On Topic Discussion 2 yo boy killed by alligator at Disney

[Kahaih]

In that case the coffee was not "hot" it was scalding hot. The suit and reward were legit.

And, it was an elderly lady who was injured, wasn't it?

I don't recall the specifics, just now, but then, I don't have to, as I'm not the one flippantly tossing the case around as some sort of reference/comparison.

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[gsdx]

In that case the coffee was not "hot" it was scalding hot. The suit and reward were legit.

Still, the woman put the paper cup between her legs as she was driving and the top popped off. That should have been a foreseeable action. She should have been awarded something, but not the millions she was given.

Sometimes common sense has to be a consideration.

 

[Benvolio]

Still, the woman put the paper cup between her legs as she was driving and the top popped off. That should have been a foreseeable action. She should have been awarded something, but not the millions she was given.

Sometimes common sense has to be a consideration.

She Of course knew it was hot. People want it to be hot so that it will not cool off too quickly.

 

[Alistair]

A burnt crotch at McDonald's is a far cry from a child dieing at the "happiest place on earth"

Having a groomed beach on an alligator infested lagoon, inviting guest to canoe on said infested lagoon, is putting yourself in danger of litigation. If a child fell out of a canoe and got grabbed by an alligator or bit by a water snake would they not be liable?

A little common sense from the Disney corporation would be great too.

 

[Kahaih]

A burnt crotch at McDonald's is a far cry from a child dieing at the "happiest place on earth"

Having a groomed beach on an alligator infested lagoon, inviting guest to canoe on said infested lagoon, is putting yourself in danger of litigation. If a child fell out of a canoe and got grabbed by an alligator or bit by a water snake would they not be liable?

A little common sense from the Disney corporation would be great too.

What's more, from everything I've read, this attack happened on/in a 'manmade lake', which, to many, implies a 'controlled environment' such as that in any amusement park.

 

[ShadowCat]

One thing is for sure Disney is going to be paying a hefty sum if they settlement is anything less than 7 figures I would be shocked. Plus whatever else they are going to have to dish out to remedy that lake this has become one hell of an expensive problem.

 

[sixthson]

I don't care what it costs Disney. No amount of money can pay for this priceless little boy. No amount of money will ever ease the grief and pain of the family who not only lost him but had to helplessly watch it happen.

 

[LeicsDom]

The following quote is from an article on an ABC News site:

I stand corrected

 

[luckynumbah7]

What's more, from everything I've read, this attack happened on/in a 'manmade lake', which, to many, implies a 'controlled environment' such as that in any amusement park.

Yeah, no. Manmade lakes aren't controlled enviroments, by and large. Even when you design it from the ground up its contents are mutable. Unless you want to stand next to it with a long broom 24/7 and chase wildlife off the perimeter. Some bits of the perimeter. You'll miss the middle, of course, where all the fowl gather, and good luck with those several species of venomous snakes native to Florida - they are also more than likely to be at least in/near the water.

Because wildlife doesn't give two fucks for your (or anyone's) concept of 'man-made'. If it's there, they'll use it.

It's like people assume what words indicate without actually looking them up.

 

[xbuzzerx]

A burnt crotch at McDonald's is a far cry from a child dieing at the "happiest place on earth"

Having a groomed beach on an alligator infested lagoon, inviting guest to canoe on said infested lagoon, is putting yourself in danger of litigation. If a child fell out of a canoe and got grabbed by an alligator or bit by a water snake would they not be liable?

A little common sense from the Disney corporation would be great too.

Well you ignored my reply.

what would have been sufficient? Should Disney build glass domes over every body of water within the conceivable reach of a child from its properties?

 

[xbuzzerx]

What's more, from everything I've read, this attack happened on/in a 'manmade lake', which, to many, implies a 'controlled environment' such as that in any amusement park.

That's crap. There are manmade harbors and manmade beaches too. None of these guarantee you can't drown or run into a wild animal if you go swimming.

Manmade lake does not mean "swimming pool." And even if it did, gators have worked their way into private swimming pools in the backyards of private homes in Florida.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

That's crap. There are manmade harbors and manmade beaches too. None of these guarantee you can't drown or run into a wild animal if you go swimming.

Manmade lake does not mean "swimming pool." And even if it did, gators have worked their way into private swimming pools in the backyards of private homes in Florida.

People in this thread are being ridiculous for ridiculous sake.

I guess what these people want is a sign that lists every possible predator that could be in the water on one sign, as well as warning you that if you cannot swim then you will drown.
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At the end of the day these people fucked up and let their kid in water that shouldn't have been there in the first place. I wouldn't hammer these Parents regardless them needing to know better when they lost a 2 year old child, that in itself is enough to where people don't need to be harassing them about what happened.

Here's the thing, there are signs, warnings for things for a reason. These things aren't there to be inconvenient to you, they have a purpose. I am sure people here have ignored signs and warnings, but when something goes wrong when we do these things, it's our own personal disregard that got us there. Not anyone else's.

 

[Benvolio]

Well you ignored my reply.

what would have been sufficient? Should Disney build glass domes over every body of water within the conceivable reach of a child from its properties?

At a minimum Disney had an obligation to be sure that guests were aware of the allegator danger. A deep water warning was not enough to warn that wading and getting to close to the water were a danger. These were educated people with responsible jobs. They would not have allowed the child to wade if they had realized that alligators were a possible danger. I am sure that now the signs will be changed and guests will be verbally warned when they check in--not only at this hotel but many others in FL. Under water fences possibly; am not sure what is realistic.

 

[LittleDove]

its contents are mutable.

And gators move from one place to another, often in the middle of the night. If a suitable environment is provided, it should probably be expected that it will sooner or later contain them.

Alligators can be deceptive. While they're usually relatively slow-moving and lumbering, they can be capable of short bursts of rather amazing speed ... as the lady who was fishing off a dock with a toy poodle frolicking at her side discovered. A gator leapt out of the water, swallowed the poodle, and vanished back into the water in an instant.

Being from Nebraska, a state not generally noted to have a large number of alligators roaming, floating, or frolicking about it, the family in this tragedy may perhaps be forgiven for their unfamiliarity with the creatures.

As for the incident of the McDonald's coffee which got brought up ... people love to harp about the silliness of that verdict, but they usually are only presenting half the story. Yes, it is kind of a dumb thing to do to rest a cup of coffee in one's crotch, but it wasn't an isolated incident. There had been repeated instances of people being burned, and McDonald's was seen as negligent for neglecting to deal with a problem which had happened many times over.

 

[luckynumbah7]

At a minimum Disney had an obligation to be sure that guests were aware of the allegator danger. A deep water warning was not enough to warn that wading and getting to close to the water were a danger. These were educated people with responsible jobs. They would not have allowed the child to wade if they had realized that alligators were a possible danger. I am sure that now the signs will be changed and guests will be verbally warned when they check in--not only at this hotel but many others in FL. Under water fences possibly; am not sure what is realistic.

It's Florida. You have the same danger out of the park. You cannot assume a danger doesn't exist when there's both a sign warning off the water and the whole state is known as being a possible gator buffet. It's possible they missed the last bit. They didn't miss the sign. They did make a mistaken and think the edge 'wouldn't matter' and that it didn't apply to them. There were concrete repercussions/death - I doubt, knock-on-wood, they'll make a similar mistake again.

 

[Alistair]

Well you ignored my reply.

what would have been sufficient? Should Disney build glass domes over every body of water within the conceivable reach of a child from its properties?

A simple alligator warning. That's all. So simple.

I was going to share a picture the hotel had on their website of children playing on the edge of the water, one dipping a bucket into the water to add to the sand castle that was built a foot off the waters edge.I saw it last night, I didn't share here because of the CoC.

Funny thing is, Surprise! The picture has now been removed. I wonder why that is?

 

[Alistair]

That's crap. There are manmade harbors and manmade beaches too. None of these guarantee you can't drown or run into a wild animal if you go swimming.

Manmade lake does not mean "swimming pool." And even if it did, gators have worked their way into private swimming pools in the backyards of private homes in Florida.

Would you take your family into a lake on a 7 foot canoe knowing how easily they overturn? One that has alligators in it? Would you rent a canoe to someone that wants to take their children out on the lake?

Would you build a beach on the edge of a lake in Florida, rent a cabin to a family with children and not tell them their might even be the slimmest of chances that there could be alligators in the lake? You'd just tell them not to swim in the lake?

After an alligator jumped out of the lake at your renters, you'd still only tell the renters a week later to not swim in the lake because it has a steep drop off?

Y'all are nuts.

 

[BillyT]

I do wish people would read threads before comenting.
This was NOT on Disney property
The only reason Disney keeps getting mentioned in the media is because it is int he vicinity of DisneyWorld

Disney does own that property.

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[LeicsDom]

Disney does own that property.

I stand corrected

 

[xbuzzerx]

People in this thread are being ridiculous for ridiculous sake.

I guess what these people want is a sign that lists every possible predator that could be in the water on one sign, as well as warning you that if you cannot swim then you will drown.
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At the end of the day these people fucked up and let their kid in water that shouldn't have been there in the first place. I wouldn't hammer these Parents regardless them needing to know better when they lost a 2 year old child, that in itself is enough to where people don't need to be harassing them about what happened.

Here's the thing, there are signs, warnings for things for a reason. These things aren't there to be inconvenient to you, they have a purpose. I am sure people here have ignored signs and warnings, but when something goes wrong when we do these things, it's our own personal disregard that got us there. Not anyone else's.

I'm betting people wonder why things like those warnings on bottles of shampoo not to eat it, pour it into your eyes etc. exist. It's because of the kind of responsibility phobia you see in this thread.

I suppose the signs should have also included a 1,000 page attached document listing all of the possible chemicals, protozoans and bacterium that the water has or hasn't been tested or treated for, etc. Not that anyone would read it. They would not read it and still say it was someone else's fault after they went in and swam.