)

Keep smilin'!! :kiss:(*8*)
Chaz ;)
 
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I told him I am buying a car and some furniture in the next few weeks and he kept asking how much that is all going to cost me, and I just sarcastically said "Tens of thousands of dollars, wanna help me?"

HA! Good for you. Nice to see things are moving along for you. Things are only going to get better, so long as you work for them.
 
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Hey guys update time...even though its a bit off topic of the original purpose to the thread..In fact I guess these updates are more about me than my "love for a straight friend" anymore but here goes...

My friend Latoya's boyfriend works as a a big engeineer(sp?) in various hotels, so he was able to get me and Latoya a 2 night stay in the Crowne Plaza Times Square...it was so great, the hotel was so classy and cool.

Her boyfriend had told us that Madonna had been recently staying at the hotel right before we came...dont know if it was true or not but it did make staying there a lil more interesting...I lived in NYC all my life and never stayed at a hotel in the city especially in the center of it all Times Square, we had the presidential suite and had almost all wrap around windows...it was so odd how we were chilling in bed and just seeing all that wonderful view..

The valley of all the buildings was incredible..Its amazing, even though it was sunny the buildings hid the sun and all the signs were lit up beautifully and it almost felt like night time at 11am...so odd..I kept singing the theme to the Jeffersons and referring to us as George and Weezie...

Anyway we went out to eat and walked around and enjoyed it all..we got a free stay there with free room service and breakfast and dinner...it was just great.

We got a little down when we left, we felt like we were going from "moving on up to the east side" to back to living like Sanford and Son..but anyway great time was had(beside the stabbing murder that happened RIGHT OUTSIDE IN THE STREET DOWNSTAIRS,no lie..WABC 7 was there to cover it, it was surreal).

Andrew called me a few times..and I asked him what he did this weekend, and he goes "nothing much, just rented some movies with my girl..what are you doing?"

I go, "Oh nothing, JUST STAYING AT THE CROWNE PLAZA IN TIMES SQUARE"

He was like, "What!?!?! WTF?"

Lol didnt mean to rub it in, but hey I dont get stuff that happens to me like this too often, so I figure why not tell him?, he should be happy for me right?...but not the case at all,he sounded so depressed as ever, so I told him I will call him back.

I felt bad that I kind of rubbed it in afterwards so I didn't call him back. I didn't want to make him feel worse.He did call me back at 5am but I was passed out from the Absolut Pear that we had been drinking all night.

Anyway, Latoya and I promised to to this again and her boyfriend is already working on getting us a stay at another hotel for February.

Brian
 
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hey vegas just started reading this long story.I recommend you stop Andrew from acting depressed like boost his self esteem make him believe he can do it.Whatever it is. But dont dwell on it . Just in an conversation when he starts bringing the negativity fire positivity at him. Be like "you stuck where you at because you want it.You are responsible for yourself no one else. If you feel miserable find out why and then fix it, I cant help you with that you got to do it on your own"

Help him out but not in any way where you reward him no money no sympathy. Just help him grow up he is gonna end up in a really bad place.He may be able to live off of one person after the other but after a while you dont find anyone else to live off of then you fall splat on your face and puff your a vum in the street.
 
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Brian ... :wave:

Thanks! for that update!! Way to GO!!! (group):hurray:(!w!)

Ain't "Life" FUN when You actually start Living it??? ..|

Keep smilin'!! :kiss:(*8*)
Chaz ;)
 
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Brian - I just read your last update. Way-to-go! I always try to check back to see how you're doing, and it sounds like you're doing well. I always rooted for you. :gogirl::gogirl:
 
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Small update.

Have not really talked to Andrew in a week, he has called late at night but by then Im out like a light.

Few weeks ago he asked me for a few thousand dollars(anywhere from 2-4) and he said he would pay me back as soon as he got his wedding money. He needed it finance him coming home. I said no.

He said he doesnt like his job and it puts him in danger all the time and some girl at work is planning to get him in trouble saying that Andrew sexually harassed her. WTF? Im sure he must have fucking flirted with her or whatever, oh well. This is the second time this has happened. In NY a girl from his work called his house and his fiancee picked up. Real smart.

Im sure hes back to gambling again here and there on the weekends, because I barely hear from him anymore.


A little over a week ago, he had called and told me to tell me that his coming home looks to be in doubt because his fiancee's mother and her boyfriend are planning to move to Vegas in the summer, thus putting the kabosh on convincing his fiancee to come back to NYC.(in an odd way I would rather he stay in Vegas)

Will update soon, and thanks for the continued support.
 
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It's clear that you HAVE indeed moved on. Way to go!!!

If there was ever any doubt that Andy is nothing but trouble at this point, and he will scam anybody he can, his most recent request for as much as F...O...U...R
T...H...O...U...S...A...N...D (yes, it needs to be spelled out) dollars is so over-the-top that any other conclusion is impossible. Those of us who have paid attention, either all along or as latecomers, have breathed a collective sigh of relief that you told him NO.

And, yes, I also think it's great news if he does not end up moving back "home." Let him stay out in the West, and suck the life out of people thousands of miles away, rather than out of you and perhaps the friends you might have introduced him to. It would be best if he ever grows up enough to figure out how to behave more responsibly (and, I think, the first part of that would be not getting married to a woman who he clearly doesn't love at all), and if he learns that he's not the most important person even in his small world.

You've been handling all of this well, and I think your real rewards are on their way, as you meet more people. The amount of change I've noticed is almost breathtaking - I assume that you are indeed talking to a shrink? Usually people don't come along so effectively and so quickly without some sort of unbiased guidance or direction from external sources.
 
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Thank God, I do believe you're now free.

Obviously, he's gambling, in trouble at work and in a disastrous downward cycle of his own making. What ever happened with all of his six figure job offers and coming to live in a mansion? I know I'm going to hate myself, but what could he possibly be working at the puts him in danger all the time?

I am most relieved that the daily calls are over and that you have the time to focus on having fun with Latoya and other friends.

I'm also delighted that the financee's, oops I mean the Fiancee's mother will coming out to live with them. I'm sure it will be a very happy family gathering that you will definitely want to miss. I still don't get it though, Vegas is the capital city of cheap quickie tawdry weddings....and they're still not married. I suppose the idea of all that wedding cash that he can use to repay his debts is what keeps them from just doing it. They're going to have to have a guest list of about 500 people though if he's putting the touch on for 4 large at a time.

Anyhow, always wishing you the best.
 
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Hey Bri I am glad your doing okay.
 
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Small update...

Andrew called and tole me that he is miserable and that what he is most miserable about it our friendship o lack of one, and how things are heading downhill fast..

I told him, well its no shock, we knew this would happen..and with what we have been through and the time spent apart and away from each other...things just happened naturally I guess.

He said hes going to need my address to send me the wedding invitation, he said hes sending it "with guest"...I dont care at this point.

Not looking foward to getting the invite.

Bri
 
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Hey Brian - Good to hear your update. It is amazing how great you sound now. It's a really healthy attitude, and it sounds like you are able to somewhat compartmentalize your friendship with Andy.

It is amazing how miserable Andy is, yet it all stems from the bad choices that he has made. Not only that, he wonders why your friendship has gone downhill when in fact he's the one who sucked it dry.

There is this naivity about him that isn't very amusing.
 
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Hi Brian, I'm glad to see you are doing so well. Keep focusing on your life and happiness. Good luck!
 
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He said hes going to need my address to send me the wedding invitation

Amazing.

He thinks he's your friend and he doesn't even have your address.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOzer.

You know my advice. Send a gift that doesn't try too hard. something from their registry. But not too expensive because you know they're only going to end up selling all of it anyway.
In cases like these, I usually choose something that neither really wants and has no resale value.

Do not send them money. For any reason.

When you don't attend the wedding and they realize you've put no special effort into a gift, they will then leave you in peace.
 
At a rossroad

Hey guys, thanks for the continued support, criticism and advice.

Rare, thanks as always, for being brutally honest.

Bear with me during this meandering post please.

Ok..I was sitting by the TV tonight, tuned into the primaries in Hawaii and WI and Washington state(really into politics this year, how exciting is this race?) and the phone rang.

It was Andrew, and against my better judgment I did pick up.(Last night at 4am my time, 1am his time I did not however.)

So he was calling midnight my time, 9pm his time which must have meant no work for Andy today. No surprise as he will prolly milk his back injury a lot.

But I digress. He called...and I guess being very into the primary results and very not in the mood for hearing him at that time, I was not mean but short with my answers.

He asked for my address and I told him.

He asked if I was going to be up later..to which I responded I have no clue.

I kind of hung up on him before he say goodbye, because for some reason, honestly not known to me I was getting angry with him.

It could be because he told me "Why dont you pick up your phone when I call?"

Now I responded, "what do you mean? If you mean at 4am this morning it was because I was sleeping.."

He goes, "No just about 10 minutes ago I called you and you ignored it.."

I asked him which phone he called, cuz if he called my land line I dont have it hooked up now due to rennoavting.

He said, "no your cell, I tired your cell and you ignored it.."

I go, "BRO, I HAVE THE PHONE RIGHT BY MY SIDE, IT HAS A SONG THAT PLAYS WHEN SOMEONE CALLS, I WOULD HAVE HEARD IT. "

He is like well I called. I go Andrew you are misinformed or drunk. Even if I got your cell and didnt hear it, my phone like all others keeps a log of missed calls.

You see its shit like this that makes me angry. Angry that he lies about shit like this. First off, whats the motivation for even making this shit up, which he has done on several occasion?

My thinking is he is trying to build me up to be the one is "ruining this friendship" by being cold.

Andrew also annoyed me on this. For the past few weeks Andrew has constantly asked me if I bought furniture yet or the car...and I told him today that I need to paint and buff the floor before I buy furniture and that I went to ALLState to get quotes for certain cars..and he goes "well that should make you happy right, getting a car?"

I said, "sure..I guess" not really understanding why he asked it.

I think on some level the fact that I still didn't buy anything yet gets him off. I don't think he wants me to have anything. It is either that or he thinks I have money that would better suit him..I really don't know.

I'm at a crossroads where I dont know if I want him in my life anymore.

He was the closest I ever came to a friend.

I know on some level I know he never thinks about paying me back the money he said he would, or the money he initally took from me.

But on some level erasing him totally from my life would be hard I think.

And sometimes I think it would be easy...right now all I have to do is simply tell him my peace, tell him not to call or ignore his calls.

I know if we stopped speaking he would say "ok if this is how YOU want it to be then I'll have to respect that". But I know deep down he will be in pain.

I'm not so sure I would be in pain. It would just be wierd. I will never erase Andrew from my memory.

We shared many cool times. He did give me confidence in some ways. He also made me learn some harsh lessons about trusting anyone ever again. And I learned that crushing over someone who is not into you or can never be into you is a dangerous line to walk.

I know by Andrew's tone on the phone that he is looking foward to the wedding, he said he was working out and getting into shape. I can tell work right now means little to him as he is eyeing the big moolah that is going to come from his wedding.

Im not sure the entirely right thing to do here.

I do no know this. I really feel right now that I don't want to be a part of the wedding in anyway. A big part of doesn't want to show up at all.

If I do make that decision,which is a huge gesture to make considering our friendship, then the line will be drawn very soon and I think things would come to an end.

The thing is, the invite will be coming this week...thats a short time to decide if I want him out of my life.

Say I continued my friendship with him I would find these things awkward:

1. Still hanging with him but in the background knowing he willingly encaptured my loyalty and betrayed me and stole from me and used me. This was something I always did do, after he told me he used me. I still said it didnt bother me and stayed friends with him. The truth is i did bother me and I rarely showed it to him. In fact because I was in love with him so much, I pushed it aside and quelled my anger. The anger would come out at times sometimes where he wondered why I was getting angry about it still even though I said I was not.

2. Knowing, that after not seeing him a year and a half, things have naturally changed.

3. The fact that I cannnot erase the fact that I was in love with him and that lead me down a path of wrong decisions. It's still hard for me. I can't chane the decisions I made.

And rarely will I find myself thinking about Andrew in that way. Andy is physically attractive and masculine, but what he did to me and how he lies and some qualities about him, make him much less of a man in my book, and therefore much easier not to love.

If i don't show for the wedding she would be angry to the point that she would tell Andrew not to bother with me anymore..and Andrew will listen to her but not after a while, I know him, he will break down and call me, especially if he and his girl fall on hard times.

What is the sensible thing to do?

I know rareboy you said to forget the wedding and send a thoughtful gift. I fall into that line of thinking. But when he gets the invite saying "I cant attend" what do I tell him on the phone is the reason why?

Keep in my mind the date was known to me for a while now, so I cannot simply say, I had smething else planned or something came up.

So what is the best advice?

Admit to myself that maybe it is best for both parties to end the friendship?

Or somehow manage to forge through our history together and try to find a meaningful friendship that can still happen?

BRIAN xoxoxo
 
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So what is the best advice?

Admit to myself that maybe it is best for both parties to end the friendship?

You know you shouldn't even be asking this question :).

You know the answer. You know that he's a jerk, that he doesn't really value you. You're no longer in love with him. You know that when you were in love with him it warped your judgement.

De facto, he is already out of your life. He is trying to get back in. If you don't go to the wedding, and instead admit to yourself and him that you've had enough, and make a clean break, he'll no longer be able to do that, and you'll have more space for other people and other things.

Very recently I went through this experience of trying to get over someone who I knew wasn't good for me. You end up hankering after the good experiences you had together in the past and being afraid to let go of those memories or to spoil them by being honest about the bad stuff. It's like wanting to scratch an itch.

The best advice I can give you is to continue to make friends who like you for who you are and respect you, and have good experiences with them. You'll get from them what you got from Andrew, and a lot more besides, and you won't miss him.

As for Andrew, you aren't responsible for him, and you don't owe him.
 
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