A Question for you Pro-Heathcare Reformers

[Lefty]

Stupid white ass me that voted for Obama the man not the skin tone and does

the same in the other options of his life....weighing all aspects of his life. Then,

stupider bleeding heart conservative me started slogging through this squared

circle of a thread looking for a healthy reasonable debate on a somewhat uhm

volatile subject. Stupider still naive me thought even a good 10 round CLEAN"

fight could prove educational.

Net analysis is this CAT FIGHT of BRAWLING and RUDE and LUDICROUS alley cat

fracassing has had a sum total result of heaps of ripe excrement in all of its

corners, accomplished as much as the senate /congress and current

administration have. In fact, they have won my vote to replace the old

group....New shit and shitters is always a positive change. Right???

Stupidest me, the jub joker, is leaving discouraged....at the top of my form

I could never have produced like this. Some of you I expected this from, some

of you surprised me...all of you disappointed me And Mega Stupid me actually

thinks someone will read this post..think and reconsider their outlook and/or

approach .

 

[jackoroe]

Ok. So nothing is 100%. Good for you.

All I'm seeing is denial denial denial, like you think the tea party movement is so diverse.

Give me a break...

You're talking to someone who knows better. I'm beginning think you are in such denial of the dearth of diversity in conservative America that you may be totally blind to it. It's such an uncomfortable truth for you that you won't even allow yourself to open your eyes and try to explain why.

Look, don't blame me because you made a ridiculous statement. It's not really challenging to discredit and absolute statement. I only need to find one example to prove you wrong.

And I'm talking to somebody who thinks they know better, but really doesn't, as evidenced by the aforementioned statement.

The uncomfortable truth is that there are people from all walks of life in the Tea Party. That doesn't fit into your own narrow minded view of what you want them to be.

 

[Kulindahr]

We are talking about the tea party movement and the fact that it is monolithically made up of White people, which conservatives either routinely fail to explain or concoct a cockamamie defense that reflects poorly on their reasoning skills.

Actually you were asserting it was monolithically white. I'm not convinced many have accepted your proposition.

Perhaps saying "predominantly white" would work, since it recognizes that there are indeed participants who are black, Asian, and Hispanic as well.

 

[Kulindahr]

This thread, however, is not about racist problems, so about the health care bill, as a foreign student from China, I agree on it, but I'm to lazy to explain, this video stands for my point of view.

Your video is useless: it begins with a false definition of socialism in order to make its point. I could prove anything I wanted, too, by starting with a definition that lets me introduce whatever evidence I please.

 

[JB3]

I would like to have reasonable discussion on the issue, but so far all I'm getting is denial. I can't believe we haven't moved past admission yet. Is the cognitive dissonance really that bad?

Would you really?

They're brainwashed White people who listen to Rush Limbaugh. How do I know this? I've never met a tea partier who doesn't look like a deer in headlights when confronted with a meaningful question.

I've also never heard a good explanation why the tea party movement is monolithically White.

^^^ Wow... I'm so impressed you found some token black men NickCole.

Unfortunately for you, you are talking to someone who knows better.

The vast majority of tea party movement pictures and rallies have no black people at all, so what you are really trying to prove with these pictures is that you can grossly misrepresent something all you like by cherry picking. In that case, you are also wasting your time because I'm well aware how capable you are of doing that.



Hey I didn't want to be the first one to say it, but yes it has those elements.

You are truly blind.

It's sad. It's really sad.

Spare me the psychological crap, ok? My mom is a mental health professional who has tried to manipulate me with psychology since I was a tiny tot.

You need to grow up, a lot, and it's not just me who's saying that.

The reality is if you really knew me and what activism I am party to you would probably smack your mouth right now, or someone who really knows me would do it for you.

Fact of the matter is denying the racist problem in American conservatism and the tea-party movement is something that you have to deal with, not me.

Thanks for artfully trying to craft the image of proof.

It doesn't fool me, and it doesn't fool anyone else.

Like Johann said, so you scraped the bottom of the barrel and furnished three pictures. Whoopie!!



Please save your misanthropic attitude for someone else. I'm sick of it, and so are many others.



I'm telling you what I've seen, I don't have to believe your rough estimates by a singular piece of personal anecdotal evidence, and I'm no casual observer of American politics either.

The tea party movement is made up of white people, period, and it's frankly amusing to watch people try and squirm out of it.

If you wanted to have a reasonable discussion, the bullshit above wouldn't have been posted. All you want is to further your notion that tea parties=white people only, and you'll say anything, no matter how unreasonable and laughable to do so. Perhaps if you want to have a reasonable discussion, you should take your own advice and start being reasonable with your arguments.

 

[opinterph]

I’ve been looking online and can’t find any reliable source that offers a demographic breakdown detailing affiliation with the Tea Party Movement. I am looking for verifiable percentages, etc. I found lots of assumptions, but no facts. Has this been studied? Can anyone share a link?


Several years ago some people were complaining that the blogosphere was reinforcing the same white male power structure …

It's also important to remember that this movement is still young. It's still not that advanced, it's still building coalitions, it's still maturing. – Matt Stoller (2007)

At the Yearly Kos Bloggers' Convention, a Sea of Middle-Aged White Males​

 

[JB3]

Jockyboy, how about you try and actually put forth a reasonable argument? All you do is criticize the other members without actually attempting a reasonable argument.

 

[Lefty]

Wow guys,

I will probably be given a vacation or gone permanently here shortly. Seems some one complained to the mods because I implied he might be a bit self centered and agrandized. [Text: Removed by Moderator]

While not naming him specifically he accused me of violating rules and personally attacking him....interesting, I THOUGHT MY POST WAS VERY MELLOW COMPARED TO MOST OF HIS AND A FEW OTHERS.

Oh well, Maybe the mods will review and weigh all the data...if not, a couple of people here can get me msgs if you just want to say hi.

Take care....oh, and I am trying to be a grown up about this incident Mr. un named person.

 

[opinterph]

Lefty, I removed your post, without any prompts. I do not foresee any vacations in your future, but admit that my forecasting skills are subject to revision.

BTW~ Please do not intentionally misspell another member's screen name as a means to bait or insult him/her.

 

[Kulindahr]

Okay, JockBoy, you found an opinion piece that seems to want to do the same thing you're doing, casting the Tea Party business as a solely white phenomenon.

How about we settle for "predominantly" and move on?

 

[JB3]

I agree with all of this.

This is why conservatives alienate minorities.

This is why minorities don't register Republican.

If you [conservatives] are really interested in a higher showing of minorities in the Republican Party, start by addressing these issues, and stop denying to me and yourselves that the problem exists. If you are just going to deny it to me, you are wasting your time and your breath.












Most importantly:



Read the whole article: http://www.alternet.org/news/145560..._under_the_surface_of_the_tea_party_movement/

He makes quite a few assumptions that are, quite frankly, not accurate. Consider the source as well; Rich Benjamin is hardly a non-partisan observer viewing the events from the outside. He has as much a stake in proving that the tea party is 'whites only' as democrat politicos do. Mr. Benjamin himself sounds like he has quite the chip on his shoulder as well. (take a look at the title of his book)

 

[palemale]

JockBoy - I really wish you'd make some conservative friends. If you associate only with people that agree with you - you've never grow or learn. There is so much out there - I wish for you to experience more, enjoy life . . . it might surprise you that conservatives are the not the evil and hateful people that you've been led to believe they are.

If you have no conservative friends -- how do you know that racism is rife in American conservatism? Don't rely on TV, the Internet, or politicians to tell you so -- go out and meet people outside your world.

I know some conservatives and Republicans. Most are quite racist. They despise blacks and Latinos. Some aren't too fond of Asians or Jews, either. I know a few racist Democrats as well. At least they voted for Obama. They may be racist, but they aren't stupid.

Of course there are a few black conservatives. The Republicans scrape the bottom of the barrel and trot them out on TV in an attempt to show some diversity. Most, not all, are pretty pathetic, Michael Steele, Alan Keyes, Armstrong Williams.

There are also gay and conservative Republicans, who amazingly enough have no problem voting for candidates who equate them with pedophiles and animal fuckers, would deny them equal rights, aren't troubled if they get beaten for their sexual orientation, and would deny them the right to serve in the military.

So yes, I question the sanity and self-respect of any African American, Latino or Gay person who would vote in a manner that perpetuates the ability of racist and homophobic Republicans to attain any elected office or important political position.

 

[JB3]

Two unsavory choices before you:

1) Admit that conservatives have a hard time attracting minority support and do something about it.

-or-​

2) Let the Democrats enjoy their votes unchallenged.

You paint it as if those are the only choices. You also seem to think that this entire discussion revolves only around the absolutes of your own ideas when, in reality, your ideas reflect your own bias and are in fact incorrect.

 

[jackoroe]

Okay, JockBoy, you found an opinion piece that seems to want to do the same thing you're doing, casting the Tea Party business as a solely white phenomenon.

How about we settle for "predominantly" and move on?

Not going to happen inspite of overwhelming evidence that he's wrong. Pride won't allow it.

 

[Lefty]

Being a moron of indifferent ethnic or religous or political caste, I am curious what it would be like to do this thread on the less critical stuff......

You know, stuff like what does the bill really mean to AMERICANS....what are the ramifications both pro and con or even moot to AMERICANS.

AMERICANS being defined as people who are citizens of the United States of America.

Being a moron I have a hard time seeing what the opinion of others, be they visitors to our country, documented or undocumented aliens, International busybodies or big business interests or just general rabble and shit stirrers,has to do with our integrity, compassion, beliefs and practices.......Guess thats why my first sentence applies to me

 

[archive]

I thought it was obvious. Glad to know it isn't just me.

i enjoyed reading this thread....not because no one really disagreed with you....but more so on word choice (degrees more most all)...you gotta love cep

 

[NickCole]

Are you in Evanston, Illinois? Or, God Forbid, Evanston, Wyoming?

You're making the huge mistake of looking at the Evanston area, and making a blanket statement based on what you see there.

The truth of the matter is that the USA is much less white than what you see. Indeed, some actuarians are projecting that in the next 20 or 30 years, white people will be in the minority.

Strange you assume lovewill bases his statement by Evanston alone. We're a pretty mobile nation these days and most people don't spend every day of their lives in one town. And even if one did, there are newfangled things like TV and the Internet.

But more to the point, lovewill is right that whites are the majority in the U.S., and by a large margin. White Americans make up between 75 - 80% of our population, so lovewill makes a reasonable point that most "movements," as he puts it, that aren't specific to a minority population will likely be majority white.

 

[NickCole]

Are the tea party protests 75-80% white?

I've seen more blacks at tea party protests than on the Democratic side of the aisle in the United States Senate.

You're trying to fit conclusions to your bias.

I've already proved you and Johann were wrong, with pictures and links to sites where blacks were clear in their support for the tea party movement. Your continued insistance that they're insignificant because in your opinion they aren't a large enough percentage of the group, is disrespectful. It's time you stop dismissing the opinioins and voices of blacks in America when they don't conform to what you think they should be.

 

[NickCole]

You didn't answer the question, and I really doubt that, and considering that there are many times more racial minority individuals in the Democratic caucus than the Republican one doesn't give credence to your point.

That is raw statistics. The overwhelming majority of minorities in Congress are Democrats.

I said the United States Senate.

Do you need reading glasses or are you being intentionally disingenuous?

 

[NickCole]

Yes, typical of you to whittle down an argument to insignificant examples.

You think a Tea Party protest is more significant than the United States Senate?