why don't all blacks support gays?

[CupCake]

Since this thread began with a generalized question, I answered with a generalized, but I believe "spot on," assessment. The fact is the majority of African/Black Americans ARE Christian and Baptists at that.

And if the question is about lack of support in the black community, inevitably one need look no further than to the predominant Baptist faith which views the Bible as almost a literal translation of God's word. And if God says we are an abomination, then do you really think the good Baptist is going to vote for gay marriage or any other measure that supports homosexuality?

Okay yeah your telling the truth and I mentioned before that I think its religion and its not just blacks but religious people in general....

 

[CupCake]

Listen to at least the first 1.5 minutes.

Ok that answers the question!

 

[CupCake]

That guy is an idiot But that message is 'preached' in churches weekly.

Yep and its sad but thats what happens in most churches... And that is the reason Prop 8 got voted down.... I hope we can put this battle to rest now....(I know it wont be though)

EDIT:

OMG I just finished watching the whole thing and this man is crazy! If only who knew it was the slave masters who taught black slaves to be Christian! And slavery was justified because of th bible....

 

[BabiGayPimp]

I don't hesitate to say that I'm black before I am gay. Black is both heredity and lineage, gay is not. Before I had a concept of "gay," I knew what "black" was and that it was what I am. Sorry if that doesn't jibe with pompously idealistic white gay men and the accommodating negroes who love them, but it's how I feel.

Thankyou! Thankyou! Thankyou!

And now the Fat Lady can sing!

Well I have to say also that I'm black first and gay second because I am black to everyone all the time, but gay only to some people some of the time. This is something the mainstream, overwhelmingly white, gay lobby must recognize before they try to take black support for granted.

It's just an observation, that's all.

 

[MisterMajestic]

Since this thread began with a generalized question, I answered with a generalized, but I believe "spot on," assessment. The fact is the majority of African/Black Americans ARE Christian and Baptists at that.

And if the question is about lack of support in the black community, inevitably one need look no further than to the predominant Baptist faith which views the Bible as almost a literal translation of God's word. And if God says we are an abomination, then do you really think the good Baptist is going to vote for gay marriage or any other measure that supports homosexuality?

...In case anyone has FORGOTEN there are more White Christians than there are Black...I don't get why White Gays want to Blame Straight Blacks & Now Christian Blacks for all the Stress & problems they are going through......

It's time for White Gays to acknowledge the FACT that Straight Whites and Predominately Straight Christian Whites do not believe Gays have any "rights" to civil unions and Marriage and don't deserve any...If Blaming Black people for your denied rights gets you through the day, then so be it...I PROMISE you Straight Black people don't give a Damn what White Gays think about them because they know how Straight Whites feel about White Gays.......But it's not Black people that you have to "reach" out to...It's the White Dominated Society that have your same skin color that REFUSES to accept you as THEIR equals...

Black folks won't be able to get White Gays over the hump...The Gay Community has NO leadership whatsoever..There is no one Publicly speaking for you besides Ellen & Rosie...Once the Gay Community find Leaders, develop a plan of action then you figure out ways to reach out to other communities...Gays Preaching to Blacks about slavery & the race card and telling them when they should and should NOT be proud to acknowledge their heritage is waste of time..The LAST thing a Black person need is a "Race lecture" from a White Gay person that can't even win over a majority of support from his own race of people......

Gays need to focus on their "mission" and develop "Direction"...Black people were never meant to be the "Leading Force" behind Gay Civil Rights...What was MEANT to happen is HAPPENING as we speak...Straight Whites have SHOWN that they still Dominate our Society in Huge numbers...The White Gay Man feels shut-out and the ONLY thing he knows is to attack Blacks which comes naturally...As ABSURD as the attack on Blacks might be that is the mind-set...

But this particular Civil Rights Issue is not Black Vs White....It's Predominately White Gays Vs White Straights...The BEST thing for Blacks is to stay out of this one and Let Whites battle it out with each other..Black Gays will benefit if White Gays get Bills passed legalizing Gay Marriage and Throwing out Military Gay-Bans just like White Women and other Minority groups Benefited when Civil Rights bills were passed...


White Gays being denied the RIGHT to "Marry" does not Come close to the struggle Black Americans have endured for Centuries on our soil. It took CENTURIES before White people decided to acknowledge Blacks as "Humans"....White gays will have to figure out how to deal with the White Dominated Society that is standing in their way..White gays have a need to BLAME someone for their anger and BLAMING Black people gets you no-where....Going after Black people is not the answer...And if White Gays decide to make this a "Race issue" and go after Blacks then Blacks will handle White Gays the same way Blacks handled Straight Whites....

Remember...Black people SURVIVE it all, we have for centuries and we always will...Make no mistake about that Fact...

 

[CupCake]

Black gays want to get married, Latino gays want to get married, Asian gays want to get married, interracial gay couples want to get married, So its not just white gays.....

White christians do not want gays to get married,Latino Christians don't,Asian Christians don't! and Other Christians don't! So it aint just Black christians!

Like I said before its making it seem like its blacks vs gays when thats not the case its Gay rights vs the Bible!

 

[undisclosed1234]

The intriguing thing that I see happening in this thread is that several Black Gays, who are just as much part of the Gay Community, don't seemingly want to be included in the Gay Community.

Rather, the line is being drawn and instead of saying "I am Black AND I am Gay" ... what is being said is "I am Black ... and you Gays are on your own". Again, seemingly dismissing the fact that these several posters ARE ALSO in the Gay Community.

I just find the whole thing very peculiar and find it increasingly odd that a choice to "Be Black BEFORE I am Gay" is even being made on this issue.

Until you're both, you can't tell people how they should feel about it.

 

[CupCake]

Well I have to say also that I'm black first and gay second because I am black to everyone all the time, but gay only to some people some of the time. This is something the mainstream, overwhelmingly white, gay lobby must recognize before they try to take black support for granted.

It's just an observation, that's all.

Your Black first and Gay second and I am Both at the same time (I do not put one ahead of the other) so I guess we all just got to agree to disagree about this one

 

[CupCake]

Inside I feel both at the same time. But I know everyone else looking at me sees black first and only black. Unless I'm walking down the street with a shirt that says "Hey people, I'm gay, black and fabulous", they have no real way of knowing unless I tell them so. And the same can be said if you're white, latino, asian and so on. People are going to judge you first by your race, gender and then your sexuality.

Absolutely true but all I am saying is that I will defend them each equally... I will defend my race if a racist is insulting me and I will defend my sexuality if a homophobe is insulting me... One is not more important than the other in my book....

 

[MystikWizard]

I mentioned this in a PM, but the thing I notice more with Blacks seem to be this sense of "community" and sticking together because of "race". And much of that "community" is held together through religion.

Of all the major racial and ethnic groups in the United States, black Americans are the most likely to report a formal religious affiliation. Even among those blacks who are unaffiliated, three-in-four belong to the "religious unaffiliated" category (that is, they say that religion is either somewhat or very important in their lives), compared with slightly more than one-third of the unaffiliated population overall.

So it seems to me that one of the chief roadblocks for Gays is the amount of Blacks that are religious and hold religious views. It is in higher proportion to both Asians and Whites, and according to this poll, is only 1% higher than Hispanics.

And what I see amongst a lot of Blacks in this thread that are Gay is that this sense of community amongst one's own color of their skin is more important to them than one's sexuality.

Unlike other Blacks in this thread that feel it is EQUALLY important, because they understand that both of these movements are to their benefit, the other side feels that they have to choose one over the other.

Obviously, this would lead me to speculate on whether or not most Blacks are more likely to align with their racial community's views on Homosexuality, and view it as a disgrace and abomination with their fellow Black citizens.

In other words, because there is this belief amongst Blacks where "the Black race must stand together at all cost", are Black Gays more likely to take a laissez-faire approach with Gay Rights, simply because there is loyalty to one's Race? And therefore we don't have as many Black Gays coming out and educating their friends, families, and peers on Homosexuality simply because of this alignment to the philosophies and ideologies of the majority of the Black Race?

I think that explains a lot of things, if that is the case. And also could explain a lot of things amongst Hispanics as well, who were the second largest Religious group identified.

And if that means sacrificing one's fight for rights and equality for being Gay, in favor of how the majority of the Community feels about it, then so be it?

I think Whites are getting less and less religious because we don't have this same sense of "Community" amongst each other and don't feel the need to "stick together because we're White". Instead, we have scattered amongst ourselves and have become free thinkers, as opposed to worrying about what other White's are thinking.

And we want to talk about "Community Leaders"? Quite frankly I don't want any "Community Leaders" for either Whites or Gays. The last thing that I want to see is an Al Sharpton or a Jesse Jackson getting up and shooting their mouths off, stirring the pot, and claiming to speak for me ... especially when I may not agree with the things they are saying, yet it still reflects poorly upon me in public.

I think preserving one's individuality is more important, without us having some mouthpiece up there foaming at the mouth about Gay Rights.

But all I am saying is that if this is the line of thinking amongst Blacks and Hispanics in which one feels the need to have this sense of loyalty to one's Race, simply because they happen to have the same skin color .... and if we don't have enough Blacks and Hispanics doing their part in educating people in their Communities about Homosexuality due to this loyalty, AND the Community making them feel less than human because their religion preaches that "Gays are an Abomination", then this probably explains why there is a lag amongst the Hispanic and Black Communities as a whole, as it pertains to attitudes amongst Homosexuality.

It is ironic, as Cupcake pointed out, that the slave owners were the ones that initially taught Christianity to Blacks. If getting the farthest away from Slavery and those times is truly in the best interest of Blacks, it is peculiar that so many would follow the very same beliefs that were taught to them by "White Christians".

Those same White Christians were such wonderful people when they purchased Blacks from the Black Slave Traders in Africa, weren't they?

 

[CupCake]

It is ironic, as Cupcake pointed out, that the slave owners were the ones that initially taught Christianity to Blacks. If getting the farthest away from Slavery and those times is truly in the best interest of Blacks, it is peculiar that so many would follow the very same beliefs that were taught to them by "White Christians".

Those same White Christians were such wonderful people when they purchased Blacks from the Black Slave Traders in Africa, weren't they?

Thats true! Most African Americans do not know that slavery was justified by the bible and that the slave masters were "Christian Men" Who thought that Blacks were not completely human and uncivilized therefor they taught them to be Christian....

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Chief roadblocks? Blacks are 13% of the US population. Whites are 70+%. Who's the majority? Whites. Who's running the government? Whites.

How is one of the smallest groups a "chief roadblock?"

 

[MystikWizard]

Well I have to say also that I'm black first and gay second because I am black to everyone all the time, but gay only to some people some of the time. This is something the mainstream, overwhelmingly white, gay lobby must recognize before they try to take black support for granted.

It's just an observation, that's all.

Can you elaborate a little more on what exactly that means as far as how you interact with people in the Black race with regards to homosexuality?

I have heard three people in this thread say that "I am Black first, and I am Gay 2nd."

I have also heard your explanation that you feel this way because everyone sees the color of your skin first. Okay. Now, fast forwarding to the last paragraph and the conclusion, what does the statement "I am Black first and Gay second" mean in terms of your views on homosexuality as compared to the majority of the Black community?

Thank you.

 

[MystikWizard]

Chief roadblocks? Blacks are 13% of the US population. Whites are 70+%. Who's the majority? Whites. Who's running the government? Whites.

How is one of the smallest groups a "chief roadblock?"

Address the other parts of the post first, and I'll address this shortly thereafter. I have before and am willing to do so again. But if you would kindly address the other parts first, I'll be happy to answer this again.

 

[Apollo]

Chief roadblocks? Blacks are 13% of the US population. Whites are 70+%. Who's the majority? Whites. Who's running the government? Whites.

How is one of the smallest groups a "chief roadblock?"

I would imagine because 13% is still a lot of voters, and we tend to have stronger closeness and sense of community then white people. Probably because we are only 13% and are used to sticking together because segregation agaisnt us was not THAT long ago.

Probably what the anti-gay groups realized in their prop 8 fight.

 

[CupCake]

LOL, completely agree. Are we on this Prop 8 blame the blacks bullsh!t again?

The first person I saw blame the blacks was not gay but a spokes person for prop 8 one of the people against gay marriage for "traditional marriage" They were basically saying we can thanks the African Americans and Latinos for helping us win it.....

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Address the other parts of the post first, and I'll address this shortly thereafter. I have before and am willing to do so again. But if you would kindly address the other parts first, I'll be happy to answer this again.

In other words you can't answer it. Thanks for your roundabout honesty.

 

[MystikWizard]

Ive only read a few posts since this was originally posted, but ..... interesting.

Personally, I'm black and bi(gay to some i guess).
Do I support gays? Yes, I support them but I don't go out of my way to support them.

I don't know about others, but I've never felt embraced by the gay community and I've never felt any kind of connection to them. If i see an injustice, it's wrong no matter who it is against. However, I feel no affinity to gays. I'll march for minority rights, rights for the poor and women's rights before I march for gay rights.

And I think that partly is because of what I was referring to earlier. We don't embrace the idea of "Communities" and "Togetherness" as much amongst Whites. We just don't. And that carries over to Gay Whites, as well. I just think that Blacks grew up in an environment of Community and Togetherness, mostly through Churches, and because they don't see Whites reaching out to them, they feel it is a Black/White thing and feel miffed that Whites aren't "reaching out to them". That is just a theory.

But for many Whites, once Church lets out ... that's it. We go our own ways. We are not as close with each other as I think a lot of Blacks think we are on a daily or weekly basis. The feeling of "Community" just doesn't seem like it's there with us, because it just isn't there.

It's like I've said, we've simply all scattered. Typical Whites have a couple friends and family, but really that's about it. We may only see family members like Aunts and Uncles maybe twice a year, if that.

This has nothing to do with Skin-Color and you guys feeling slighted. We simply aren't very Community-oriented with even each other ... but that doesn't stop us at the same time for believing in the Cause of the Greater Good for fellow people like us ... or doing what we need to do to educate those with incorrect views on homosexuality.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I just think that Blacks grew up in an environment of Community and Togetherness

yeah. we're killing ourselves left and right and black kids are growing up without their fathers because of our environment of community and togetherness.

the more you speak about the black community the less you seem to know. it might serve you better to put the silly theories away and just sit back and listen.

 

[MystikWizard]

yeah. we're killing ourselves left and right and black kids are growing up without their fathers because of our environment of community and togetherness.

the more you speak about the black community the less you seem to know. it might serve you better to put the silly theories away and just sit back and listen.

And yet at the same time, you are considered the most "religious" of all the communities.

I wanted to emphasize that it was a theory. The problem is that people like you don't utter a word, until someone prompts you with a Hot Topic to speak. So if I'm wrong, instead of telling me "how wrong I am" educate the rest of us on what it's like, Marley. We're all ears. And for the record, I think a lot of you out there have a lot of misconceptions about Whites, as well.

Just start talking ....