Florida Gay Club PULSE has been attacked with injuries, and possible hostage situation.

[eastofeden]

This is the first time I used the GoFundMe thing ...for Orlando....I liked it. Great idea to use the GoFundMe....and very easy.....

I am just hoping that I don't get solicited now by other people....

 

[refujiunderground]

They are trying so hard to make this into something they can have a reason to go into iraq, Afghanistan with. Opium and oil to them matter more than gay lives. And folks will still be ready to act like America got their back talking about at least we are not syria. They getting their info from syria from the US government dropping propaganda using ISIS which is a CIA operation.

 

[mikey3000]

I'm still trying to figure out why the DOJ took it upon themselves to edit out the word ALLAH from the 911 tapes. So sneaky, but they got busted.

 

[johaninsc]

They are trying so hard to make this into something they can have a reason to go into iraq, Afghanistan with. Opium and oil to them matter more than gay lives. And folks will still be ready to act like America got their back talking about at least we are not syria. They getting their info from syria from the US government dropping propaganda using ISIS which is a CIA operation.

wut......?

 

[KaraBulut]

I'm still trying to figure out why the DOJ took it upon themselves to edit out the word ALLAH from the 911 tapes. So sneaky, but they got busted.

Um, they didn't. The initial release started with "Praise be to God, and prayers as well as peace be upon the prophet of God, I am in Orlando, and I did the shootings.''

What was redacted were the references to Daesh and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

This is the first time I used the GoFundMe thing ...for Orlando....I liked it. Great idea to use the GoFundMe....and very easy...

Worth noting that when the fund hit $3,000,000 it was the largest sum ever collected by the site. It's now close to $6,000,000.

Gofundme waived their transaction fee, so the entire amount will be distributed to the victims and their families.

 

[johaninsc]

What was redacted were the references to Daesh and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

I find it rather odd that that was done...

 

[KaraBulut]

I find it rather odd that that was done...

According to their statement, the FBI and DOJ didn't want to give credit (i.e. additional Daesh Twitter material) to an organization that "inspires" lone wolves. By putting in the names Daesh and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi , it makes it sound like the shootings were another Daesh act of terrorism when the evidence points to a more complicated motive.

I couldn't find a transcript that actually quoted the actual Arabic phrases that he said, but I'm assuming it was "bismillah raḥmani raḥim" and "alḥamdulillah". The bizarre thing is that the phrases he used in Arabic are not typically something that would be said in that context. It would be like a Christian saying, "In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth" and "thank god"- much like "I see you made it home okay, thank God". It sounds like he was parroting Arabic phrases that he had heard but didn't really understand.

Another interesting piece of information released today was that Mateen's spending spree also included purchasing 3 tickets to San Francisco- for himself, his wife and his son- for a date after 12-Jun-2016 (the day of the shooting).

 

[rareboy]

wut......?

wut indeed.

The idea that 50 homos getting shot up in a homo night club by a mentally disturbed closet case would be used as a pretext for the US to go into Iraq or Afghanistan...two countries it is already in....seems to illustrate a bit of a disconnect with reality and fact.

Drinking the bong water again?

 

[Benvolio]

Omar did not say "praise be to God", or the "prophet of God", he said praise be to Allah and the Prophet of Allah, and redacted the reference to ISIS. The intent is to white wash the muslim terrorist motivation. http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...ensored-orlando-terrorist-transcript-n2181111

 

[kallipolis]

Omar did not say "praise be to God", or the "prophet of God", he said praise be to Allah and the Prophet of Allah, and redacted the reference to ISIS. The intent is to white wash the muslim terrorist motivation. http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...ensored-orlando-terrorist-transcript-n2181111

Mateen spoke in Arabic, not English

The English language translation of the Arabic word, Allah...is, God.

There has been no manipulation of the recorded message.

Arab Christians using the Arabic language use the word Allah when referencing God.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah

I quote:

Allah (/ˈælə, ˈɑːlə, əlˈlɑː/;[1][2] Arabic: الله‎, translit. Allāh‎, pronounced [ɑɫ'ɫɑh] ( listen)) is the Arabic word referring to God in Abrahamic religions.[3][4][5] The word is thought to be derived by contraction from al ilāh, which means "the God", and has cognates in other Semitic languages, including Elah in Aramaic, ʾĒl in Canaanite and Elohim in Hebrew.

 

[KaraBulut]

The English language translation of the Arabic word, Allah...is, God.

Yep- that is the correct translation from Arabic to English.

Everyone conveniently forgets that Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship the same monotheistic diety. Allah, Elohim, Yahweh, Jehovah, G-d and God are all the same diety.

All these battles between Protestant Christianity and Catholic Christianity, between Orthodox Judaism and Reform Judaism and between Sunni Islam and Shi'a Islam are all battles over who is worshiping that one God in the right way.

Arab Christians using the Arabic language use the word Allah when referencing God.

Yes, it's the common word for God in the middle east regardless of the religion. There's evidence that the common word was passed down from ancient languages, long before Islam came into being.

Even those speaking Farsi, Kurdish, Dari, Turkish, etc all use the same phrases like mashallah, inshallah, etc. When they say "God willing" or "Thank God", they're all referring to the same God whether they're Jewish, Christian or Muslim.

 

[mikey3000]

Um, they didn't. The initial release started with "Praise be to God, and prayers as well as peace be upon the prophet of God, I am in Orlando, and I did the shootings.''

What was redacted were the references to Daesh and Abu Bakr.

Are you sure?:


The Justice Department replaced references to ‘Allah’ with ‘God’ in an edited transcript of the 911 call Orlando jihadi Omar Mateen made during the Pulse night club attack.

During the call, Omar Mateen made an Islamic prayer in which he said:

Praise be to Allah, and prayers as well as peace be upon the prophet of Allah [in Arabic]. I let you know, I’m in Orlando and I did the shootings.




In comparison, the edited DOJ transcript says:

Praise be to God, and prayers as well as peace be upon the prophet of God [in Arabic]. I let you know, I’m in Orlando and I did the shootings.

It’s obvious the Obama administration is doing everything it can to downplay the Islamic connection to the attack, all while demonizing Christians and gun owners.

“His very first words are the Bismillah (Arabic: بسم الله‎‎, ‘In the name of Allah’), the Islamic prayer,” commentator Pamela Geller revealed. “It’s what terror-tied CAIR chants in every press conference and press release.”

“[The Obama administration] knew right away and they have been deceiving the American people ever since, protecting and defending the ideology they calls for our destruction.”

Attorney General Loretta Lynch said the DOJ would remove references to Islamic terrorism from the transcript.

“What we’re not going to do is further proclaim this man’s pledges of allegiance to terrorist groups, and further his propaganda,” she said. “We are not going to hear him make his assertions of allegiance [to the Islamic State].”

 

[Benvolio]

Mateen spoke in Arabic, not English

The English language translation of the Arabic word, Allah...is, God.

There has been no manipulation of the recorded message.

Arab Christians using the Arabic language use the word Allah when referencing God.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah

I quote:

The problem is that when in English we say God in the singular we are referring to the God of Christianity and Judaism, ahich is quite different from Allah, notwithstanding the claims of Muslims. Allah should not be translated to God, because the words do not mean the same. Allah should not be translated, because, speaking in English if someone says Allah, everyone knows what is intended.

 

[mikey3000]

Yep- that is the correct translation from Arabic to English.

Everyone conveniently forgets that Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship the same monotheistic diety. Allah, Elohim, Yahweh, Jehovah, G-d and God are all the same diety.

All these battles between Protestant Christianity and Catholic Christianity, between Orthodox Judaism and Reform Judaism and between Sunni Islam and Shi'a Islam are all battles over who is worshiping that one God in the right way.


Yes, it's the common word for God in the middle east regardless of the religion. There's evidence that the common word was passed down from ancient languages, long before Islam came into being.

Even those speaking Farsi, Kurdish, Dari, Turkish, etc all use the same phrases like mashallah, inshallah, etc. When they say "God willing" or "Thank God", they're all referring to the same God whether they're Jewish, Christian or Muslim.

I'm not so sure about this. Here is an interesting read on the subject :

http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/god.htm

 

[kallipolis]

The problem is that when in English we say God in the singular we are referring to the God of Christianity and Judaism, ahich is quite different from Allah, notwithstanding the claims of Muslims. Allah should not be translated to God, because the words do not mean the same. Allah should not be translated, because, speaking in English if someone says Allah, everyone knows what is intended.

There is one but one God. Islam, Christianity, and Judaism acknowledge the same God.

Allah is the Arabic word for God.

 

[xbuzzerx]

The problem is that when in English we say God in the singular we are referring to the God of Christianity and Judaism, ahich is quite different from Allah, notwithstanding the claims of Muslims. Allah should not be translated to God, because the words do not mean the same. Allah should not be translated, because, speaking in English if someone says Allah, everyone knows what is intended.

Patently untrue. There are ethnic Arab people who are both Christian and Jewish who use the word "Allah" when they refer to God because that is not just the translation for the word in Arabic, but also acknowledge by all parties to be exactly the same god.

But I realize you're going to continue writing your own reality anyway...

 

[mikey3000]

There is one but one God. Islam, Christianity, and Judaism acknowledge the same God.

Allah is the Arabic word for God.

The teachings of God in the old testament are very different than Jesus in the new testament. I'm sure very similar to Allah and Mohammad. Christians today should follow the words of Christ and Muslims follow Mohammad.

 

[KaraBulut]

Are you sure?:

Without actually seeing the original transcript verbatim, I can't be sure but a source that I saw this afternoon says that he said what I suspected, "bismillah raḥmani raḥim" which means "In the name of God, most Gracious, most Compassionate".

In Arabic, it's the phrase below if you want to paste it into Google Translate:
بِسْمِ اللهِ الرَّحْمٰنِ الرَّحِيْمِ

It's a phrase that begins most of the chapters of the Qur'an and it's something that you would hear a Muslim say before doing an act of faith. It also occurs in prayers and maybe the Christian equivalent would be a consecration like "Gloria Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto.."? It's something that Muslims memorize when they're children. Since Mateen's first language was English and his family language was Dari (and perhaps Pashto), I wouldn't be surprised if his Arabic were little more than what he memorized from prayers.

If he were to have said "Allahu Akbar" that would have made more sense. That would be an exhortation and something one says in excitement.

The problem is that when in English we say God in the singular we are referring to the God of Christianity and Judaism, ahich is quite different from Allah, notwithstanding the claims of Muslims.

Feel free to visit your local School of Divinity and share your insight and this unique interpretation of monotheism.

The teachings of God in the old testament are very different than Jesus in the new testament. I'm sure very similar to Allah and Mohammad. Christians today should follow the words of Christ and Muslims follow Mohammad.

Actually, no. In Christianity (except for some groups like Unitarians), Jesus is part of the Trinity, so he is God in the flesh.

In Islam, one of the basic pillars of faith is that there is only one God (the Shahada phrase is "There is no god but God. Muhammad is the messenger of God"). Mohammed is not worshipped nor followed since he not a deity (which is why likenesses of Mohammed are never created). Mohammed is more like Moses in Judaism and Christianity- a prophet and a leader, since he founded Islam, united the people and was given revelations that were written down and became the Qur'an.

In Islam, Jesus (known in Islam as Issa) is considered a prophet, too, but not a supernatural being.

The point is that these Abrahamic religions all originated with the belief in one God. That belief was revolutionary but also has been the source of a lot of conflict with other religions. As time goes on, the inherent and historical conflicts between groups of people has led to conflicts between Jews, Christians and Muslims... and intrafaith conflicts between Protestants vs Catholics, Sunni vs Shi'a, Reform Jews vs Orthodox... in spite of their common God.

 

[peeonme]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim
Elohim (Hebrew: אֱלֹהִים) is a grammatically plural noun for "gods" or "Deity" in Biblical Hebrew. In the modern it is often times referred to in the singular despite the -im ending that denotes plural masculine nouns in Hebrew.[1][2]

Most Christians see the use of Elohim in the book of Genesis along with God speaking in a plurality (let us make man...) as a reference to the Trinity and the Deity of Jesus Christ.

God is a title, not a name, so the same title could be given to any supposed or real deity it does not make them the same nor are their names the same due to the title of "God" being used, it's a generic term for whomever one recognizes as a supreme being.

 

[mikey3000]

The Trinity isn't even mentioned in the Christian bible. It wasn't accepted until the Council of Nicea in 325, from which many, many other Gospels didn't make the final cut of the bible. Today's teachings of Christ are so removed from it's origins that even Jesus himself wouldn't recognize them.