And the Affordable Health Care Exchanges are UP

[Jack Springer]

The site is still dead this morning.

The comparison between Apple and Democare is looking less similar.

 

[chuck10x]

That's because this is still a private, profit-driven, private health insurance-based healthcare system in the U.S.

That didn't change or start with the ACA. There are still real improvements in this reform, such as the fact that before you could have paid your premiums and then been dropped at any time on the thinnest pretext of claiming something was or could have been pre-existing.

They still don't want to insure you, but since they have too,You pay more.
The extra charges also include how old you are, At age 60 you pay double.
Also price is increased based on where you live and if you smoke add in another $2,662.00
They are charging for everything they can.
Aetna has dropped out of of coverage altogether.

 

[White Eagle]

A cousin of mine posted this on FB this AM and was wondering if it is true. Of course I see lies lies lies, but this is something the Breitbart, Beck, Fox Snooze or their ilk would say.
I am wondering if any of you have happened across it. I checked Snopes, FactCheck and Wash Post has a site of false Obamacare news.


http://thecommonsenseshow.com/category/conspiracy/

And before I even get the damn thing posted I think I've found the source of it. Another Alex Jones.

Someone on FB found the snopes link

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/homeinspections.asp

 

[Jack Springer]

^^^

Who knows. I doubt there is a single person who has read the entire law (still in the the process of being written at the current time) and even more doubtful that any one person could explain what's in the law.

The the law grows like the IRS code it will totally take over the country.

 

[Kulindahr]

The ACA poster boy who said supposedly was the first to get insurance and lauded by the WH lied.

Typical.

Lies are just everyday life for Obama and his followers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...acares-celebrity-enrollee-actually-signed-up/

Once again the article you linked doesn't support your claim.

 

[Kulindahr]

I have been saying from the beginning since the public option was dropped, There is no such thing as affordable insurance.
The ACA was based on Romneycare, But, Obama pushed for this and it was passed on on a straight Democratic vote.
Republicans tried to vote it out 42 times and shut down the Govt. to get rid of it.
Before we knew the cost, All I have heard is - Thank you President Obama.
They are still saying it is affordable, But the costs go up simply because I live in Philly, am turning 50 and have a pre-existing condition.
The more you need it, The more it will cost you.
Like it or not, Obama and the Democrats own the ACA

Yes -- and they should be ashamed of themselves for passing a Republican plan.

 

[frankfrank]

Yeah there are amazing portions that most americans agree should be law. Like not being dropped when you get sick like these slimy fucking shithole insurers were doing,

********WHY********* in the hell is this absolutely NEVER, NEVER, NEVER mentioned by Democrats or anybody else supporting what is "best a/k/a" Obamacare? I've been paying attention. Truly, I do not hear or see any media, ever, mention that the insurance company can no longer say "We are sorry to see that you have cancer now, Mr. Murray - we're DROPPING YOUR INSURANCE COVERAGE effective immediately, and of course you now have a pre-existing condition and you can never be insured again. Now, would you just go off into a corner and die, please?"

The real death panels.

 

[T-Rexx]

********WHY********* in the hell is this absolutely NEVER, NEVER, NEVER mentioned by Democrats or anybody else supporting what is "best a/k/a" Obamacare? I've been paying attention. Truly, I do not hear or see any media, ever, mention that the insurance company can no longer say "We are sorry to see that you have cancer now, Mr. Murray - we're DROPPING YOUR INSURANCE COVERAGE effective immediately, and of course you now have a pre-existing condition and you can never be insured again. Now, would you just go off into a corner and die, please?"

The real death panels.

I suspect these "advantages" of Obamacare aren't reported much because they aren't real.

No, you cannot be denied coverage for a pre-existing condition. But, you can be charged through the nose for having a pre-existing condition to the point where you cannot afford the insurance. So how is that different?

No, your coverage cannot be canceled if you get sick, but your rates can be increased to the point where your insurance is no longer affordable. So, how is that different?

It is well to remember that Obamacare is mandatory private insurance. The mechanics of how things get done have changed slightly under Obamacare, but it is still the same old private insurance (with all of its tricks and frauds) that we have suffered for decades.

This is a Republican plan, designed to benefit the insurance industry, not patients.

 

[Kulindahr]

it is well to remember that obamacare is mandatory private insurance. The mechanics of how things get done have changed slightly under obamacare, but it is still the same old private insurance (with all of its tricks and frauds) that we have suffered for decades.

This is a republican plan, designed to benefit the insurance industry, not patients.

QFT -- and well said.

 

[Jack Springer]

Once again the article you linked doesn't support your claim.

You need to read it again. The kid didn't buy insurance, he's thinking about it. He said he signed up -- he did not put down any money to purchase insurance.

And you still promote the lie that democare(tm) is a republican plan. Need I remind you and the others here that it is totally and entirely a democrat plan ... passed by a democrat congress and a democrat president -- not one republican vote.

Get with reality.

 

[chuck10x]

Yes -- and they should be ashamed of themselves for passing a Republican plan.

The real question is, Why would Obama, Reid and Pelosi with the support of all the Democrats pass the law?
Will they be held accountable, or as we find out more pass the blame?
Knowing the faults, Will they repeal parts of the law?
The ACA is Obama's signature piece of Legislation, He campaigned on it and spent his first year in office to get it through.

 

[xbuzzerx]

The real question is, Why would Obama, Reid and Pelosi with the support of all the Democrats pass the law?
Will they be held accountable, or as we find out more pass the blame?
Knowing the faults, Will they repeal parts of the law?
The ACA is Obama's signature piece of Legislation, He campaigned on it and spent his first year in office to get it through.

I think/hope what the gameplan is, is to use the ACA as a framework to build and improve upon. I'm not sure what elements of it need "repealing" specifically, and I don't really know of any that would fix your current predicament.

I totally agree that we need a real, viable public option or an extension of a medicare type program for all people who are not able to afford insurance, but again, this law is not the reason you don't have that. Republican obstructionism and massive financial incentivizing of that obstruction and misinformation by entities like Aetna is.

There is a reason Republicans are totally against this law and it's because they are afraid it's going to be the springboard for Americans regarding healthcare the way the rest of the first world does-- as a necessary, morally correct thing for our society to support alongside things like Social Security that, once there, the public won't consent to remove no matter how much small government rhetoric says it should be.

 

[Kulindahr]

You need to read it again. The kid didn't buy insurance, he's thinking about it. He said he signed up -- he did not put down any money to purchase insurance.

And you still promote the lie that democare(tm) is a republican plan. Need I remind you and the others here that it is totally and entirely a democrat plan ... passed by a democrat congress and a democrat president -- not one republican vote.

Get with reality.

He did sign up -- he got an account. That's all he told reporters, and they misinterpreted what he said -- that's what the article says.

I see you insist on ignoring all the evidence that's been given you. The ACA was taken from the Heritage Foundation, and was championed by Newt Gingrich and other Republicans long before the Democrats bowed to Republican pressure and made it a law. That the Republicans then refused to vote for a plan designed by Republicans and amended along the way to make them happy does not make it a Democratic plan; it just shows that Republicans are hypocrites and Democrats are fools.

 

[Kulindahr]

I think/hope what the gameplan is, is to use the ACA as a framework to build and improve upon. I'm not sure what elements of it need "repealing" specifically, and I don't really know of any that would fix your current predicament.

I totally agree that we need a real, viable public option or an extension of a medicare type program for all people who are not able to afford insurance, but again, this law is not the reason you don't have that. Republican obstructionism and massive financial incentivizing of that obstruction and misinformation by entities like Aetna is.

There is a reason Republicans are totally against this law and it's because they are afraid it's going to be the springboard for Americans regarding healthcare the way the rest of the first world does-- as a necessary, morally correct thing for our society to support alongside things like Social Security that, once there, the public won't consent to remove no matter how much small government rhetoric says it should be.

Two easy reforms: first, fix the system to provide more doctors, by taking away the AMA's monopoly over medical schools, and funding several dozen new ones; second, provide incentives for not-for-profit, fraternal insurance organizations. With more doctors, costs will come down; with players in the game who aren't making any profit, the other insurance companies will have to reduce prices in order to compete.

Then levy a 0.01% tax on all financial transactions over $100k, to better fund the system (and Medicare and Medicaid; such a tax could pay for all three and have bucks left over to drop on the debt).

 

[Jack Springer]

He did sign up -- he got an account. That's all he told reporters, and they misinterpreted what he said -- that's what the article says.

I see you insist on ignoring all the evidence that's been given you. The ACA was taken from the Heritage Foundation, and was championed by Newt Gingrich and other Republicans long before the Democrats bowed to Republican pressure and made it a law. That the Republicans then refused to vote for a plan designed by Republicans and amended along the way to make them happy does not make it a Democratic plan; it just shows that Republicans are hypocrites and Democrats are fools.

He didn't sign up for insurance. He signed up for an account on the website. Huge difference.

Not going to listen your rubbish anymore about how the PPACA was made into law by republicans. Spin all your want.

 

[xbuzzerx]

He didn't sign up for insurance. He signed up for an account on the website. Huge difference.

Not going to listen your rubbish anymore about how the PPACA was made into law by republicans. Spin all your want.

No one said "it was made into law by Republicans." It was, however, a Republican-proposed healthcare reform that Democrats adopted in order to get a reform through filibuster and Republicans voted against it anyway.

 

[Kulindahr]

He didn't sign up for insurance. He signed up for an account on the website. Huge difference.

And that's what he told them, so there was no lie.

Not going to listen your rubbish anymore about how the PPACA was made into law by republicans. Spin all your want.

Another lie from Jack -- and it's a blatant one, because it directly contradicts what I wrote, that you're responding to. Seriously, do you even have the capacity to not turn other people's statements into things you have a quick answer for? This lying about what others have posted is a regular habit of yours.

NO ONE here has ever claimed that " the PPACA was made into law by republicans" -- that's your lie, invented by you. You keep responding to that lie, instead of to what people have actually written. So that's not merely "rubbish" "[you] won't listen to any more", it's something you've never listened to because no one here has said it.

 

[Jack Springer]

I think an apology and retraction is due from those who said the ACA website was up and running and that people were buying insurance at that site.

We now know the website is broken and cannot handle requests -- not by being overloaded but by poor and rapid design and inability to stay up.

 

[Kulindahr]

I think an apology and retraction is due from those who said the ACA website was up and running and that people were buying insurance at that site.

We now know the website is broken and cannot handle requests -- not by being overloaded but by poor and rapid design and inability to stay up.

The only evidence we have says that in a few states there are major problems but that overall it is working as well as any on-line effort of the kind could work right out of the gate. We also know that hundreds of thousands of people have already established accounts and those people are examining the options in front of them.

I've dropped in there nearly two dozen times and have yet to have a single problem, as have many others, so we know the website isn't broken -- and those hundreds of thousands of accounts established prove the same thing.

 

[swerve]

^The website HAS been broken for me...

I was FINALLY able to actually ESTABLISH my account and peruse options last Sunday...

It APPEARS that the insurance options available to me, as Chuck10x observed, is overpriced and underwhelming...

This doesn't TOTALLY surprise me -- since I live in Georgia -- and they've declare OPEN WARFARE on this legislation...

But it WAS disappointing...

It was QUITE obvious that I'll need to spend MANY hours calculating the math to figure out WHICH plan is BEST suited for me...

Insurance doesn't play on a level playing field -- they hire HUNDREDS of actuaries to formulate plans that will "trick" consumers...

Oh -- and I planned on starting my mathematical work today -- but, for SOME reason, GEORGIA plans are NO LONGER available on the website...