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Buddy and I talked and I told him that I wanted to take a break from talking for a few days or maybe a week or two to clear my head...needless to say this didnt go well...I didnt talk to him about what was bothering me and I should have but chickened out...he said if his name was Matt I would b talking to him..he said hes scared that Im changing...etc etc..I assured him its not the case..that im stressed and just need some time to figure it all out...

He called me a few days later(yesterday) and said he misses me and that hes not doing too good out there...he said hes got 60 cents to his name and he wants to give up..he said if Im not coming out there soon, that he wants to move back here....I wish he would...but I also dont want him to be down....I told him sometimes I think I get him down..and he said I dont, and that he thinks he gets me down....we both agreed to talk more soon..so Ill let you know how it all goes....ttyl guys..Brian
 
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Oh yeah...had my last class for this course today...did my presentation...and on the way out my professor told me I had an A for the class...

3 more courses to go baby!!!
 
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LostVegas said:
Oh yeah...had my last class for this course today...did my presentation...and on the way out my professor told me I had an A for the class...

3 more courses to go baby!!!
Congrats on the A.

You're almost there, buddy

(*8*) Jake
 
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Thanks man, its a pain in the ass..but its flying by...Brian
 
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Way to Go!, Brian!! :D ..| (group) :hurray: (!w!)

Keep smilin'!! :kiss: (*8*)
Chaz ;)
 
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good job dude
 
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for the A. A little sleep and horny lol.
 
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Hey Bri, congrats on getting an "A"! :hurray: You'll ace your next three classes. Keep us informed on how you do. :goodluck

Joe.
 
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Hello all. I have not had a chance to come online much at all in the past few days. It has been such a week of ups and downs. But mostly downs..my thoughts are all over the place right now and I dont know where to begin..as I cannot completely recall it all. :confused:

I think I last left off with me wanting to take a break from my buddy to clear my head...and he had called me several times after that to tell me he misses me, etc.

We had one very very good phone call during the week, where we openly talking about a lot of sexual things..he was asking me if I liked certain celebs compared to Nick Lachey..for example..whos hotter to you Nick or HHH..Nick or Tommy Lee...Nick or Etc.....He asked me that even he thinks Nick is small and would I still like him..He also asked me if I ever swallowed a guy..and I said yeah..and hes like aww bro..I cannot believe my friend is a cum guzzler..etc...and we talked about that..and he said he cant believe I dont have a gag reflex, etc, etc..we talked about a lot of things in that talk..and he said something that he likes when girls used to swallow him whole...so he says that maybe having no reflex is good to whatever guy Im with...

Then he made a I guess you can say impersonation of a gay guy, something he does with me on the phone...he'll say "Heeeeeeeeeeey.." like really effeminate...so I was like bro not everything is so stereotypical..like for instance your Italian and yet your not packing..and hes like bro Im packing..Im like bro you own wife made several comments about your not being hung well..and he said well she was just trying to get me mad...I go bro it wasnt even in a mad type situation she said it off the cuff..he goes well its not the size its what you do with hit..and then he goes let me stop talking about my dick..you might get too excited...That was one of our better phone calls...

Im not proud of some of the things I do in my life..Im certainly no angel and not perfect. To the knowledge of no one on the JUB...I have been still seeing Matt..and I last left off with that as being otherwise..I didnt want to keep writing about Matt and my experience with him for several reasons to which you will soon see...I apologize for not being truthful concerning that.

My buddy did know however, that I was still seeing him.

One night and I think it might have even been the same night of that first call...I said something that made my buddy get anxious and flip out. I casually mentioned that sometimes me and Matt talk about living together and eventually living in a house together, and sometimes we think about places to live in NYC...My buddy got incredibly angry and said how could I do this to him..we had plans to open a business and live together(he corrected, then said near each other)..and raise our families near each other...

Well that went on all night with him calling me several times in the AM....The last call for that night had him saying if he ever saw Matt he would beat the shit out of him...and there wouldnt be anything left...and how much I have changed for the worse since meeting Matt and how some guy that I have known for not even half a year is causing me to act different to a brother, who's friendship we both said would not be affected by anything..

The very next day(yesterday) I get a call from him on my cell saying that he is sorry for everything he said and that he shouldnt have said it and that he was just hurt..He said hes also sad because his girl has ben trying hard to arrange a wedding for cheap and that she researched and found one for like 2k(I admit when he talks marriage and wedding I get mad/jealous and zone out..But I try and be there for him)..that she told a friend about it there in Vegas and her friend basically copied the idea and said that she wanted to do it too...so my buddys girl was all in tears and my buddy said he feel like less of a man because he cant provide even the cheapest wedding for his girl..he said hes been looking for work..I said "so she copied the idea..I dont get it.."...My buddy kind of agreed and said to him its no big deal but its kind of a woman thing...

The he asked me if my mind about staying in NYC is settled..and I said that I need to get help mentally before Im able to think about Vegas and staying here would be good for me for now..and he totally felt sucker punched as he said and extremely hurt...he hung up with me to go cry..I called him to see if hes ok..he said he cant stand this constant change in me..one day Im all for Vegas..and sometimes im all for a life here in NYC...I told him I agreed with that and Im sorry..we wont talk about it anymore...

He said what kind of help do I need..I told him that lately I have been fucked up in my head...he asked me if it had to do with me having feelings for him..I said yes and some other things...

After a few minutes I started crying to him uncontrollably..he said tell me whats wrong..I know you want to tell me whats wrong....And for reasons that I dont know...my buddy simply asked me..."Is Matt abusing you?"...and that comment hit me like a sucker punch..and I started bawling like he never heard before...I told him Im a big guy I can handle myself..and that no one puts a finger on me...he goes is it mental abuse? Verbal abuse?....I broke down and told him that Matt gets in his tempers sometimes and gets volatile...and sometimes hes threaten to tell my family members about my sexuality..One of the sore points with me and Matt is that Im not at the same level as him in terms of his openness with family and others...I also told him that Matt has been frowning upon me eating good and that he encourages me to eat unhealthy stuff..meaning that he likes his men big like football players..

My buddy went off and said that he cant take hearing this shit and started to scream like I never heard him scream..he said "THIS IS THE GUY THATS SEPARATING OUR RELATIONSHIP AND FRIENDSHIP? THIS IS THE GUY THAT MAKES YOU HANG UP THE PHONE WHENEVER I CALL AND HES THERE....THIS IS THE GUY?"...He hung up the phone on me and said he had to go....

He called me back a little later saying that hes sorry and that I reminded him of his dad and it brought up bad feelings..He said "bro Ill have someone meet him at his home and hell never ever threaten you again or make you feel this bad..he will be too afraid to shit..Ill have a guy put a gun down his throat..He said he will gladly come down to NYC and do it himself..." He said right now Matt is using me for sex and he sees weakness in me that hes taking advantage of..he said to cut off all calls and no sex with him again..

He also said that eve if he told my folks, that its who I am..He said Brian...you are my brother..you are gay..so what?? You like men, thats your preference..you will meet a great guy, who is right for you..even if I have to go to the gay bars here with you and look for men..I will never let another person hurt you..and I want to see you happy..this is very hurtful to me..you have such a big heart and a lot to offer..."

Just about then I started to lose it....how can someone be this nice??? I told him thank you for always being there, no matter what.

He asked me if Im hanging with him soon..I said that I have today(6/14) off and Im going shopping to get some healthy food in the house..and that I have been eating bad for 3 weeks an it has put me back into full-on-depression mode...I told him and truthfully felt that I wanted to hurt myself as we spoke...and he hung on with me for a while....he called briefly later that night.

I woke up with a panic and I called him at 4:30am my time..because I was suicidal..I literally woke up that way(I had a dream that I was out with my buddy and girls were all over him and I was sitting alone watching it..)..I called him twice..n answer..left a message..now I was getting worse..he called back 10 minutes later saying he was sleeping, which I didnt buy and I knew he was out and it just got me worse...he said to always call and hed always be there...and this time he wanst...he was like bro I called you back only ten minutes later...in truth he was right..but I was just too down to feel anything right..I was numb...

I told him Im ashamed of how I look and that Ill never meet anyone, and that when Im with Matt I feel ok..but then I wonder if Matt leaves me..and he made me add some more weight..how no one else would find me attractive...we consoled me a lot..and said that he needs me to come out there and be near him..I can get help out there...and he would sit in on my sessions with me if allowed...we hung up later on and he called me back an hour later saying he cant sleep and he feels anxious...we consoled each other and hung up again.

I spent the whole day with Matt..he was driving me to places...bank, pharmacy, etc..then he dropped me off and I went shopping for healthy food..and then came home and passed out...missed a call from Andy...and decided to post here...I called a co-worker and asked her for her therapists number..I want to start therapy..I know now that my sexual feelings to Andy are wrong and they have to be stopped...He is straight and in a relationship..I also have to get therapy on why people always look for my weakness and prey on it or how I always let myself get attracted to the wrong people...I told hm back rather sarcastically I guess..that I put myself before otehrs, no matter who it is..and I need to stop, that all people in a way take advantage of my weakness and my goodness...and he goes I guess you mean me too right bro?

Lately after Matt has been leaving I throw up whatever I ate with him..if I could. I did it again today...I dont liek the deeling when I do it...it tightens my chest and it makes me thinkg that Im hurting my throat and my heart by doing this...I am not developing an eating disorder...I have been only doing this for a week.

Its easy to KNOW and RECOGNIZE my problems...I know what they all are..now I need help to get over them..Id even consider meds at this point..something I had always been against..anyway..will update you all soon, Brian.

Im embarassed writing this on here, most of it anyway...as Im writing it Im just picturing peoples reactions...and it hurts already because putting into words further makes me realize what an idiot I have been..I felt this way when I told Andy all this..I begged him not to tell his mother or girl about any of this.

I told Andy that I am fearful a little and that I will definitely end things with Matt slowly and at a good time..he said bullshit it needs to stop now..and that he wants to speak with Matt...I said that so not going to happen....anyway..I will be getting therapy to heklp myself, expecially with gettign over Andy in a healthy way.
 
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Brian....buddy,

Thanks for opening up to us. And thanks for being honest.

You may not realize this, but honesty is one of your many good qualities. You have been honest with us here on JUB. You have been honest with Andy about being gay. And you have been fairly honest with him about your feelings for him.

You know how good you felt after you came out to Andy. It lifted that incredible burden you were carrying. And Andy stood by you. You told him you had feelings for him. And Andy stood by you.

Andy's not going anywhere....he's your best friend/buddy/brother/soulmate for life. He has been there for you all along.....and he always will be there for you.

How do you think Andy would react if you were completely honest with him about your true feelings for him? Do you think he would react any differently than he has in the past? You were afraid of how he might react when you wanted to come out to him. But after you did, it brought you two even closer together.

Try telling Andy exactly what you feel for him. That will help to relieve you of that burden you are carrying....the burden of not having been completely honest with him. How many times have you written here on JUB that Andy asks you what is bothering you.....what is it that you want to tell him...what is it that you are keeping from him? Hasn't he said to you, "Just say it, bro....just say it!" And don't you always change the subject .....every time?

You're torturing Andy when you do that. He loves you and he wants to help you. And yet you won't let him. You're keeping a wall between the two of you....your relationship can never be complete with that wall there. Be honest with Andy.

As for Matt....are you happy with the relationship you two have as it is right now? Do you find yourself hoping that Matt will change? Do you find yourself trying to change into what Matt wants you to be? Ask yourself this question: If there were no such thing as sex--if sex did not exist, how would you feel about Matt? And how would Matt feel about you?

I realize that free advice is worth exactly what you pay for it, but here is a bit of advice, anyway. IF you decide you want therapy, don't go into it thinking it's going to "cure" you of your feelings for Andy. It can't do that. But it can help you see how you deal with those feelings. And as for meds, stay off them if it is at all possible.

JUB has been good therapy for you. From what you've said, you don't have many gay friends you can talk to. Don't forget that this thread has had 26,083 views and 794 replies as of today. There are a LOT of us you can talk to. We are here for you.

I disagree with you on one point. I don't believe that people always look for your weaknesses and prey on them. I think you are just so kind and good-hearted that you find it nearly impossible to hurt someone by saying "no". Kindness and good-heartedness are NOT weaknesses, my friend....they are two of the most valuable virtues there are. You just need to recognize those times when they cause problems for you.

(*8*) *R*
 
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I think it would be good to completely tell Andy what I think about him..he already knows that I have a crush on him and that Im in love with him...I think since I told him, its always in the back of his head.

Im not sure if he knows exactly why I love him or the magnitude to which my love for him has caused me unhappiness...and maybe telling him will help..I dont know.

As far as Matt..it feels good when we are together..and not just sexually...I guess in some ways Im hoping he will change, because on his good days hes a real cool guy to chill with and be around.

I dont talk to him like I talk to Andy...not by a longshot.

A part of me wants to be with Matt sometimes so it could take my mind off of Andrew...but sometimes it just makes me think about him more.

And as far as therapy and meds go..Im actually looking forward to seeing someone again..this time for much longer and this time being open and honest about my whole life, much as I have been here...Im hoping against all hope that therapy helps me out...I dont want to use meds at all..but at this point I think Ill try anything.

On a side note..I went to walk my dog Dante and I called Andy and his girl picked up..I said hello and she passed it to Andy..I talked to him for a bit and he said hes not doing well and hes feeling suicidal...he gets that way sometimes..He said he wishes we could do therapy together...I told him I miss him so much and he said the same..I told him Id call him later..and he said "Please?? Please call me later..I said sure buddy..you got it.."

Lucas thanks for the reply..Brian
 
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LostVegas said:
And as far as therapy and meds go..Im actually looking forward to seeing someone again..this time for much longer and this time being open and honest about my whole life, much as I have been here...
Good.....without honesty and openness, therapy is a waste of time and money.

(*8*) Jake
 
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Hey back with a late night update.


Me and my buddy talked, and while we both agreed that we are better than last night in terms of our mental state..we also concurred with each other that we are far from OK....So we talked..I told him about therapy...and he said well whats the difference, why dont you just tell me...

I said because I can get upset or angry or shout in therapy and if I did that with you, you might get hurt or angry yourself..so anyway..this might sound immature, but he said hes going for a walk...and when he gets back we are going to sort of ask each other questions like a therapist would...he said hes going to have lots of questions for me and for me to have as many for him...hes going to call back around 1 my time..I will let you know how it goes..ttyl..Brian

Ill be online till about 12:30pm eastern if anyone wants to hit me up with some advice or questions I could ask :corn:

PS-081591..thanks for your great post, I will try to answer all your questions shortly. :shamrock
 
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Bri, Dude! (Friend, Buddy, Pal ...) Listen, Man ...

Does Andy have internet access? SEND Him a link to this Thread! What a better way to let it all out?

So ... will that mean it might change things "Here" if Andy has access to this? Would that be a "Bad Thing", afterall? Would it maybe mean You/"Us" would no longer feel able to post Openly? Would it put some "bounds" on what Everyone's posting? Sharing our thoughts with You AND Him??

Maybe so! But ... and please think about this ... wouldn't it be better if "We" could talk to you Both?? Wouldn't it be better for Both of You to be able to get all this into the Open?

This Thread has been a kind of Therapy for all of "Us" ... not just You ... whether You realize that, or not! So ... wouldn't it be a "Good Thing" to get Andy "on board", too?? I'm thinking "We" could ALL be a Big Help to Each Other! Yes??

Oh ... it might prove Embarrassing! (For ALL of "Us"!) But ... I think "We" would ALL have to admit that "We" have been being pretty Honest "Here"! And wouldn't THAT be the Best Policy??

Just a thought, Bri! It would be a way of letting Andy KNOW for sure! And ... thinking about all this ... shouldn't He??

Keep smilin'!! :kiss: (*8*)
Chaz ;)
 
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Brian,

I just discovered this thread. It is unbelievable long considering when it was started and how many have since responded.

Gonna say it quick.

You gotta use brains in this.

It all depends on what you want and deserve in life. Andy and Matt will do whatever they think is right, and what they're wanting, but you gotta say to yourself: How much is my life worth to me?

I'd pick the healthier relationship. Or no relationship with either. You gotta be smart -- and ethical -- concerning yourself and these two men.

Good luck.
 
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Hey guys back with an update... :-)

CoolBlue..thanks for the great post..and advice. ..|


My phone call with Andy last night went very well. I told him that I wanted to come out there and be friends like we used to be...where we would hang. :D

Me and my bro..when we were out there last together..had money saved and we lived off of it..and sort of lived like we had the good life..and we really did..I told him that this time around we can save and make so much more and do that..and we can hang 24/7 and have the friendship and the life that we used to have... :D

He said hold on and he went to the bathroom and he started to cry some...he said that meeting me as a friend and the times we share and continue to share together rank up there if not beat the time he will get married and even the birth of his first kid(his words)...When he says stuff like that its kind of hard for my heart not to melt !oops! (*8*) ...He said he was getting goose bumps talking to me.. :D

Later on though I mentioned my plan and he started to get extremely down..I told him I want to move out thee next August...I will have saved a bit o money, finished school for good..and be ready to move...I told him I would love to buy a new car..and live for a while off of some money and chill and dabble into maybe massage school and real estate...I also told him it would be cool if I can get a teaching job before I come out there and that I will do that too...

He got down bout the time frame...he got down about to work in the next year before I come out there...I asked him straight up would he continue not working if he could until I get out there and he said yes...he said he misses the days that I came over and slept in his living room with him after playing games and watching movies..he said he missed when we were both down or had anxiety and how we used to comfort each other and fall asleep just talking each other out of it.. !oops!

We ended the call a short time later...I have to agree I feel a lot more confident in my plans...I also want to start working on my health to make me feel better. Im healthy but I want to start working big time on my looks. :gogirl:

He asked briefly about Matt then dropped the subject, as he was much more happy and focused on what I was talking about. :D

He called briefly today but I was with Matt..I did stay on with him for a few and said we will talk later...update you all soon..Brian :D
 
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Hey Brian! Haven't chatted with you much recently. It's great to hear that you're feelng a little better since your previous post. (*8*) Glad to hear that you've decided to still go to Vegas. You'll meet some nice guys out there ;)

I gotta say that you're a smart guy... a strong guy... and you know what's right for you. You're on the right track. You may take one on the chin every once in a while, but hey, that's just a little taste of life. ;)

Stay happy bro.

Joe.
 
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Brian, I haven't posted in ages, but I haven't had anything really to add. I'm glad your outlook is much more positive and that you're in a better frame of mind.

And just to respond to a few of your earlier posts, though you love Andy, you can't sacrifice your happiness to please him. It's not fair to you. So, I'm glad that you and Matt are still together.

Good luck with your second Masters...I'm still working on my frist.:clown:
 
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