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Ask The Pornographer - 2015

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BTW... I think we've just had the 1,000th person to try to win an argument with me by saying "Oh yeah. well... YOU MAKE PORN!"

This calls for a celebration.
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We aren't having an argument. That would require a higher level of dislike of you/investment in the topic than I can manage right now.
 
Soilwork said:
mmhmmm. ok.

If you say so.
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I've done so. I called you a bigot, a fool, and a pornographer. These are things that I believe I can demonstrate. You have accused me of looking down on "gay sexuality." I do not believe I've ever in my life made a statement that could be considered other than queer positive. An argument is what will most likely follow your response to this post.
 
IamNoah said:
I've done so. I called you a bigot, a fool, and a pornographer. These are things that I believe I can demonstrate. You have accused me of looking down on "gay sexuality." I do not believe I've ever in my life made a statement that could be considered other than queer positive. An argument is what will most likely follow your response to this post.
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no, what's going to follow is me (and many of the other people here) rolling our eyes at your cringe-worthy lack of self-awareness.

I was the one who called myself a "pornographer" in the thread title, BTW. Clearly that doesn't hurt my feelings.
 
Soilwork said:
no, what's going to follow is me (and many of the other people here) rolling our eyes at your cringe-worthy lack of self-awareness.

I was the one who called myself a "pornographer" in the thread title, BTW. Clearly that doesn't hurt my feelings.
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My goal has not been to hurt your feelings--I haven't considered them. I think of myself as being very good at observing myself and acting from judicious self-knowledge. Please point me to where I have failed to do so or cease accusing me of such. :)
 
It's always cute when people suddenly switch into pseudo-aristocrat gear when called out on their bullshit.
 
Soilwork said:
It's always cute when people suddenly switch into pseudo-aristocrat gear when called out on their bullshit.
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Come again? (Sadly cold, formal, and well-bred are simply who and what I am. My friends and I get together and practice being the most uptight.)

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What specifically are you referencing?
 
LOL you guys are just on different sides of the same gay coin. It's fine that gay porn helped you realize you weren't alone in the world as a gay person. That wasn't what it did for me, and I don't think most people, but good for you!
 
MrPerfectMan said:
LOL you guys are just on different sides of the same gay coin. It's fine that gay porn helped you realize you weren't alone in the world as a gay person. That wasn't what it did for me, and I don't think most people, but good for you!
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Meh... I was living in a very remote Atlantic Canadian farming village in the 80s. We didn't have the internet or any gay representation other than Liberace and Paul Lynde. There was no gay pride day, no gay characters on TV, no gay characters in movies that weren't rated R and if there WERE, they were always either suicidal or psychotic murderers.

Had I had things like Will and Grace or Looking or even JoeMyGod back then... or seen stories about gay people on the news that weren't about "AIDS, the Gay Plague," maybe it would have been different.

But that first gay porn magazine I found was the first positive representation of gay men and sexuality that I ever saw. So THAT's why I count that as my salvation moment.
 
Insofar as I can tell, we agree or at least are not irreconcilable on this point. I see how porn can be very useful--and in any case I make use of it nearly every day. We are arguing about nuns, self-awareness, and "gay sexuality." We are not arguing about porn itself, which while positing a somewhat reductive and problematic notion of male beauty, saved my life in 2005 or so when I was 15 incredibly horny, trapped in the rural south, and sort of unsure as far as what to make of male/male sexuality, my own desires, etc. Porn somewhat expanded my idea of what's possible vis-a-vis sex, intimacy, etc. Yes I think much of what it taught me was reductive and reinforced certain ideas that I do not think have helped me or the gay men I know very much, but that's still not in any way intended to deny the goodness of the images of male intimacy I was able to find as a teenage boy.
 
The war is over. It's useless to try and get everyone in the world to be accepting of gays. I really could care less anymore. It's also immature to associate disapproval of one's lifestyle as right out hate. There's been a breakdown somewhere, because the two do not mean the same thing. I think that's what Noah is maybe trying to touch on.
 
Do most of your performers know ahead of time who there scene partner is?

You know -- so that they might hook up a day or so before the shoot and be more comfortable with each other...

Or -- do they just show up, and find out on the day of the shoot?
 
MrPerfectMan said:
The war is over. It's useless to try and get everyone in the world to be accepting of gays.
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Just like it's useless to try to get me to be accepting of people who are ruled by their own guilt and deny themselves any real happiness in the name of some invented imaginary magic sky man.

I don't care what they think of me. I have a very low opinion of them. And I'm allowed that opinion, right?
 
MrPerfectMan said:
The war is over. It's useless to try and get everyone in the world to be accepting of gays. I really could care less anymore. It's also immature to associate disapproval of one's lifestyle as right out hate. There's been a breakdown somewhere, because the two do not mean the same thing. I think that's what Noah is maybe trying to touch on.
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Not exactly what I was saying (I do not consider myself as attempting to make any point at all about homophobia or nuns); but I TOTALLY agree with what you have said here.
 
swerve said:
Do most of your performers know ahead of time who there scene partner is?

You know -- so that they might hook up a day or so before the shoot and be more comfortable with each other...

Or -- do they just show up, and find out on the day of the shoot?
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Generally they know who their scene partners will be when I book them for the scenes. Sometimes I have last-minute cancellation or changes, but even then I give the guy who didn't have to cancel on me veto power on the scene partner.

Some studios don't tell who their scene partners will be but that's rare.

I do, however, try to discourage them from meeting before (often they will already know each other). I like the magnetic energy when they first meet. I want the sex to feel animal, not familiar.
 
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