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GOProud NOT invited to CPAC 2012

Suburbs were designed for autos; take a look at the ranch houses and what do you see? Usually a large garage in front of the house with large driveway and perhaps a small stoop and front door hidden to the side. Now look at houses built in the 1700's, 1,800's, or even early 1900's. You'll usually see a large front porch; perhaps a swing; chairs and lounges with lots of windows and shaded covering. The front door is prominent and usually leads to a grand entryway. The difference is that they were neighborhoods that were built for people. They encouraged interaction; they encouraged socializing; they embraced the outdoors (newer houses add a deck on the back of the house to access the outdoors -- secluded from all other humans in most cases).

I realize some like the seclusion of the country; I say "great!" For me and my husband, we love people and we love the city. Green Acres is "not for me!" lol!

Well that's great that the city (Washington DC) worked out for you. I am very familiar with the Washington DC area. Maybe living near Logan Circle or Dupont Circle has worked out fantastic for you.

If I lived in the DC area, I would probably feel most comfortable in places like Arlington, Alexandria, or inside the beltway in Fairfax County, Virginia. I'm sure you would agree those places are not exactly "the country."

Maybe you & your husband are social butterflies, but I'm not extremely social. I'm introspective, and I like the peace & quiet of older suburban neighborhoods with tree-lined streets.

Not all gay men are alike. If you like living in the Castro or Boystown or Dupont Circle, well great for you. But I don't like it when people imply that "once people come out" they "have to move to the city." Many gay people live perfectly healthy, satisfying lives in the suburbs these days -- and they wouldn't trade it to move back to the city.
 
Jay, nobody is forcing anyone to move to the city. If you want to live in the suburbs that's fine, but you don't have to justify your choices by insulting others. The reason you catch so much flack here is that you come off as downright hateful and judgmental. Take a step back and realize that when people make choices that are different than yours, it is not an implicit criticism of the choices you've made. Think before you say or write something judgmental and ask yourself why you feel that way. Ask yourself why you should even care.

Seriously, if you just mellow out and stop being so judgmental, I think that would be a big step in improving the way you're perceived by others and your overall happiness. If you're still seeing your counselor, try bringing this up and see what he/she says.
 
Jay, you seem to hate everything that you aren't familiar with. There's far more to San Francisco than "drug users, illegal immigrants, pickpockets, hookers, prostitutes, thieves, and the entire underworld of society."

Seriously, why does everything fill you with hate and disgust?

It isn't even that.

It is the moral superiority that jqueer assigns to one lifestyle over another.

It doesn't work that way.

But it is the hallmark of the travelled and intellectually lazy conservatives. Or children who have been taught to be afraid of everything. It is the Republican answer to the world, although on the whole cities are much healthier than the suburbs, with more cultural and recreational and social opportunities. Oh the surprised looks on the faces of the suburban families when their kids are into drugs, or little Suzy gets knocked up or becomes a prostitute, or their illegal immigrant handyman gets arrested or their kid is found with knives or guns or the husband is arrested for fraud or the wife for shooting her husband.

What a waste of time.
 
It isn't even that.

It is the moral superiority that jqueer assigns to one lifestyle over another.

It doesn't work that way.

But it is the hallmark of the POORLY travelled and intellectually lazy conservatives. Or children who have been taught to be afraid of everything. It is the Republican answer to the world, although on the whole cities are much healthier than the suburbs, with more cultural and recreational and social opportunities. Oh the surprised looks on the faces of the suburban families when their kids are into drugs, or little Suzy gets knocked up or becomes a prostitute, or their illegal immigrant handyman gets arrested or their kid is found with knives or guns or the husband is arrested for fraud or the wife for shooting her husband.

What a waste of time.

Bears repeating and I see that I did a fat finger edit in the first post.
 
Former RNC chairman use to brag that the GOP was the party of inclusion not exclusion. We are the big tent party all are welcome. The party is nothing more then one ring circus of pro life, pro gun, anti gay, anti environment, anti public education, anti tax hikes anti government.
 
But I want to live in White-bread American suburbia. That's what I've known my entire life, growing up in Orange County, California. It's safe, clean, and nice friendly place. I like this kind of lifestyle..........just last month, for the 4th of July, we had a neighborhood potluck BBQ. I baked chocolate chip cookies for the whole neighborhood.......

I guess I'm just very traditional, but I don't see anything wrong with being a "gay Stepford wife" from the suburbs.......

Friendly, eh? This is the same neighborhood you bitched about the "Persian Jews" being homophobes, just 4 weeks ago.

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=348751

As far as your life recommendations, I'll wait until you've lost your virginity, actually have dated anyone, and accepted yourself, before I pay it any heed.
 
Friendly, eh? This is the same neighborhood you bitched about the "Persian Jews" being homophobes, just 4 weeks ago.

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=348751

As far as your life recommendations, I'll wait until you've lost your virginity, actually have dated anyone, and accepted yourself, before I pay it any heed.

Um, no........if you read that post, I said that I was visiting one of my friends in Beverly Hills (which is located in L.A.'s politically liberal Westside).

I live in a gated community in south Orange County, which is very strongly conservative & Republican. Several of our neighbors have held fundraisers at their houses for Republican candidates. My parents have gone to several of those fundraisers. Word on the street is that Mitt Romney will be coming here soon for a "meet & greet."
 
Well that's great that the city (Washington DC) worked out for you. I am very familiar with the Washington DC area. Maybe living near Logan Circle or Dupont Circle has worked out fantastic for you.

If I lived in the DC area, I would probably feel most comfortable in places like Arlington, Alexandria, or inside the beltway in Fairfax County, Virginia. I'm sure you would agree those places are not exactly "the country."

Maybe you & your husband are social butterflies, but I'm not extremely social. I'm introspective, and I like the peace & quiet of older suburban neighborhoods with tree-lined streets.

Not all gay men are alike. If you like living in the Castro or Boystown or Dupont Circle, well great for you. But I don't like it when people imply that "once people come out" they "have to move to the city." Many gay people live perfectly healthy, satisfying lives in the suburbs these days -- and they wouldn't trade it to move back to the city.

Actually Washington has many beautiful tree lined, flower lined streets; the spring is particularly beautiful although the canopy is lush at this time of year. Downtown Alexandria is also spectacular, particularly along the waterfront. It has Metro Access so getting around is not a problem. Only problem with living in Virginia is that my husband and I have no standing whatsoever as a married couple who are gay. The current attorney general has repeatedly challenged anything that supported LGBT or could be construed as such. We looked up worker rights the other day because my husband debated his boss on breaks. Virginia is one of the few states that provides no breaks for workers. Someone can be fired at any time and there is no recourse. So while we love to visit; it is certainly not someplace to which we will move.

I have many friends in the burbs; my point is that everyone has different tastes -- it's what makes the rainbow flag true to form. For me, having been there and done it, it's not for me. If we want quiet, we can go to my mother-in-law's house in Maryland and listen to the crickets chirp (or we can visit my brother and sister back in Michigan).

Actually I can hop on my bike or walk up through Rock Creek Park; stop at the zoo and be back in downtown all in a short time. It's what I love about the city. As for San Fran, I always love visiting because of the gorgeous homes, interesting sites and amazing views. Not sure what makes it a hellhole to you but I've walked all over and loved it. I also don't believe I said anyone has to move to the city; for young people it is a much more popular option as life is rediscovered. And for me and my husband, it's where we would prefer to be.

I do worry for my children and younger people because the costs of living in the city have gone up -- much faster than the burbs. The house I looked at in Chantilly, VA near my old office six years ago was selling then for $520,000 and they were rarely on the market more than a day. Now one could have the same property for half that amount and can bargain with sellers because many have been on the market for a long time. My old deputy director has been sitting on a house for more than 2 years that was a builder's showcase with lots of bells and whistles. She's renting because they would lose so much on a sale.

Meanwhile in DC my condo has gone up more than $70,000 in value (one just sold down the hall for that amount and was on the market less than 2 days). My new assistant and his girlfriend were renting in Southeast -- which used to be a hellhole (and home to most of the gay clubs). They are in a new building and just were notified rent was going up nearly $400 per month. That's a huge increase but the area near the stadium has become popular (especially with lots of gays). The old idea that there was a "gay area" in DC which was Dupont is really gone. Gays are all over the city (and burbs). Dupont is much less gay with new clubs on U Street, 8th, as well as 17th Street.

We wanted to be assimilated into society and I see it more so every day. While I rejoice, I also take pause.
 
I suspect that gate is as adept at holding people in as it is keeping the "undesirables" out.

Well, yes. It keeps the "riff-raff" out. It's so safe & secure here. Plus we have private security guards who patrol our neighborhood.
 
Why else do you think American Beauty was such a hit movie? ..|

That's ironic that you mentioned that movie, because my first sexual experience was with a White married man from our gated community. He was really handsome -- late 40s, dark brown hair, well built, 6'2", 200 pounds........I gave him a blowjob inside his BMW, at a local park.

I didn't know that he was a member of my dad's Republican club until I saw him at the Christmas potluck a couple years ago. We both tried to pretend like we didn't know each other.......it was awkward.......
 
I gave him a blowjob inside his BMW, at a local park.
Too much information, guy! [-X Did he at least reciprocate? Dinner and drinks at one of your "swanky" restaurants? Got any pictures? :confused:
Just a BMW? In Orange County, I would think a Bimmer would only warrant a little "kissy face". For a blowjob, I would have expected at least an S-class Mercedez! :gogirl:
 
That's ironic that you mentioned that movie, because my first sexual experience was with a White married man from our gated community. He was really handsome -- late 40s, dark brown hair, well built, 6'2", 200 pounds........I gave him a blowjob inside his BMW, at a local park.

I didn't know that he was a member of my dad's Republican club until I saw him at the Christmas potluck a couple years ago. We both tried to pretend like we didn't know each other.......it was awkward.......

And thus my point.

If you are being honest in all your postings here at JUB, you're a miserable, ashamed, self-loathing, gaysian. And yet you have a very strong and idealized picture of your perfect life.

I'll let you in on a little secret I learned when I wasn't more than a year or two older than you. Life has a funny way of working out. Currently, you admit, you're miserable. But you somehow know you'll be happy once you find the right, white, conservative, 100% top, monogamous, gay man who is wealthy, lives in the suburbs, and has a white picket fence, while driving a luxury automobile.

There's a lot of people out there in suburbia (and urbania) who did all the "right things" by getting into the "right school", and taking the "right job", buying the "right house", in the "right neighborhood", etc.... and 'ya know what? They're miserable just like you are now. They always thought that if they did all the "right things" somehow, happiness would come to them. Instead, they are relatively well educated, and wealthy, and yet still miserable fucks. You do know what the definition of insanity is, correct?
 
Well, yes. It keeps the "riff-raff" out. It's so safe & secure here. Plus we have private security guards who patrol our neighborhood.

It's obvious that you didn't see the movie (American Beauty) - otherwise you would not have posted this. :(
 
I'm just disheartened right now. This is a major blow.....

But I still hold many conservative beliefs, and I don't agree with a lot of the platforms of the Democratic Party. I don't support higher taxes, I don't support abortion, and I don't support affirmative action, nor do I support granting amnesty to illegal immigrants. I'm also a strong believer in the 2nd amendment.

I'm just a really traditional kind of person. I want to marry a man & raise a family in the suburbs. I don't want to live in a studio apartment for the rest of my life -- I want a cute house with a garage, white picket fence and big green yard. I'm not a "San Francisco" kind of person. I don't need to be a "gay neighborhood" with rainbow flags flying everywhere.


I just don't know where I fit in anymore. I don't agree with most of the platforms of the Democratic Party, but the anti-gay nature of the Republican Party is a turn-off as well. :(


.......... India is the best place for that.
Slaves get paid in peanuts too ? :##:
 
JayQueer, are you ashamed of your ethnicity and/or heritage? Would trade anything, or everything, in the world to be white?
 
I find it hard to comprehend why so many people expend so much energy attempting to find logic, reason or empathy with or from this spoiled, venemous young man. Everything I have ever read from him has been full of irrational, illogical and ridiculous rants. Initially, he seemed legitimate enough with his concerns about his sexuality and family concerns, but he has progressively gotten more and more nasty and homophobic. He has railed on the poor and disadvantaged and continually points out how unfair life is to him even though he is supposedly from a privileged home. Personally, I am writing him off, kids... I believe from the very start he has been baiting and trolling and this latest thread only confirms it for me. If his parents want to send him back to India then maybe that would be the right thing. There he might at last understand how difficult life in the real world can be and stop feeling so damned sorry for himself. Best of luck, Jay; you are obviously going to need it.

No offense, but that is terribly rude of you.

Frankly, you don't personally know me & I don't personally know you. Everyone faces different challenges in life. What might come easily for one person, might be extremely difficult for another. Don't just write me off as a "spoiled young man" -- trust me, there are other challenges & issues I have to face in my life which I have not described here as they are extremely personal.

I'm sorry you think I've been baiting & trolling, but if anything, I have been completely honest with my thoughts here.

Life is a growth process & we all grow at different rates -- if you think that somebody is going to have an "epiphany" and magically change overnight, that rarely happens. Instead, change more often comes gradually.

If you met me 2 years ago, I would have told you that I was dating a few girls from college & wanted to get married (to a girl) soon. Actually, I probably would have kept my distance from anyone openly gay, for fear of being branded "gay" myself.

Now, I've come to the point where I can openly say that I am a gay man -- and I have come out to my family & some friends -- although I'm still trying to become more comfortable with who I am and try to figure out a new balance in my life -- as in trying to be a gay man in America, yet also comfortable with my identity as a gay Indian Hindu.

I think I've made some progress, but I might be a slower driver than you. Please don't judge.
 
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