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Undying love for my best friend...please read(long

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He talked about how much he missed me, how he cant take being apart anymore, how this whole thing is ridiculous and how he absoultely can't move on without me.

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.. and Andrew told me, "Well he sounds pretty gay.." I found that interesting that hes telling me who sounds gay lol.

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He put on some song by P.Diddy, "Ill be Missing You", and played some lyrics over and over and said, "I think of you all the time when I hear this part."

:corn: The plot thickens ... Bri, I'm gonna have a major orgasm the day this guy comes out! :rotflmao: He really needs your friendship, as you're his only support system for this hidden part of his life and he feels less alone.
 
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Talked to him very shortly. He said that he feels his body weakening everyday and that he would rather be beat up everyday and have people physically beat the crap out of him than go through this pain that hes going through. He said he thinks his problem is that he cares too much....he said he would try and call later..

Vegas
 
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Last night me and Andy had some more nice calls with each other. All the expected stuff was said. We talked each other to sleep once again on the phone. There was about 25 minutes where we just listened to each other, with no talk between us. I awoke to hear him snoring, told him I loved him and hung up.

I took off from work today and I found out so did Andy.

We talked on and off all day with the usual stuff said.

I relaxed today, went out and got me a toy to make me happy...got me the Sirius Stilletto portable satellite radio system so I can finally listen to Howard Stern again, and I love all the features it has.

Will update you guys soon...Brian
 
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omg, how is your phone bill?
 
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omg, how is your phone bill?

We live in the era of unlimited nationwide calling and broadband telephones ... this is hardly an issue anymore for people who call out of state all the time! I'm sure Bri is on top of this (no pun, man!) ;)
 
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Ok, how is it going guys? Hope all is well in JUB Land...hope you weekends are going well...|

Ok I was on the phone with Andy two nights ago, everything is going sweet as pie....same shit said to each other...then his girl interrupts our conversation and he tells me to hang on. I hear them talking about finances and about how much they have saved, etc, etc. Andy says to her, "Alright, I guess we can do fondue night tomorrow.."

I got down after hearing this, because this just cemented how much they are a couple and how sometimes I fail to realize this. :cool:

Andy heard that I got down and he asked why. I said hearing you guys reminds me of all the things I wish I had. You are starting with your lives and you have each other...you are very lucky. It only reminds me sometimes why I think its better to stay in NYC. Needless to say he got VERY down after I said this. !oops!

This got m thinking, that no matter how sweet and emotional Andrew is with me, that hes IN a relationship with his girl and he is straight. :cool:

He called me last night all sick and about how much anxiety and depression he has..and that hes afraid of getting more sick or he would miss work, to which he responded that ultimately he didnt care. I wasnt cold to him but I didnt really revel in the sweet talk like I always do. I cut the talk a little short. :(

Ok in March Andrew starts to pay rent, becasue his mom and her boyfriend are moving back to Texas.

I asked him what hes going to do then, stay there or find another place...his answer was, "Well it all depends on you..."

I am in a little situation here.

I have a big decision to make, and I need honest answers. I know ultimately its MY decision, but I would like you guys to put yourselves in my shoes as much as you can and tell me what you would do.

Ok here are the choices:

In the Summer of 2007 move back to Las Vegas:

Pros: 1)I will be near Andrew again, and have our friendship the way it was.
2) I can 99.9% be assured to get a job teaching.
3) I would be a nice change of pace.
4)I would have neough save up by then to move back out there.

Cons: 1)I will be paid considerably less for teaching Las Vegas.
2) It might be harder to meet guys in Vegas, the gay scene is not that great, and what there is is just endless clubs/bars.
3) I will be paying rent.

Remain in NYC:

Pros: 1)No rent
2)Paid more
3)Easier to save up money
4)Im used to it here
5)Dont necessarily need a car
6)Bigger/better gay scene here in NYC

Cons: 1)No Andrew
2)Very little if no friends
3)Lonely sometimes


I kind of know that I need to do. I dont know 100% though. :confused:

I am really torn up about making the decision to stay, even though that seems to be the way to go. The only hope I have of having Andy back, is if when I do stay here, is if he gets so lonely for me he decides to come back. Something he said he would have to do if I didnt move there to Las Vegas. :confused:

What do you guys think I should do. Please back up what you guys answer, ok? :confused:

I would really appreciate all answers and advice given. :confused:

Vegas...Brian :cool:
 
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Stay in NYC. I wouldnt move for a man who is already taken. A straight man. You'll never be able to find someone else if you have Andrew keeping you all to himself.
 
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Well XY and everybody else....in no way was any of those decisions above based on my assumptions that Andrew is gay...if you read carefully you would have saw that I typed

"I got down after hearing this, because this just cemented how much they are a couple and how sometimes I fail to realize this."

I know Andy is straight ok...its hard sometimes to think he is with what he tells me....but I know hes straight. He tells me he is straight, so I have to respect that.

Im really worried about our friendship. We both dont want to have kids that grow up not knowing us.

I dont want to meet a lover without having Andy involved in my life, we would miss out on so many things and times shared.

Our friendship will NEVER EVER die, we both know that...no matter what....but we both admit, living in different states...its very different from what it once was...and we are both worried about that.

So that being said, let the responses continue.
 
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Ya but youre moving there because of Andrew no?

And I never said he was gay.
 
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Well, since you asked....

My concern for you, Brian, is if you move to Vegas how happy would you be watching someone you love have everything - wife, family, best friend, etc. - that you want and can't have with him? I don't mean to be negative, as I've been reading this thread since the beginning and hoping Andy would fall in love with you. Does he love you? Yes. Is he IN LOVE WITH you? Only he can answer that, but it's a huge difference. Just take that into consideration when making your decision.

When you're in love with someone and they are a close friend who loves you, rely's upon you emotionally the way Andy does and spends as much time with you (even on the phone) as he does, it's a relationship. But I think it's a relationship that is incomplete for YOU and leaves you constantly craving something he can't/won't give. So, my two cents is only move to Vegas if he's willing to be with you completely, otherwise, build a complete life for yourself here. And if he moves back here, don't let him be your entire world unless he's willing to make a commitment that gives you ALL that you want.

Hope that makes sense and hope you know that there are bunches of us here that are really hoping you find happiness, because we believe you deserve it.
 
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Thinking of moving there because of his FRIENDSHIP...Yes.

I appreciate your contribution though XY.


Thanks Tommy, for the advice. It certainly makes sense. Its just that its so hard not to have his friendship around. I mean really, really hard. If I stay here in NYC, Im gunna need to muster of strength like I never had before.

Thanks Tommy, xoxoxoxoxxo

Brian
 
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I certainly understand that you miss his friendship. From what I've read, he really was the largest part of your life when he was here and remains so, even in Vegas. It's wonderful to have a friend like that as long as you're not in love with them.

But you are in love with him and what I hear in your voice (as much as I can hear over the internet) is that you're hurting a lot and that's the part that's not cool. Rather than a pro/con list of whether or not to move to Vegas, maybe just make a list of what YOU want long term and what's best for YOU. Really think about if you can be happy being in love with someone that is married to someone else.

Personally, I'd rather see you meet a nice guy here, build the life YOU want, and then integrate Andy back into it if/when he returns as an addition to your full life, rather than the focus of it.

And live happily ever after! xoxoxoxoxox
 
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Hey Bri,

Well, as far as your question: Las Vegas vs. NYC ... given your circumstances I would have to vote for staying in NYC, with the option of visiting Las Vegas more frequently. People do that all the time (even NYC / LA / NYC) and they are not just celebrities or affluent people doing this.

You have a career in NYC in which you have a potential for growth and pays you well. You would essentially be starting over tenure-wise in a new city and like you said, for less pay. You also don't pay for housing now and if I am correct you'll soon have real estate in your name which will no doubt skyrocket in value again within the next few years - don't underestimate owning NYC property! You're in a very comfortable position to continue forward with your life. And as far as your social life, you cannot get any better than NYC for that (I know that now that I am in FL - but got lucky finding a wonderful BF here), and it is up to YOU to take advantage of its rich resources. If you're not doing well with this issue in NYC, how would Las Vegas be any better?

I have also wondered: having Andy nearby if you did move back to Las Vegas ... how would he feel actually seeing you dating another guy? If I remember correctly, you didn't really date anyone else while he was in NYC - so he never got a taste of that reality. I would think his jealousy would begin to affect any deep attachment you would want to develop with a potential mate (and I don't have to reiterate my feelings about Andy, which I have oh-so-beaten like a dead horse on here).

If you ultimately feel moving to Las Vegas will be the best decision, I would recommend at least flying there once a month for a few months before your anticipated move date so that you can start to get a feel for the place again, especially being around Andy more. I just hope that your visits are more productive than Andy's visit to NYC was. And now that Andy lives with his fiancee I wonder how much quality time you two will be able to have without his fiancee's increased scrutiny.

I just noticed Tommy said it best in one sentence: Personally, I'd rather see you meet a nice guy here, build the life YOU want, and then integrate Andy back into it if/when he returns as an addition to your full life, rather than the focus of it.

Just my scattered thoughts ... in the end I and many others here will support your decision either way knowing it was completely thought out. (*8*)
 
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Most of my thoughts have already been stated nicely, so I'll just add a little.

If you have anything resembling a Spring Break, and can visit Vegas, do this: find a really hot, sweet guy, someone you'd have trouble keeping your hands off. Take him with you to Vegas. Do things with Andy as couples.
And observe. How he reacts will tell you a lot about which option to take.
 
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If you have anything resembling a Spring Break, and can visit Vegas, do this: find a really hot, sweet guy, someone you'd have trouble keeping your hands off. Take him with you to Vegas. Do things with Andy as couples. And observe. How he reacts will tell you a lot about which option to take.

Kulindahr - excellent suggestion! ..|
 
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Without a doubt stay in New York. The other posters have given the reasons for staying in New York. Two of your three cons for staying can be addressed with a little effort on your part. You just need to get involved with some gay groups with activities that interest you. You are bound to make friends. With more friends you won't be lonely.

I am concerned that you put so much into your friendship with Andy that you neglect forming friendships with other people. This just isn't healthy for you. Andy certainly can remain your best friend and an important part of your life, but he shouldn't be the sole focus. A while ago you mentioned going back to counseling. If you haven't done that, you should before making a decisions. Let a professional work through the issues with you so that you can make the best choice. I would also recommend that you print this entire thread and give it the therapist. A few hours reading this could save you months of therapy.
 
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I asked him what hes going to do then, stay there or find another place...his answer was, "Well it all depends on you..."

I am in a little situation here.

I have a big decision to make, and I need honest answers. I know ultimately its MY decision, but I would like you guys to put yourselves in my shoes as much as you can and tell me what you would do.

Ok here are the choices:

In the Summer of 2007 move back to Las Vegas:

Pros: 1)I will be near Andrew again, and have our friendship the way it was.
First things first, Andy is putting you in a terrible position. He knows how much you care for him and he is using that to get the "loan". If Andy wanted to, I am sure that he could borrow the money from elsewhere (ie. family, banks, credit institutions). This is emotional manipulation of the worst kind. You need to realize that.

Secondly, the friendship will never be the same. Once you told him you were gay and have feelings for him, things changed. Also, he has a fiancé and will be getting married...do you really want to be around them all of the time when they are married? Also, the time and distance has made you grow apart...you have become more in touch with your sexuality and are finishing your education while he has apparently remained rather stagnant. I think you have realized this because everytime Andy is around it doesn't go well. It always seems rather anti-climactic when you see him.

I don't want you to forego everything you have built up in NY hoping that things will work out in Vegas. You deserve a life for yourself and let Andy figure out his sexuality. I know that you will always love him...that is what makes it so hard for you. However, you are strong enough to move on and build healthy relationships with other guys and I know that you will find somebody that will make you weak in the knees again. You need to remove your "Andy blinders" and see the amazing opportunity that you have in NY and then things will come. If Andy admits to himself that he is gay and comes back to you, it will be up to you to decide if you want to go further in the relationship.

Take care...
 
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Wow, what great advice:D . Truly. You have all pretty much said what I was pretty much thinking. I guess I just really needed to hear it.

The only thing I do disagree with is the statment someone made that me and Andy's friendship has changed...and that somehow, after I came out and professed my love for him that things changed...when indeed they just stayed the same, if anything we got much much closer.

I mean to be honest, if your very best and closest friend tells you hes gay AND into you, do you keep saying sweet shit to him over and over. Do you spend hours on the phone? Do you keep saying that you cant move on with your life without that gay friend whos in love with you? :confused: Not really. In fact what a friend in that situation would normally do, is back off for a bit from the friendship to let things settle. If anything, the situation got more intense.

All of these things got me so confused. But like everyone said here, unless Andrew is willing to live a life with me(assuming for some reason hes gay), then I cant put everything on hold for him.

After I posted, I kind of made the decision to stay here. Everything is just in my advantage right now. And like it was said, I can always go visit him many times of the year, especially with a teachers' schedule.

Plus we are not counting the fact that this all may not be for good. He may move back here in a year or two, or in a few years I might decide to move there(hopefully with a willing partner, and plans for a house!!-hope thats not all just a dream).

I went to bed last night with a clearer head.

Andy called me 4 times but I didnt hear the calls. I later saw on my ID. Another call by him did wake me up and I answered it. I answered it because Andrew and I hardly speak to each other on Saturday nights, so I knew something had to be up.

He asked me right off the bat, "Bri, I need to know your plans.."

I kind of told him for the most part I am thinking of staying here. I told him sometimes I do think of moving there, but right now, its in my best interest to stay here for a while.

He said hes so fucked up in his head its not funny. He said there are no words to describe what hes feeling and what hes going through.

He said he tried to go skiing with his girl and one of his friends but he ended up calling it an early day because he was thinking about me. He said his girl and his friend noticed thet he was down, but they dont know why. He also said he tried to see a move with his girl(Turistas) but he was so down over the situation, he stayed in.

We talked and joked a little more. We talked about anything from movies, games, to cute guys I saw in the mall last night.

We started talking each other to sleep and he said hes going to go try to sleep.

He calls me back 30 minutes later. And I hear wind in the speaker of the phone. So I know hes out walking or driving.

I asked where he is and he goes Im out walking, I just had the biggest panic attack and I tried to go to *******(his girl) to talk and to feel better and she just rolls over and told me to get over it.

"This is the piece of shit Im marrying?? There is going to be no marriage if shes going to be like this...she talks about get a job, be a team player...how when shes never fucking there for me?? Fucking bitch.."

At this point she came out of the house screaming his name...I told Andy that maybe she was just real tired from the day and to try and go talk to her, and that they shouldnt go to bed on that note. He kept cursing her out and he told me he would call me later if he needed m to talk.

We hung up..an I went to bed.

But yeah, thank you all for the advice. Its cool that you guys cared enough to write all that out...(*8*) ..|

Thank you all for the continued support...Vegas
 
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Youve been my golden best friend
Now with post-demise at hand
Cant go to you for consolation
Cause were off limits during this transition

This grief overwhelms me
It burns in my stomach
And I cant stop bumping into things

I thought wed be simple together
I thought wed be happy together
Thought wed be limitless together
I thought wed be precious together
But I was sadly mistaken

Youve been my soulmate and mentor
I remembered you the moment I met you
With you I knew gods face was handsome
With you I suffered an expansion

This loss is numbing me
It pierces my chest
And I cant stop dropping everything

I thought wed be sexy together
Thought wed be evolving together
I thought wed have children together
I thought wed be family together
But I was sadly mistaken

If I had a bill for all the philosophies I shared
If I had a penny for all the possibilities I presented
If I had a dime for every hand thrown up in the air
My wealth would render this no less severe

I thought wed be genius together
I thought wed be healing together
I thought wed be growing together
Thought wed be adventurous together
But I was sadly mistaken

Thought wed be exploring together
Thought wed be inspired together
I thought wed be flying together
Thought wed be on fire together
But I was sadly mistaken
 
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Bri,

What I am about to say might hurt but let me be honest with you. This guy Andy has read you in and out and knows how to emotionally manipulate you. I DO NOT like the way he brings up FINANCE related stuff every now and then.

I think you are smart, caring and a wonderful person. Anyone will be lucky to have you. Just go out there and find someone and I am sure you will. Just get out of this shit before you end up in a deep hole.

I think you are madly in love with this guy and he knows it. Accept this, and realise that things will never happen between you both. The sooner the better and oh! BTW, DO NOT MOVE to VEGAS.

Just another thought.
 
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