Why Can't JUBers Learn To Speak?

[marcde]

No I disagree. Respect should be given automatically until proven that the recipient does not deserve it.

Well I respect your opinion, that doesn't mean I have to agree with you either, but seeing as I don't know anything about you ,how could I judge whether you are worthy of respect???
Politeness may be in the same vain as respect, and everybody deserves to be granted that - but I feel respect is earned.

 

[NameTaken]

Well I respect your opinion, that doesn't mean I have to agree with you either, but seeing as I don't know anything about you ,how could I judge whether you are worthy of respect???
Politeness may be in the same vain as respect, and everybody deserves to be granted that - but I feel respect is earned.

I agree. Politeness should be practices until you have a reason to stop but respect should not be automatic or it is pretty much worthless (IMO).

You know the phrase "You've EARNED my respect". Earned is there for a reaon, IMO.

 

[tbonez]

It is said that the act of reading makes for better spellers since one sees the word (and thus, that visual part of the brain cross-references it). And I do wonder exactly how much reading of actual literature or even of challenging newspapers is being done by the typical person these days?

Nothing personal, but BULL COOKIES!

I read like a text junkie and my spelling is appalling. I get the paper (National Post) pretty much every day and my grammar and punctuation just plain sucks dirty cock.

It has nothing to do with "intelligence" (I'm not retarded, but I write like a mental defective) it has nothing to do with anything except where your particular proficiencies lie...and how bloody anal you are.

JUB, IMO, is a CASUAL, INFORMAL exchange of ideas, information and opinions...and some idle blather...It ain't a published work of poetry or a fine arts thesis.

(Blah blah blah), although it might make sense to create short-cut abbreviations in chats and instant messaging (after all, they're more Morse code transmission than they are literature), I wonder if poor language skills are connected to chats and instant messaging in another, even more directly nefarious way.

I'm guessing you don't text much. No they are NOT Morse codeish, not at all...Not ever remotely close.

It takes a whole set of skills to do it efficiently. Each of the numbers (1 thru 9) represent a minimum of three letters and several symbols and shortcuts.... They are not "poor language skills" and I doubt you have mastered them so they are skill you don't even HAVE. There are no "poor" skills. Any method of clear communication requires REAL skill...especially when you pitch out the $5 words and all the literary fluff and pomp.

There is nothing "nefarious" about any of it. The English language is "alive" Read a bit of Shakespeare and you'll get the idea. Some folks are just left eating the dust of the next generation.

Linguistic development and language ability may come somewhat naturally to a human being. But as we (and Fisher-Price) all know, those skills must also be developed and challenged.

More bull cookies IMO. What child in complete isolation develops "language" let alone English?? NONE. Nothing "natural" about it. It is a complete artificial construct.

In this world of grief and strife what a bright light you are to obsess about something so trivial. In case you missed it they aren't handing out the GG prize for literature just now... This is a PORN sponsored forum.

Geezer!

 

[gsdx]

If you get THAT bothered by it you're kind of a douche anyway.

You, sir, are an idiot.

So along with having no argument he's a hypocrite as well! Lol, this is too good.

I agree. Politeness should be practices until you have a reason to stop

Please let me know when you actually start.

I wish you all the best in this life. I am now signing off.

Take care, eh?
Neil

 

[Lube]

Oddly, in a thread on communication, there is an enormous communication gap.

On the one hand, some folks are complaining about egregious violations of standard English.

On the other hand, JUBbers who don't have perfect English skills are thinking they are being attacked. This is not the case.

No one is complaining about people whose native language isn't English.

No one is complaining about people who got C's or D's in English class.

No one is complaining about people who make occasional (or perhaps even frequent) errors.

What people are complaining about is posters who simply ignore all rules of English and use no punctuation and no capitalization.

There is an enormous difference between an incorrect sentence due to a mistake, and multiple paragraphs of uncapitalized, unpunctuated, hyper-abbreviated "txt". (I thought I'd do that in lavender, since this is a gay forum. )

Please re-read the original post in this thread if you don't understand the difference.

thnk u

 

[NameTaken]

Please let me know when you actually start.

I wish you all the best in this life. I am now signing off.

Take care, eh?
Neil

I HAD a reason to stop being polite to you though! Get your facts right then come back! kthxbye (<-- hooray for irony!)

 

[sissyboy]

Okay. I'm very confused. Is it or is it not 'disrespectful' to call someone a 'douche', an 'idiot', and a 'hypocrite'? If it isn't, then I have a few choice words waiting in the wings.

Don't be confused. What you are dealing with here is not only a lack of respect, but a total absence of maturity & class. Big boys don't need to resort to name calling when trying to prove a point.

 

[NameTaken]

Don't be confused. What you are dealing with here is not only a lack of respect, but a total absence of maturity & class. Big boys don't need to resort to name calling when trying to prove a point.

No, they don't, but it can be effective, or just plain fun!

 

[just_mills]

Ez! waht tha rahz?! lolz
bare mandem throw hissy-fits on dis ere topic, getme!
nuff jokers on road! cotch back lyk innit. some brehs gettin boyed bare, here tonight, brrap! best fall back or get murked, WAHT!
blud, rest ur minds on big tings, yeh?

safe safe
Inabit

 

[NameTaken]

Ez! waht tha rahz?! lolz
bare mandem throw hissy-fits on dis ere topic, getme!
nuff jokers on road! cotch back lyk innit. some brehs gettin boyed bare, here tonight, brrap! best fall back or get murked, WAHT!
rest ur minds on big tings, yeh?

safe safe

The REAL hilarity in that is that your argument is based on blowing something completely out of proportion yet actually believing it to be a good argument! Thanks for that, I had a good laugh at your expense!

 

[ok455]

Im not a grammar freak as long i can read the thread i don't care

I just hate when i make a thread and someone corrects my spelling and grammar and it turns into a grammar thread.

 

[NameTaken]

Im not a grammar freak as long i can read the thread i don't care

I just hate when i make a thread and someone corrects my spelling and grammar and it turns into a grammar thread.

UGH! I had to skip that ENTIRE post after seeing that you didn't have a comma after that I. IT's SUPPOSED to be "I'm". Come on, HOW do you expect me to red that post now (Yes, I realize this is in conflict with the post I just made, this is not meant to be a part omy argument, merely a fun look at the other side).

 

[just_mills]

You're an English-boy!!!

"yout" elvin, English-yout

Its funny, cos half the people i know/link with talk like that, not just type!

 

[blackbeltninja]

I can understand the use of abbreviated stuff when texting via cellphone because it's a hassle sometimes to remember when in the sequence the / comes relative to the : or !. But surely on a standard computer keyboard where everything is right there, it's just easier to type in full?

Having said that, my English was always immaculate at school. The only red on any of my papers was the overall mark and the examiner's signature. I find it easier to speak in modern dialects than to write in them, and more so on an internationally viewed forum like this one.

I don't usually worry too much about spelling and grammar (although it does bug me to a point) on things like this, but it is sometimes bemusing when a spelling error leads to a miscommunication. For example, on a thread (which was subsequently banned and deleted) someone called someone's viewpoints "inciteful." Incite is generally a term with negative connotations, meaning to start trouble and spread dissent. The person meant to write "insightful," a different kettle of fish entirely.

Class dismissed.
-d-

 

[tbonez]

Since my earlier and utterly delightful post above, I must say that the discourse has changed to focus on a particular element which may drive some to type like they are "monkeys" working with researchers ...".

I'm thinking either you have your tongue firmly planted in your cheek or...NOT! (LOL)

Old coots with perhaps Phds may reduce their English skills to, "Uhhhh, opin ur pntz, kid n let us c", when web-camming with fraternity beefcake.

Hell no! They do it when lecturing to a class full of students. I know PhD's who can't spell well enough to get thought to second level of a grade five spelling bee! I just spent (as my summer job) the last few months transcribing a thesis that was pure drivel and dreck... despite brilliant reasearch. The guy is bright and educated but his English sucks like a five dollar whore.

But normally when someone has something more to say or might be speaking to a broader audience, that person ought to at least try to communicate things more clearly.

Sometimes "fuk u" is clearer than any 100 other words.

I was watching an old 1940's movie and at one point in it, the lovers are sitting in a car.

..... 'When exactly did society go from, "Gee, Johnny. You mean it? You really mean it? Marriage? Oh. You're not clowning with me now, Johnny? Tell me you wouldn't clown about such a thing" to where, in a similar movie scene today, the heroine would reply, "FUCK, really?".

The 1940's example was pure bad fiction. Who REALLY speaks like that? If I read that line I would be tempted to book-mark the page with a puddle of vomit.

"FUCK, Really?" actually seems like a plausible reply, unlike you example. Mind you, I can't see Susan Sarandon saying "FUCK really?" even if her mouth were full of cum.

Its somewhere in all that which demonstrates that language does reflect who it is we are and the ways in which we think or relate.

On this point we agree. 100%

I just finished reading Londonstani and it is genius. Brilliantly written, widely admired and on several "best sellers" list. That said, it ain't English as YOU know it. Based on your criteria I could just pitch half my favourite books in the bin...Including many with literary awards and real style.

Linguistic pomposity makes for dead dull reading IMO.

 

[Zeremonie]

Note for this thread: Please keep the conversation on topic, and avoid personal insults. While this is quite the heated thread, I don't think it needs to be locked at this time. However, should the thread deginerate into personal attacks, it will be locked.
Thanks.

Zeremonie (aka Melody)

 

[just_mills]

As soon as I hear someone speaking the work "fuck" (other than when they're either doing it or having hot oil spilled into their lap), I simply figure that they searched for a word but didn't have the vocabulary skills to find it.

Are you serious?! So if I say "fuck", Its because I lack a wider vocabulary of words?!
Ridiculous.. So you're basically saying im not "skilled" with words, if Im not mistaken!?

I say "fuck" a lot.. and when I use it, I dont quickly think "What word could I use instead of "fuck" to sound more formal, clever etc.." I just use it.. I dont have to.. I just do..

 

[NameTaken]

Are you serious?! So if I say "fuck", Its because I lack a wider vocabulary of words?!
Ridiculous.. So you're basically saying im not "skilled" with words, if Im not mistaken!?

I say "fuck" a lot.. and when I use it, I dont quickly think "What word could I use instead of "fuck" to sound more formal, clever etc.." I just use it.. I dont have to.. I just do..

Seriously... I'd rather people say fuck a lot then always try to one up each other in a bitchy fight of wits... that would get old and boring even quicker than the consistent use of the word fuck.

 

[NameTaken]

But sarcasm and wit is what the unhappy cynics use to put people down....

Very true. And both have their place, but like you said it's usually used constantly, endlessly, and annoyingly by the most annoying types of people! <3 elvin

 

[Lube]

Guys that I hold deep respect for are on both sides of this issue, and it saddens me that we can't provide more respect for each other.

I hope you all sleep on it tonight and awake tomorrow with a fresh perspective.