US Withdrawal from Afghanistan

[TX-Beau]

Re: Political Cartoons, Memes & Amusing Videos

You are avoiding the point that the true problem with the Western intervention in Afghanistan was its being pointless.

Sorry to disappoint you, I agree it was pointless, I would have told you that back in 2001.

The point still remains, that there is a line where one has gone beyond valid criticism and into histrionic ridiculousness.

 

[belamyi]

Re: Political Cartoons, Memes & Amusing Videos

Sorry to disappoint you, I agree it was pointless, I would have told you that back in 2001.

You mean we would have agreed on that back in 2001.

I sense everything on which we agree about almost anything: I merely remark the "points" in which I keep making sense, while you quit on trying to do so.

 

[belamyi]

Re: Political Cartoons, Memes & Amusing Videos

The point still remains, that there is a line where one has gone beyond valid criticism and into histrionic ridiculousness.

Which was the decision in 2001 to invade Afghanistan or, rather, to take over from where the Russians had left it... like the USA did in Vietnam after the French: look at wildly capitalist Vietnam today after the communists won.

I am not implying the course in Afghanistan will be the same, I have said it is too late for that: I am only saying that, just like you have worded it, you can make "valid criticism" without falling into the "histrionic ridiculousness" of country-saving wars... the added fail of what has happened in Afghanistan is that it was of the interest of the Western powers only in an indirect way: they thought there was a threat there (the whole world is plagued with threats to the Western world, the biggest ones -and that is no exaggeration- coming from inside the Western world itself) for their own countries, and assumed that sloppily concocting a friendly presidential regime there ignored, when not hated, by the rest of the country, they could neutralize that threat.

They did not even bother to do that properly, like they used to do in the Cold War decades: you set an iron-fisted dictator who would keep at bay the threatening part of the population of that country.

 

[TX-Beau]

Re: Political Cartoons, Memes & Amusing Videos

You mean we would have agreed on that back in 2001.

I sense everything on which we agree about almost anything: I merely remark the "points" in which I keep making sense, while you quit on trying to do so.

the points on which we agree at this point in this apparently pointless conversation are in fact beside the point.

 

[belamyi]

Re: Political Cartoons, Memes & Amusing Videos

the points on which we agree at this point in this apparently pointless conversation are in fact beside the point.

You mean you have reached your own point of histrionic ridiculousness

 

[belamyi]

Re: Political Cartoons, Memes & Amusing Videos

Let's conclude on the "point" at the start of this exchange that I would not be any less "dead" or threatened if I were dropped out of the blue RIGHT NOW in Kabul than I would be in Colorado Springs, and that if an American contractor can find "hope" and "opportunity" in a Taliban-ridden country, then anyone else can.

 

[belamyi]

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All rgiht, I forgot the final, mani part of that composite "point": let's stop pretending this is all about defending the fairest regime of them all, and fighting the bad guys, because nobody actually cares about bad regimes or people anywhere unless you find yourself obsessed with bad-managed fear of them: the last Afghanistan "not-war" war is the story of very sloppily managed political fears.

 

[rareboy]

According to statements so far from UK and US, not sure if they want Afghanistan to be a successful country.
Probably not because they despise Russia and China, and don't want Russia China to succeed.

Would you please start providing real, verifiable sources for the opinions you post in CE&P, please.

 

[unloadonme]

According to statements so far from UK and US, not sure if they want Afghanistan to be a successful country.
Probably not because they despise Russia and China, and don't want Russia China to succeed.

The UK government is ambivalent about Russia and China. They disagree politically, especially when it comes to human rights, but don't let that get in the way of trade which is increasing. If the UK didn't want Russia and China to succeed, surely the first thing would be to cut off trade.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7379/

https://www.great.gov.uk/markets/russia/

 

[Telstra]

Would you please start providing real, verifiable sources for the opinions you post in CE&P, please.

I listened to Domonic Raab, quite a nasty piece of work, you can google his name.

 

[Telstra]

I listened to long form from the people who experienced Afghanistan first hand,
not the ''news'' afew seconds of mind numbing shock constantly repeating on TV

 

[unloadonme]

I listened to Domonic Raab, quite a nasty piece of work, you can google his name.

No need. He's the Foreign Secretary. What exactly has Raab said which in any way supports your claims?

 

[Telstra]

^ according to US soldier in Afghanistan, the US is at fault in the video ...

 

[Telstra]

No need. He's the Foreign Secretary. What exactly has Raab said which in any way supports your claims?

His speech are full of ''thoughts and prayers'' like, ZERO substance, like big infrastructure projects ... etc
Thats why i have negative opinions of such people.

 

[unloadonme]

His speech are full of ''thoughts and prayers'' like, ZERO substance, like big infrastructure projects ... etc
Thats why i have negative opinions of such people.

Waffle maybe, he's a politician after all, but does any of that justify the suggestion that he's "quite a nasty piece of work"?

It seems to me that your claims are what have "zero substance".

 

[Telstra]

post 91, at 17.00 in the video
US gave money to the Taliban every Friday during the war, wow this is a comedy better MASH LOL

 

[unloadonme]

post 91, at 17.00 in the video
US gave money to the Taliban every Friday during the war, wow this is a comedy better MASH LOL

I just listened to that. I think they're talking about Iraq rather than Afghanistan.

 

[Telstra]

I just listened to that. I think they're talking about Iraq rather than Afghanistan.

No, in Afghanistan, i think its at 15.00 or earlier,
every Friday the Taliban lining up as ''workers'' (pretend work) to collect money from the US LOL this is hilarious.

post 91, us army Major Danny (got phd) said Gen. David H. Petraeus is a snake oil salesman, at 45.40

post 91, at 53.00, US military corruption ...

 

[Telstra]

How can you tell a major ethnic group of Afghan from Southern European ? I cannot.
At 0.09 below:

 

[belamyi]

^ Happens to rosy Anglos as well. And when they do tell, they still consider them all the same, like when Carmen Miranda was Brazilian, Mexican or Argentinian at the same time.

Try telling apart American-born citizens from any European people from which they descend. Even the fatness, the gym-swollenness or the crappier fashions would not suffice in most cases.