On Topic Discussion 2 yo boy killed by alligator at Disney

[Alistair]

I didn't "edit your response", I shortened the quote to the portion I responded to. Nice try though.

I'm not stupid enough to enter bodies of water anywhere in Florida and assume there is neither shark nor gator risk. This is common knowledge. The sense of entitlement that open bodies of water should have been made safe for you and if they weren't, the fault is on somebody else, even if signs tell you not to go in, is what prompts these ridiculous reactions like going after wild animals and killing them in droves after some idiot lets their 2 or 5 or 12 year old go swimming or surfing in Florida and they get attacked by a gator or a shark.

There were signs, they were ignored.

The planet isn't your safety proofed Fisher Price playground.

Sorry I'm not going to play your CE&P games. I answered your question. Go back and look at my response. Shortening my response is editting it. And I stand by my response that you won't answer them because you can't.

 

[Benvolio]

Disney was aware, or should have been aware of the presence of alligators in the zone that they were renting to tourists.

Due diligence demands that the site operator ensures that their customers are aware of the risk to their lives, by advising their customers to remain vigilant.

I agree........

 

[xbuzzerx]

Disney was aware, or should have been aware of the presence of alligators in the zone that they were renting to tourists.

Due diligence demands that the site operator ensures that their customers are aware of the risk to their lives, by advising their customers to remain vigilant.

Why does that not apply to the other risks asked about?

 

[Benvolio]

This is, as I already mentioned, a possible danger anywhere in the state. Including private backyards of homes with fences, into which gators have gotten into pools or killed pets on many occasions.

So If the stairs at disney fall into disrepair causing someone to fall you would say: tough luck. Lots of places in FL have bad stairs. People have to be careful. Its not Disneys fault if they arent careful where they step."

 

[xbuzzerx]

and lightening strikes, and rain falls,etc.....

but in this specific case the signs erected by Disney did not specify the real risk to human life, posed by alligators that Disney had to have been aware of. The child's death was the result of the action of an alligator, that could have also occurred on the beach where alligators also hunt prey. No sign covered that prospect.

Some particular problem beaches may post signs warning of sharks.

No beaches I routinely frequent have such warning signs, despite that risk being ever-present.

Who owes me a settlement if I am attacked?

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So If the stairs at disney fall into disrepair causing someone to fall you would say: tough luck. Lots of places in FL have bad stairs. People have to be careful. Its not Disneys fault if they arent careful where they step."

That's a horrible analogy. A better one is a hawk attacks you in my backyard and you sue me.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Sorry I'm not going to play your CE&P games. I answered your question. Go back and look at my response. Shortening my response is editting it. And I stand by my response that you won't answer them because you can't.

I answered your question. It isn't the answer you wanted. If I ignored signs not to swim somewhere and did it anyway, I wouldn't blame other people for negative consequences. Moreso doing it in a state with a state-wide bull shark and gator population.

 

[kallipolis]

Why does that not apply to the other risks asked about?

I am specifically referring to the cause of death of the child....seized, and drowned by an alligator.

Where there is one alligator hunting its prey, be sure that there are others.

Disney had to have known that alligators infested the zone that they had transformed into tourist resort.

The child did not drown because it could not swim. The child was drowned by the action of an alligator.

 

[xbuzzerx]

I am specifically referring to the cause of death of the child....seized, and drowned by an alligator.

Where there is one alligator hunting its prey, be sure that there are others.

They are all over the state. They routinely get into bodies of water and even backyard swimming pools.

I'm sorry but where do you mistakenly believe this is somehow either in dispute or not widespread knowledge?

The child did not drown because it could not swim. The child was drowned by the action of an alligator.

The child died because parents disregarded signs forbidding swimming in a body of water clearly marked that it was not safe for swimming in a state known for dangerous predators in the water.

 

[kallipolis]

They are all over the state. They routinely get into bodies of water and even backyard swimming pools.

I'm sorry but where do you mistakenly believe this is somehow either in dispute or not widespread knowledge?



The child died because parents disregarded signs forbidding swimming in a body of water clearly marked that it was not safe for swimming in a state known for dangerous predators in the water.

The child died because of the action of an alligator drowning the child.

The Disney erected signs made no reference to dangerous predators. ..

...and that's why the plaintiffs will succeed in their lawsuit against Disney.

It would have been bad for business had Disney erected a sign stating that alligators were a constant hazard...inviting their customers to be vigilant, for fear of being eaten by a hungry alligator.

 

[xbuzzerx]

The child died because of the action of an alligator drowning the child.

The Disney erected signs made no reference to dangerous predators. ..

...and that's why the plaintiffs will succeed in their lawsuit against Disney.

It would have been bad for business had Disney erected a sign stating that alligators were a constant hazard...inviting their customers to be vigilant, for fear of being eaten by a hungry alligator.

I don't know if you're ignorant of American geography. You are posturing your argument as though this one particular body of water was an anomalous gator breeding zone and Disney concealed this fact. The entire state is a gator zone. The entire state has gators getting into bodies of water. You are also posturing as though this is obscure information easily hidden from people. Florida has a team named after alligators. Knowledge of their prevalence in water is widespread. Just as with sharks in ocean water. It doesn't stop people from going in.

So I ask you, again. Who is failing to provide proper warning to people who enter oceans at public beaches? Most have no sign of any sort. This resort had a sign saying NO SWIMMING.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

The questions weren't ridiculous. You just know if you answered them honestly they would invalidate your argument.

No, they are ridiculous. Asking if you would knowingly take your family in a lake full of Alligators is ridiculous. None of you questions would invalidate my opinion because most people don't have stupidity that your scenario's entail.

I would like to note, that I used to live in a wooded area part of Pennsylvania years ago and I have visited many of times, I didn't need to be told by family members about the possibility of encountering a Bear.

 

[kallipolis]

I don't know if you're ignorant of American geography. You are posturing your argument as though this one particular body of water was an anomalous gator breeding zone and Disney concealed this fact. The entire state is a gator zone. The entire state has gators getting into bodies of water. You are also posturing as though this is obscure information easily hidden from people. Florida has a team named after alligators. Knowledge of their prevalence in water is widespread. Just as with sharks in ocean water. It doesn't stop people from going in.

So I ask you, again. Who is failing to provide proper warning to people who enter oceans at public beaches? Most have no sign of any sort. This resort had a sign saying NO SWIMMING.

The tourist site operator, Disney failed to comply with due diligence by informing their paying customers that the site was infested with alligators.....proven by an alligator snatching, and drowning a child. Alligators also move on land, exposing Disney's customers to grave risk of death had an alligator exited the sea and seized a sun bathing tourist relaxing on that well groomed beach next to the sea.

In a zone that is clearly inhabited by alligators....as the tragic death of a child proves...there is a responsibility on the part of the site operator to inform their customers of this deadly hazard.

It matters not that the state has a large population of alligators. What matters is that the Disney tourist site should have been made safe for their customers, or Disney provided sufficient guidance that the waters, and land fronting the waters are infested with alligators.

 

[Benvolio]

I don't know if you're ignorant of American geography. You are posturing your argument as though this one particular body of water was an anomalous gator breeding zone and Disney concealed this fact. The entire state is a gator zone. The entire state has gators getting into bodies of water. You are also posturing as though this is obscure information easily hidden from people. Florida has a team named after alligators. Knowledge of their prevalence in water is widespread. Just as with sharks in ocean water. It doesn't stop people from going in.

So I ask you, again. Who is failing to provide proper warning to people who enter oceans at public beaches? Most have no sign of any sort. This resort had a sign saying NO SWIMMING.

Legally, Disney has a duty to use make its premises safe for its guests and advise then of danger of which Disney is aware. That much is not open for debate. It invites guests from all over the world who are often not familiar with the frequency of allegators. I am informed that that particular resort is Disney's most expensive. These people were not hillbillies, They are from Omaha and have responsible jobs. They did not allow their son to swim. The sign did not warn against wading or being close to the water. The parents just did not know of the danger from allegators.

 

[xbuzzerx]

The tourist site operator, Disney failed to comply with due diligence by informing their paying customers that the site was infested with alligators.....proven by an alligator snatching, and drowning a child. Alligators also move on land, exposing Disney's customers to grave risk of death had an alligator exited the sea and seized a sun bathing tourist relaxing on that well groomed beach next to the sea.

"Infested with alligators" is a claim that no information currently supports. Given that there has been no such attack on Disney property prior the notion that their properties present greater risk of encounter with alligator than literally any body of water, private or public, anywhere else in the state remains unsubstantiated. It's simply your belief you are taking great pains to repeat.

In a zone that is clearly inhabited by alligators

You mean the state of Florida?

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

I think in any Hotel or Resort they need to have a sign up by their Pools letting you know that you should not drink the water because of all the chemicals in there, they should also notify us that if one cannot swim we should not go into said Pool.

I think they should also put reasons why I shouldn't walk into the street when the light is red or there is a STOP sign. If I am not told that I should stop because I might get run over by a vehicle, why should I not just walk across the street anyway?

 

[xbuzzerx]

These people were not hillbillies, They are from Omaha and have responsible jobs. They did not allow their son to swim.

They let a two year old "wade" into water that was marked no swimming and also marked for dangerous drop-offs.

Sounds totally responsible.

 

[kallipolis]

"Infested with alligators" is a claim that no information currently supports. Given that there has been no such attack on Disney property prior the notion that their properties present greater risk of encounter with alligator than literally any body of water, private or public, anywhere else in the state remains unsubstantiated. It's simply your belief you are taking great pains to repeat.



You mean the state of Florida?

The zone that I am referencing is the tourist site operated by Disney.

The only evidence that is needed is the drowning of a child by an alligator.

Whether the number of alligators is one, or fifty is not pertinent....for the child is dead....but be certain that where you find one alligator, you'll find others.

I am certain that the plaintiff's counsel will do their research, and provide the court with more than sufficient evidence to support their claim that Disney failed to inform their customers that the tourist site operated by Disney has an alligator, or alligators population.

 

[xbuzzerx]

I think in any Hotel or Resort they need to have a sign up by their Pools letting you know that you should not drink the water because of all the chemicals in there, they should also notify us that if one cannot swim we should not go into said Pool.

I think they should also put reasons why I shouldn't walk into the street when the light is red or there is a STOP sign. If I am not told that I should stop because I might get run over by a vehicle, why should I not just walk across the street anyway?

It's true. A tourist from a third world country without knowledge of our traffic signs might not know that walking through a red light presents risk of death.

 

[kallipolis]

They let a two year old "wade" into water that was marked no swimming and also marked for dangerous drop-offs.

Sounds totally responsible.

The parents were directly behind the child. Had they known that the waters were infested with alligators they certainly would not have gone wading.

 

[kallipolis]

It's true. A tourist from a third world country without knowledge of our traffic signs might not know that walking through a red light presents risk of death.

Death in this case was caused by a deadly hazard..an alligator.. that the site operator failed to draw to the attention of their paying customers.