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Yay, Bri! Good for you!

No, you're not an idiot. I congratulate you for what you did. It took a lot of courage. But you did it. And you needed to do it.

It wasn't easy, I bet. It'll be hard for a while. But standing up for yourself is the best thing you could've done.

Good job!
 
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I'm sad that you have put so much into this friendship, just to see it come to this.

You're story is greatly appreciated, as I am sure that a lot of people have been used at one time or another by people they have loved.

Best of luck in life Brian! I hope that things will change between you and Andy. Hopefully he will realize what has happened and pay you back.

With a positive attitude, you can do just about anything!

Nate
 
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Hang in there, Brian. We're all pulling for you. You're getting stronger and stronger by the day, as is your resolve not to be a bank. Believe in yourself, and you will always do what's right.
 
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Actually Brian, you can't be a bank and that's all there is to it. Whether he's doing it intentionally or not, you can't do it. If he loves you as much as you love him he'll forgive you when he realizes it was the kick in the ass he needed. He can get a job, go on welfare, whatever...when I counseled you on how to work things out with him I didn't imagine way back then that you'd still be paying for him today.

It's suck, it suck it sucks it sucks...but I think you made the right choice. As always good luck, now more than ever.
 
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LostVegas said:
Yes this is ALL my fault for caring too much AND for falling for my straight best friend. So please I already know...that even thought Im bitching and ranting in this thread..that it really all comes down to me..and what I allowed to happen. Im in love with the wrong person..but that doesnt make me an idiot.

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Brian,

So, what is "your fault"?
Is it your fault you fell for Andy? No.
Is it your fault Andy went out to Vegas without you? No.
Is it your fault Andy loves you--misses being near you? No.
Is it your fault Andy depends on you for emotional support? No.
Is it your fault Andy hasn't gotten a job yet? Yeah, sorry buddy, but it's partly your fault. Every time you send him money, you're just putting of the inevitable--he will either have to get a job or move back to NYC. And you are prolonging your own turmoil and unhappiness.

The situation isn't going to change until Andy gets a shock--like going without electricity--and air conditioning--or going to bed hungry. And it's sad that his girl will have to go through it, too. I don't know which one of you that would be tougher on.

You have the right idea--no more money. You just need the will-power to stick to it.

You are not in love with the "wrong person." We can't decide rationally whether or not to fall in love with someone.

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(*W*)



Well..last night I called my buddy at 12:30pm my time.

Rang and rang. Left a message.

He called me back a few minutes later saying that he wasnt going to pick up the phone, that he is sad about a lot of things.

We talk for a little while.

I start to bring up some things. :corn:

Things that everyone has been telling me for years with Andy.

That money is a running theme in our friendship.
That we use each other as a crutch.
That the money needs to stop now, Im enabling him and its not helping him. :-({|=

He asked me if this is my therapist talking, and even though it wasnt..I said yes..he said well what else did this therapist say.

I told him theres stuff that is talked about, that I cant talk with him.

He asked me if it had to do with feelings for him..and I said some of it.

He asked me if me giving him money has to do with having feelings for him and he asked me if I gave him money in the beginning because I was into him :eek: ...I told him in the beginning, yes...but now its more of a brother in need.

He was getting down and said he was going for a walk. That he will call later...I kind of was tired so I said sure. *wave* :zzz:

Went to bed..naturally woke up and the first thing I think of is Andy didnt call...as SOON as I thought that a MILI-Second later he calls....cant tell you how many odd moments like that I have had with him.. :D

We talk.. hes down..Im not quite so down..My heart is going though. !oops!

Lately I have been trying to play therapist with him..to find out what is wrong.

I told him hes got a huge problem with guilt and dealing with things.,,and he agreed.

He said he is looking for a job..and that hes so very sorry he put me through this..and that when I told him earlier that I get mad sometimes when I give him money because hes out in Vegas living and doing what I want to do...he kind of understood.

He said I have been there for him so much..and that Im the only one who understands him...and that he misses me more then Ill ever know...(these are 2 things he always tells me) :(

Anyway he said he doesnt like my therapist and that hes trying to come between us..and that hes angry that Im out here and he cant control things with me...hes afraid we will drift apart..

I tell him "Bro, you think everyone WILL come between us....Matt..therapists...my family"

Anyway I cant tell you exactly what we talked about(I forget sometimes) but lately our talks have been understated with some things..I know for sure Andy knows Im still in love with him and have feelings for him. !oops!

And we are definitely making steps to talking about it openly...IN FACT hes very open to talking about..Im afraid to a little at this point...not afraid to tell him that Im into him, but afraid to go deeper with it. #-o

A running theme of my talk with him tonight was "Bro..you snapped at me last week almost over nothing..and you flipped big time...there has to be something behind that..whats worrying you...whats the real problem...talk to me"

He said that I was right and whats bothering him is his past...he said that he used to do bad things to people and this one incident sticks out..

I go ok...what type of bad thing...beat up...kill...what? :confused:

He said he beat someone else up to protect himself..because he used to keep money in the house and someone got wind of it...and the before this guy could harm him, he went and harmed this guy first..and beat him with a bat almost to death...

I was like ok...he kind of told me this before...and was joking with me.

So in my head Im like hmmmmmm...cuz you know me Im Angela Landsbury and Columbo wrapped up in a bit of CSI...Im pretty good at figuring things out.

And to be honest this just wasnt making sense to me. :confused:

I didnt react much to what he was saying other than to listen and say..ok keep going.

I then asked him..wait..so thats why you wanted out of NYC so bad because this guy is still alive and in NYC..he goes yeah..and thats where I think all these problems stem from now...

Hmmmmm... :bs:

I then go what about your family, girl, and friends..what about ME? Dont you worry over what might happen to us in a situation like this..he was thrown off guard...

I go bro, this really dont add up. [-X

He goes I know Bri...Im lying to you. :^o

I go..bro how did I SO know that you were lying to me ..how GOOD do I know you...he goes very well Bri...very well.

He goes I only told you that story..to see how you would judge me.

I go bro not only didnt I judge you based on what you said...but I knew you were lying and you admitted it and I still didnt care..

I found it kind of a cute moment that I knew him so well... (*8*)

Anyway he said his problem is me..that Im not out there..and that its killing him that we cant hang..and life sucks out there now. !oops!

He said he feels guilty about leaving...and he said "Bro..I would die for my girl...and I would never say that about someone else...or at least I thought I wouldnt..but I would die for you...without thinking about it.." :(

I go I know buddy..so would I. (*8*)

By this time its like 7am..and he was tired..so we agreed to speak later...he said to go suck on Matts dick...I was like bro...be good...we got to stop with the sex talk..and hes like is that another therapist telling you that?...and we just ended off on a laugh... :badgrin:

ttyl..will update soon.. ..|


PS.-My buddy has been like this though BEFORE we moved to Vegas..with the long talks and walks with me..his being in a bad place and him being depressed...I know hes down about me not being there..but I think his issues lie much deeper than that..and Im going to figure it out one day...ttyl


PS-2-And the fact that I knew he was lying..proved how well we know each other..I immediately thought he was lying to me...which is why a lot of you wonder why I keep having feelings for him or letting myself...because I think something else is up..either hes got issues with himself...OR hes done something that is bothering him...like I tell him many times...bro its really not all about work...or money too much..something else is going on here. :wave:
 
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Hey Bri. It sounds like you made some headway in opening up with Andy. ..| Keep it up, you'll feel better. Make sure you tell Andy that no one is trying to come between you two. (*8*)

Joe.
 
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Wow, Bri, your self-confidence seems to be growing by leaps and bounds! That is wonderful. I'm very happy for you.

I like how you're probing his background, too. It's an awesome testament to your relationship how you can tell when he is--or isn't--being honest with you.

Speaking of honesty, there is one thing I would suggest. Next time he asks, "Is this your therapist speaking?", tell him the truth: "No goddammit, it's me speaking! This is what I think!" Speak your mind, Bri. Let him know it's you talking and not your therapist.

If you expect him to be honest, you need to be honest with him. It makes your discussions more powerful when he knows it's coming directly from you and you're not aping the words of someone else.

Good luck. We're all pullin' for ya. :-)
 
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LostVegas said:
PS.-My buddy has been like this though BEFORE we moved to Vegas..with the long talks and walks with me..his being in a bad place and him being depressed...I know hes down about me not being there..but I think his issues lie much deeper than that..and Im going to figure it out one day...ttyl
You know Andy better than anybody here. You're right....he may have done something that's bothering him.

But I still think that maybe the thing that's bothering him is that he is having a hard time coming to terms with the idea that he is in love with you.

I mean, look at the way you two talk on the phone. People who are NOT in love with each other don't say the things you guys say. I think he may love you more than he loves his girl.

It won't be easy for him to admit to himself that he is in love with you. After all, he is basically a straight guy who is in love with another guy.
 
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Hey, Bri! :wave:

I'm thinking that Jake (and, for a longer time, Joe (CGHJ), may be onto something there! I'm thinking your Italian Stallion is having a mental conflict with his "suppressed" emotions toward You!

But ... I also think there may be something "more" going on with Andy! Something "older", something "deeper"! He may not be too happy with Himself, over many things! It could be a much stronger Self Perception "thing" going on with Him. He may be down that he isn't living up to his own expectations of Himself! The whole "bread winner", MACHO, thing that He is failing so miserably with! (And KNOWS it!)

Just a thought from one of your numerous "therapists" Here!

By all means ... keep up your "detective" work! There IS something "else" there!

Good Luck!!

And ... of course ...

Keep smilin'!! :kiss: (*8*)
Chaz ;)
 
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Evening guys...thank you all for your continued support, criticism and advice..it is much appreciated. ..|

Just wanted to drop in and say that the depression that I have been going through is lifting somewhat and Im glad thats going on. :o

I also just wanted to post that even though Im getting a little better, my love for my bro is something I have to deal with..and I will deal with it soon with him.

I also wanted to post how cool it is that Im able to talk about anything I want with him and nothing is off topic. :king: (!)

Will talk to you all soon...hope you are having a good weekend...its been raining here all day in Brooklyn....ttyl. Brian (UU) :band:
 
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Hey Bri keep it up with Andy. Your one good dude. :D Hey Bri I was wondering would you ever tell Andy about this thread. Just couris.
 
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Wow..been a while since Ive sen you on here LUV...how you doing man??? :wave:

I have been asked many times before by some of the JUBers...you share everything with your buddy..would you ever tell him of this thread? :confused:

or..

What if your buddy ever finds out about his thread?? :confused:

Well..as much as I share all with him..I think this is the one thing I wouldnt...there is a lot of stuff in here. Everything in here he already knows and has been a part of..I do think however he would be freaked out that Im discussing this in public and especially online.

I had a fear for a little while that he might stumble upon this..but then I thought its a gay site...I highly doubt that.

Then I thought maybe someone else might stumble upon it, perhaps someone that knew him or me..or both of us..and I pulled back from the thread.

But at this point I really dont care. You guys have been so good to me on here, that tis worth it.

I did make one mistake that I wish I could take back...I dont think I would have said my bros name on the thread..I kind of fucked up with that #-o ..and besides going back and editing a zillion posts...which is too daunting...I have no choice but to move on from it.

TTYL guys..brian

PS-Reading some of my older posts before I cam out and before I told him of my feelings. It is so odd to read...also reading the posts when my buddy first left in February....seemed like so long ago. !oops!
 
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Hey guys...hope all are having a good weekend. :-)

Im back with not really an update, just an observation.

Im missing my buddy tonight. !oops!

Im missing Las Vegas a lot too. :(

When I was out in Vegas my favorite time of day was right before it got dark(cool, windy days are my favorite days IMO)..so it was a mixture of light and dark..and the city lights were beginning to light up the night. I miss it there so much.

Thats really my favorite time of day anywhere. I was walking Dante tonight and it was around that time..instead of neon lights of casinos, it was the traffic lights and Pizza shops here in Brooklyn.....and I just thought about my buddy, about what we used to do when he was here...and when I was there in Vegas.

I will definitely call him later. (*8*)

Its amazing how much my gut hurts right now. I mean physically wrenches. Its such an odd feeling. :cry:


I find it amazing everyday that I can be missing someone..and someplace so much.

TTYL Guys...Brian
 
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Unfortunately Bri, your gut is going to keep hurting until you move to Las Vegas. Just keep talking with Andy... every day if you need to. It should help a little. (*8*)

Joe.
 
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Did not hear from my buddy all weekend. :(

I can only assume he was out at the casinos..but I dont like to let my mind wander. [-X

I called him around 5am my time...2am his time..something I never really do..but I was missing him. !oops!

I spoke to his machine 3 times..and right as I was out the door I got a call from him.

I told him Id call him back in 10 minutes..but my day got so hectic...I didnt get that chance. #-o

I get home..pop in a DVD, hoping to take a nap :zzz: ..when he calls.

We talk..its kind of the usual, he says he misses me..and I go I know...and he goes Bri, you cant even imagine how much I miss you...and I go Im pretty sure I can.

We talk about making it big in life and helping each other out.


I got to talking about my parents, who were at my school today to see the Talent Show me and my brother put on withthe kids..anyway a friend of mine who was/is into me sexually and as a person in general...jokingly went up to my parents and was very cool with them but jokes that me and her are soon going to get married :eek: ...my parents laughed it off but wondered.."Hey..WHY ARENT you interested in here? Shes a catch..what are you crazy??" :confused:

Anyway I told Andy this and I told him how sometimes it seems just so much easier to live the other life..and he goes well why dont you? why cant you? I told him because it would be unfair to the other person..plus I really dont FEEL anything to her...even though WE DO click on so many levels...I even told him she doesnt want kids, which is something Im on the fence about....and this is a girl whos like one of the guys, jokes around, takes a joke, talks about anything...She even asked me several times If I was gay..I told her no, but I think Im going to come out to her soon..

Anyway I got really down..and Andy, god love him, was trying to be there for me, but its one of those things where even though the person is trying to help you out it gets worse.. ](*,)

I told him he has it lucky..hes got people who love him and hes got a good wife and a nice future.

I told him how hard it is to find someone in the gay world...and how Im not into seedy bars..or desperate personals...

He asked me what exactly is it that turns me off to woman and on to men. He goes they both have mouths and an ass and a hole, a girl just has one more...he was trying to see what makes me like men..and I go bro its not like I say he has a cock and she has tits Im more into him...it just naturally happens...and he said ok, cool.

Im so tired..I need help..I feel alone and empty. :(

He said not to be ashamed that Im gay and that there is nothing wrong with you, it makes you even more different and special.

I am not afraid of people judging me. Im not a guy who NEEDS to go around announcing Im gay, yeah Im ok with it and proud to tell my buddy who I am, but no one needs to know save who I want to tell...

I asked him what hes up to tonight, and he said going to a poker tournament like the one we went to when you were here...maybe see some stars, etc..get some autographs...

And I was like cool..

And he goes how you feeling..and I went eh..He goes I was just kidding I wanted to see what you were going to say...I told him what did you think I would say..Im down that Im not there to do that with you..and he goes I know..and Im like so why did you say it..and he goes I dont know...

He goes we are so much alike...in fact we are exactly alike....except for one thing.

YOU ARE GAY AND I AM STRAIGHT, other than that we are the same.

My heart sunk...he just proved once again what an Idiot I have been.

Guys I seriously do need help.

Im in love with him and NOW I KNOW hes straight. I cant seem to get over this love for him. I need help. :help:

And I am asking you all...can anyone...ANYONE...give me some advice as to what to do to get over this??? Please?? :help:

He got call waiting a few times and was his mom, he said she can hold on, you are more important...then he got one call and said he had to take it..he called me back and said I know your not going to like this but I have to go...are you ok??? I go sure buddy IM FINE..and he goes I hate leaving you like this.. I MISS YOU...I LOVE YOU...I will call you later...

Please Im asking for help...I need to get over him. :help: !oops!

I plan on talking to him tonight.

I think sometimes I need to talk to him about it to get over it..but I think that might be dangerous to me..because I already know what hes going to say..I really dont know much else he can say besides...bro you just have to realize Im straight...

I know that..but I need more than that...and I dont know..This is truly not good for my brain or my mental health..I need to learn to get over him..Brian :cry:
 
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YOU ARE GAY AND I AM STRAIGHT, other than that we are the same.

My heart sunk...he just proved once again what an Idiot I have been.

Guys I seriously do need help.

Im in love with him and NOW I KNOW hes straight. I cant seem to get over this love for him. I need help.

Right, like the time he asked you point blank if you loved him and you said no? Neither one of you are able to be that honest with each other, I wouldn't take that at face value. I've said that to people, recently. I SAID IT TO A GUY I WAS HAVING SEX WITH (just cuz it was easier that way, trust me).

I've fucked STRAIGHT men who, just minutes before, said "nothing up my ass".

I had a straight guy come out to me on the phone last Thursday, wanted deep sloppy kisses, was reay to do anything I asked, even shave off his goatee so he'd look more like a marine for me. He's about 1000 times straighter than your buddy, trust me. And he was just as clear the week before that he was straight and not interested.

You have to go by actions, not words. What's their body language saying? Now, I have an advantage. The first time I met that guy I could tell that he was curious, in like 10 seconds. My GAYDAR is sharp, fast, and unbelievably accurate. If Andy was in front of me I could tell you in 10 seconds. But fortunately, I don't need to have Andy in front of me, I have like what a year's worth of posts from you to go by.

Now, the way to scare off a straight/bi guy is to tell him you're gay and in love with him. I wouldn't have counseled you to do that, but at the time you were about to lose your friendship, drastic action had to be taken. Then I counseled you to lay off, and just accept that he does love you. You could have everything you wanted if you'd just stop freaking out about it (sorry) and realize that it's already yours.

I mean, what do you want? To live with him? You can't even get to Vegas to live for another year. Trust me if you were living out there shit would just happen naturally. But it's distance (in miles) that separates you, not sexuality my friend. Most gay men with long distance boyfriends aren't as close as you two are. Do you want him to say "I love you and I want to be with you"? He has, a billion times over.

You can't fall in love over the telephone, talking about being in love with him will only freak him out. That business must be conducted in person!! But in the meantime you guys still coo like lovers, so what exactly is it that you're missing out on? That's a rhetorical question, I want you to contemplate that, not answer.

I can't tell you how many people have told me they were straight who turned out not to be. I mean really, Brian. You know better than that! I mean, you actually told him he wasn't your type once!

Now, shut up about being in love with him (to him, you can tell us about it all you want) and just roll around in the sugary sweetness you guys have for each other. When you're together and you've had a few beers it'll just come naturally. But it just has to happen, you can't talk it into happening.

How's the money situation?
 
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Hey Bro I was thinking of what to say. I don't know what. All I could think is you could stop talking to him. But I don't see that happening for one your to good a person to do that and 2 he seems like a good caring fun loving friend. ..| Which seems hard to find these days. You could try to find someone like him. But I doubt it. I can't think I just hate it when super cool dude is down. I just think you should try either go to las vages for a few days. Or take a vacation you seem like you could use one. I think deep down you won't ever stop loving as a lover. But if he is really stratight then dude you could still like a brother to him. I just think deep down he loves you. I hope some how this helps
 
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Hey back with an update... :-)

I called my bro at 3am last night and let it ring once(thats my code for him to call me :D ) and he was up and he called me right back.

He said its funny you called because I had the phone in my hand about to dial your number. (*8*)

I told him there are many things like that, that happen with me and him. (*8*)

Anyway to make this post not too long..to sum up..

I finally ended things with Matt...over the phone...chicken shit move? Maybe. But it was spontaneous. He didnt take it well and got very angry and said some hurtful shit.

My buddy said he missed me a lot more than Ill ever know.

He also said that me and him are different in terms of our happiness..he said Im looking for a partner and someone to share life with..and he said that doesnt matter to him, that he can NOT be with his girl and be just fine..

He said he wants me to move down there right now and this will solve many problems in his mind..and he said his new friends and old friends dont compare to me and its not the same.

He said hes willing to drive down here and drive me back. That he wont be able to take another year. He does not want a visit from me, he wants me to stay there.

We ended the call.

He called me at work. Said he was anxious and that his heart was beating. Said to please dont go, and stay on with him the rest of the day.

I told him Ill stay on as long as I could, and that I had 2 hours free.

Talked to him those 2 hours and many of the same things were said.

I then had to go and he got very angry and said WHY ARE YOU LEAVING ME?? DONT GO..PROMISE ME YOU WONT GO.

I checked my phone throghout the day. 16 missed calls :? ..on top of the 3 calls I was able to answer.

I had no choice after a while...I had to be in class.. *wave*

I got home...(HE JUST CALLED ME REAL TIME---..one second...)

Ok....BRO JUST CALLED real time AS I was typing this update. So this is a little update within an update...ok now Ive gone cross eyed. (*S*)

What I was saying before was that I got home chilled..Matt called...said some dumb shit again..got me crying..Andy called soon after..spoke to him..Matt kept calling while Im on the phone with Andy...I come back and tell Andy Ill call him back in a few..and he goes I AM NOT GETTING OFF THIS PHONE, YOU GO HANG UP ON HIM :grrr: ...I go and do just that...

Matt calls again....my buddy goes you know what..just take the damn call and call me back later... :(


I call him back an hour and a half later and leave a message...he calls me back few minutes later and he goes "Let me guess you are hanging out with Matt again...you seem to sound better and in a better mood, I know you like a book Bri.." Well, this one time...he was wrong. [-X

What he said during the call that came during my update, was that

He cant take this shit anymore.
Whats 100% bothering him is that I am not out there.
You are my brother, Im used to you, Im used to walking with you, going to the mountains and playing games with you. (*8*) !oops!

He then said that his lease is up in August...and if Im not out here by then he wants to come back here..he also said when his lease is up they will move into a 2 bedroom apt...and I can live there with them..and that then in a few years we can get a house and all live in it together..and eventually go an do our own thing after a few years..he said to think about it. :confused:

I said bro..I thought we discussed this..I would save up for a year...come out there to visit every now and gain till then...and he goes YOU KNOW WHAT, JUST GO..ILL CALL YOU LATER... :confused:

He goes Im not mad at you..Im just really sad. Im lost out here without you..he started to break down...we both said we miss each other and we will talk later.. !oops!

Brian..
 
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Oh and by the way the replies have been pretty cool...666 your post actually made me cry..

CG..LUV..nice to hear from you as always.

This is a shout out to lil C..if you are still reading, whats up buddy?? hope all is well..ttyl Brian
 
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