On-Topic WH Admits it Lied About All People Being Able to Keep Their Health Insurance

[Jack Springer]

Presidents are never actually in charge, the bureaucracy is. That's been shown under several presidents, including Nixon, who have tried to get control of the federal bureaucracy. Unless they just shut down entire departments, the bureaucrats continue to do things as they please.

We currently have the Obama Administration who controls the federal bureaucracy. They are in charge of what goes on -- if they aren't, we have an even more serious problem.

 

[Jack Springer]

From the Washington Post . . .

Source Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-that-no-one-will-take-away-your-health-plan/

The Pinocchio Test
The administration is defending this pledge with a rather slim reed — that there is nothing in the law that makes insurance companies force people out of plans they were enrolled in before the law passed. That explanation conveniently ignores the regulations written by the administration to implement the law. Moreover, it also ignores the fact that the purpose of the law was to bolster coverage and mandate a robust set of benefits, whether someone wanted to pay for it or not.

The president’s statements were sweeping and unequivocal — and made both before and after the bill became law. The White House now cites technicalities to avoid admitting that he went too far in his repeated pledge, which, after all, is one of the most famous statements of his presidency.

The president’s promise apparently came with a very large caveat: “If you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan — if we deem it to be adequate.”

 

[chuck10x]

It's not up to individuals as to whether they can afford their own health care.

It's up to each of us as to whether we can afford a new car, or a vacation, or a home reno, or dinner out at a fancy restaurant. But the basics of whether we live or die or suffer without treatment, that's a shared responsibility.

I went to the website for estimates on plans, They added a Catastrophic plan, it isn't even as good as the Bronze, Cost is $291.00 for single coverage, Platinum Premium is over $800.00.
Family coverage is much more expensive.
One flaw in your assumption is that people will not get treatment if they do not have insurance, (they will suffer or die)
Many people will take that chance for the same reason they do not currently have insurance, " They can't afford it".
The policies that are being canceled on Dec 31st, Did not have among other things, Maternity care, Birth Control, prescription coverage, etc. What if they do not need them?

 

[chuck10x]

No -- he just didn't tell the whole truth. The clause he didn't mention was that insurance companies could wipe out policies if they wanted, and that would kill some people's insurance.

And of course that's exactly the way Republicans want it -- they don't want government interfering with profits. So while Obama was not entirely truthful, it's ironic that what he didn't tell us is what the GOP approves.

Omission of the truth is a worse lie, Just out today is the fact that Obama knew those insurance policy's would be canceled from the beginning. The ACA has a built in Profit margin, 80% must go to actual care, Something to think about when they need to raise prices

 

[Kulindahr]

We currently have the Obama Administration who controls the federal bureaucracy. They are in charge of what goes on -- if they aren't, we have an even more serious problem.

We've gad that "more serious problem" since Nixon.

 

[Jack Springer]

Compilation of Obama promising people they could keep their health care --- does not include any "if's".

 

[Rolyo85]

Compilation of Obama promising people they could keep their health care --- does not include any "if's".

YouTube Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGAdrQ2RpdM

And yet the world keeps turning. Obama won't be impeached, Hilary's chances won't suffer, and worst of all - people who would have remained uninsured, will still have healthcare.

"YOU GET NOTHING. GOOD DAY, SIR!"

 

[Kulindahr]

Compilation of Obama promising people they could keep their health care --- does not include any "if's".

And the pilot of an airplane doesn't list all the "ifs" that could make it so the plane doesn't actually reach Honolulu at its appointed time, either -- those things are taken for granted. Given that the White House explained that companies could end policies any time they wanted, it's apparent that Obama assumed we were all bright enough to understand the "ifs" when he spoke.

 

[opinterph]

Given that the White House explained that companies could end policies any time they wanted, it's apparent that Obama assumed we were all bright enough to understand the "ifs" when he spoke.

That assumption might be giving more credit than is due. While it is true that the exceptions were presented very soon after passage of the ACA and there were adequate opportunities for public comment before the rules were adopted, most people don’t pay attention. They typically only hear the slogans and catchphrases.

MR. MCLAUGHLIN: Three days before Congress voted to pass the Affordable Care Act in 2010, President Obama told Americans, who wanted to keep their health insurance, yes, you can. In the following three and a half years, Mr. Obama and administration officials repeated this promise, so many times that the White House website, WhiteHouse.gov, now has 102,000 matches for the words, quote, "You can keep your insurance," unquote.

The McLaughlin Group (transcript) (Broadcast: Weekend of November 2-3, 2013)

 

[Jack Springer]

And the pilot of an airplane doesn't list all the "ifs" that could make it so the plane doesn't actually reach Honolulu at its appointed time, either -- those things are taken for granted. Given that the White House explained that companies could end policies any time they wanted, it's apparent that Obama assumed we were all bright enough to understand the "ifs" when he spoke.

You're joking. You're going to defend Obama? We have a right to take a person at his word.

Parsing every comment shouldn't be necessary.

 

[Sausy]

The White House should fire Carney as its spokesman...dissembling like we've seen here would make Bill Clinton himself proud... or to be charitable, utterly oblivious and clueless.

 

[chuck10x]

No -- he just didn't tell the whole truth. The clause he didn't mention was that insurance companies could wipe out policies if they wanted, and that would kill some people's insurance.

And of course that's exactly the way Republicans want it -- they don't want government interfering with profits. So while Obama was not entirely truthful, it's ironic that what he didn't tell us is what the GOP approves.

Funny you should mention that.
I'm beginning to hear from people with High Risk Insurance policies due to a pre - existing condition are being cancelled and told to sign up with the exchanges. The prices being quoted are only estimates and will be adjusted according to your personal medical history. Also, Those Lousy Insurance policies being cancelled for better? The" Bronze" plan doesn't cover all they had before, They have to go a minimum of the "Silver Plan" to cover what they had before.

 

[chuck10x]

That assumption might be giving more credit than is due. While it is true that the exceptions were presented very soon after passage of the ACA and there were adequate opportunities for public comment before the rules were adopted, most people don’t pay attention. They typically only hear the slogans and catchphrases.

President Obama is very good at saying one thing and meaning something completely different.
Obama knows, People only hear what they want to hear. That goes for both Parties Democrat and Republican alike.

 

[frankfrank]

Was there any kind of idea, before October 1, how many (and even whether) insurance companies would be discontinuing certain policies in complete "blanket" sweeps? There must have been some sense of this, otherwise there wouldn't have been the minimum standards to get rid of the shit contracts that barely cover you if you actually get sick, such as what I had. But, because I was already 65, this didn't come into play for me.

The prices being quoted are only estimates and will be adjusted according to your personal medical history.

I thought that the whole thing was supposed to be one huge pool, not 74,000 different rates per 100,000 insured people? Or perhaps at least several huge pools, separated by age brackets.

Does that mean that somebody whose cancer is in remission (and whose bill cost the insurance company $122,000) might be paying $44,000 per year? Somebody else who had a similar experience but had one more day of care and the same insurance company paid $123,000 - will THAT person be paying $44,300 a year?

The junk policies, are they being canceled because of the ACA, or because insurance companies can?

What's going on (or not) in the background is still mysterious to us, even before considering what is or isn't in the new law.

 

[Kabluey]

Funny you should mention that.
I'm beginning to hear from people with High Risk Insurance policies due to a pre - existing condition are being cancelled and told to sign up with the exchanges. The prices being quoted are only estimates and will be adjusted according to your personal medical history. Also, Those Lousy Insurance policies being cancelled for better? The" Bronze" plan doesn't cover all they had before, They have to go a minimum of the "Silver Plan" to cover what they had before.

That sounds like insurers acting as opportunists while skirting within the law. Not a whole lot different to cable companies that obfuscate to make comparing companies difficult for consumers or companies that attempt to make customers contact out of their legal rights.
Did any part of the ACA ever say insurers were not able to offer better care than the absolute minimum?
If not, then such cancellations are the commercial decisions of the company, not a government.

Who should be blamed? The company for making such decisions, or the government?

 

[Kulindahr]

Jack, this is what you should post, if you're interested in honesty:

http://www.alternet.org/video/video....1811798.m2WxuS&rd=1&src=newsletter920457&t=7


Note especially the video.

 

[Jack Springer]

Stewart couldn't say Obama was a habitual liar and mislead millions of American people intentionally to pass a law that affects 1/5 of our economy. The focus of Stewart and AlterNet is to make Fox News look bad to their liberal viewers and readers. I understand how propaganda works.

In the end Obama lied about people being able to keep their insurance and doctor. Obama did this because the law would never have passed if he were honest.

 

[Jack Springer]

.. and millions of Americans will not have insurance next year because of him.

 

[chuck10x]

Was there any kind of idea, before October 1, how many (and even whether) insurance companies would be discontinuing certain policies in complete "blanket" sweeps? There must have been some sense of this, otherwise there wouldn't have been the minimum standards to get rid of the shit contracts that barely cover you if you actually get sick, such as what I had. But, because I was already 65, this didn't come into play for me.

I thought that the whole thing was supposed to be one huge pool, not 74,000 different rates per 100,000 insured people? Or perhaps at least several huge pools, separated by age brackets.

Does that mean that somebody whose cancer is in remission (and whose bill cost the insurance company $122,000) might be paying $44,000 per year? Somebody else who had a similar experience but had one more day of care and the same insurance company paid $123,000 - will THAT person be paying $44,300 a year?

The junk policies, are they being canceled because of the ACA, or because insurance companies can?

What's going on (or not) in the background is still mysterious to us, even before considering what is or isn't in the new law.

The Plans I saw , Including the added one that is never mentioned "Catastrophic" Give an "estimate" with the basic information provided. Prices will be adjusted up or down depending on further information.
The "junk" plans actually covered more than the Catastrophic and Bronze Plan, When you check what is covered.
The Insurance Companies are using the law to dump their High Risk Policies into higher cost Plans.
At 65 you have MEDICARE and should make out great. It is the person in their 40's and 50's with a history of medical problems that will have the problem.

 

[chuck10x]

When an insurance company is required to insure a house that already on fire, or a patient who already has a terminal disease, that's not insurance. It's welfare.

One of the basic facts of Obamacare is that if you have a pre-existing condition - Your Covered. You can not be denied Insurance.
The young and Healthy will pay more to cover the older and sick, Thats how insurance works.
In case something should happen to you, Well, The Insurance will then work in your favor.