HBO's new show "Looking" starring Jonathan Groff

[aaggii]

Patrick was still sort of in a relationship with Richie.

He probably thought the relationship was dead anyway, though his reaction at the end of the episode shows he might have had some hope left in him.

Yeah half black in real life, his character is very fair skinned, and he isn't even American. And I don't watch the show, but is he being featured that much?

You say you want diversity but you sure as hell have the perfect image in your head and you will not be satisfied until you see it on a show that (wow) you don´t even watch. Is it diversity or own image that you look for?

And what is it with people always reminding others about what they don´t watch?

 

[ibill1]

I am perplexed by this also. Why would you post on a show you have no interest in and only watched one episode. What can possibly be your reference point if you don't know what has happened in the subsequent 7 episodes and why would you give a damn?

 

[Taralen]

Because it's 2014, the show is set in San Francisco, and it's once again proving this community is racist.

And seeing the first episode i'm justified to talk about it. I can understand if I never saw the show at all. The first episode summed up the entire series quite well.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

It's self-parody at this point Taralen.

 

[aaggii]

Because it's 2014, the show is set in San Francisco, and it's once again proving this community is racist.

And seeing the first episode i'm justified to talk about it. I can understand if I never saw the show at all. The first episode summed up the entire series quite well.

Yeah yeah everything is racist, white people are all devils. Let me guess, you have a tumblr account?

And no, one episode doesn´t sum up the entire series ¨quite well¨. You can´t make that statement unless you saw the whole show. Do you say you read a whole book after the first chapter?

 

[ibill1]

Because it's 2014, the show is set in San Francisco, and it's once again proving this community is racist.

And seeing the first episode i'm justified to talk about it. I can understand if I never saw the show at all. The first episode summed up the entire series quite well.

How is that possible? How could one episode of an 8 episode series sum up an entire season? You haven't seen the whole season and can only assume what might have taken place. Even reading all other comments you can only see what others opinions are. And no, I don't think you are justified to talk about it, YOU HAVEN"T SEEN IT!

 

[RRUGER]

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How is that possible? How could one episode of an 8 episode series sum up an entire season? You haven't seen the whole season and can only assume what might have taken place. Even reading all other comments you can only see what others opinions are. And no, I don't think you are justified to talk about it, YOU HAVEN"T SEEN IT!

but did we see any black guys at all.

lets not completely shut him down, we can talk about it.

i like the show better simply because of the latino guy and tovey. they started doing better since they went the intimate route. i really dont like the main character, but we will see.

i really didnt see any dark black man on the show, its interesting but i have not made my conclusion yet till i watch the whole series again to see what taralen is talking about

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

Because it's 2014, the show is set in San Francisco, and it's once again proving this community is racist.

And seeing the first episode i'm justified to talk about it. I can understand if I never saw the show at all. The first episode summed up the entire series quite well.

Wait, wait, wait.

Your first complaint is that it's set in America but has international actors.
Your next complaint is that the black guy is "too lighted skinned" and "dominating".
Then you complain that he's not black at all.
Then you "boycott" because there aren't ENOUGH black characters, while saying this show is more popular than Noah's Arc(it isn't - both, so far, have had or will have two seasons and only one had a movie), yet go on about DIVERSITY(refer to complaint number 1).
THEN you inform us that you've only watched one episode(which isn't true, as you've stated you've watched at least three).
Then you complain that the community is racist?!

I agree with Sgt. Pepper - you've gone way far into self-parody and are only serving your own ideals of what diversity should be, rather than what it is.

 

[RRUGER]

wait, wait, wait.

Your first complaint is that it's set in america but has international actors.
Your next complaint is that the black guy is "too lighted skinned" and "dominating".
Then you complain that he's not black at all.
Then you "boycott" because there aren't enough black characters, while saying this show is more popular than noah's arc(it isn't - both, so far, have had or will have two seasons and only one had a movie), yet go on about diversity(refer to complaint number 1).
Then you inform us that you've only watched one episode(which isn't true, as you've stated you've watched at least three).
Then you complain that the community is racist?!

I agree with sgt. Pepper - you've gone way far into self-parody and are only serving your own ideals of what diversity should be, rather than what it is.

but he is right about the black character though.

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

but he is right about the black character though.

What is he right about? That he's too light-skinned? That he's dominating(the 5 episodes I watched, I've yet to see him as such - Patrick is more domineering!)? That he's not black or not black enough?

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

Damn site editing - hate double posting.

I just don't get his logic - if he doesn't like the show(and I've been vocal about my displeasure), then that's fine... but if you don't like it because it doesn't feature the right amount of blackness, with the right color skin, then I don't and can't follow. While I too want diversity - and TRUE diversity at that - I'm not looking to see a mirror... I'd have a better chance of seeing that in Sons of Anarchy.

And I still want to know who this "white acting" gay black man was on QAF that supposedly had a big part, or one big enough to mention - the couple that seemed like the mirror to the knockoff "Days of Our Lives" tv show that both got Emmitt to suck their dicks? The Flight Attendant that Emmitt slept with/sucked off while dating Ted? Because those are the only two "white acting" black guys I really remember.

 

[SFLMAN]

I enjoyed this series. Can't wait for season 2. The last episode kept you wanting more.

 

[ibill1]

but did we see any black guys at all.

lets not completely shut him down, we can talk about it.

i like the show better simply because of the latino guy and tovey. they started doing better since they went the intimate route. i really dont like the main character, but we will see.

i really didnt see any dark black man on the show, its interesting but i have not made my conclusion yet till i watch the whole series again to see what taralen is talking about

What does it matter what he is talking about? By his own admission he has only watched one episode. His observstions are useless based on seeing a single episode out of 8. Why does there have to be a "dark black man" on the show? Are they less black than a light-skinned black man? I just don't get it. If there is a difference I apologize for my ignorance. I'm an older homo guy. Should I boycott the show because the only older character, Scott Bakula, isn't old enough and there should be more representing us older guys?

 

[aaggii]

I'm an older homo guy. Should I boycott the show because the only older character, Scott Bakula, isn't old enough and there should be more representing us older guys?

Apparently you have to stop watching the show but come back here bitching about it.

Also, hello there older homo guy

 

[RRUGER]

What does it matter what he is talking about? By his own admission he has only watched one episode. His observstions are useless based on seeing a single episode out of 8. Why does there have to be a "dark black man" on the show? Are they less black than a light-skinned black man? I just don't get it. If there is a difference I apologize for my ignorance. I'm an older homo guy. Should I boycott the show because the only older character, Scott Bakula, isn't old enough and there should be more representing us older guys?

the point is man, there is always the representation in the gay culture of the preference of a lighter skin black guy than a dark skin one. I feel that there should be a black guy on the show not necessarily be the main character but at least the existence of one. This why some blacks claim racism within the gay community.
I don't blame you, its just your lack of not wearing the same pair of shoes.
the guy is probably pissed off and just judged the series on the little he has seen, which i dont blame him either. what made me stick with the show was the connection between the guy and his boss and eddie. it was intersting and quite realistic

 

[ibill1]

There is also a representation in the gay culture for the preference of young hot guys instead of older guys like myself. No, I haven't worn those shoes only my own. I realize I am at the top of the pole of this screwed up society. White older successful male. As an older gay male I see a lot of age discrimination in our community. Look at your avatar. In fact, look at almost all the avatars on JUB. Hot sexy bodies of 20 something guys. I'm not saying being older is the same as being black, not even close, but there are similarities to all kinds of misrepresentations and we just have to live with it. After all, it's just a TV show.

 

[RRUGER]

my avatar is mines and no we don't have to live with it.

I disagree with that, so we should have to live with hate crimes, intolerance and inequality, slavery. change is always going to be good.

it doesnt mean because things are just darn bad we should get used to it.

when you watch tv, thats a projection , a vision and opportunity to enlighten others not just randomly portray half truths.

i enjoy this show for what it is and i am not asking it to be a role model but it would be fairly respensible to at least have a black gay man in it just not perpuate blacks dont exist.

its fucked up

 

[ibill1]

You are putting words in my words. I didn't say we should just live with all these things you have listed. I only meant the way we are sometimes portrayed in the media. Black, old, trans; whatever. All the things you listed are social wrongs that do need changed and no we shouldn't just live with those. It is fucked up.

 

[checkinthingsout]

The Richie/Patrick thing seems sort of doomed-- too much to overcome in the class differences there and I'm hoping they don't take it in the direction of "working class Richie is really in touch with his emotions in a way that uptight yuppie Patrick isn't and teaches Patrick how to feel"-- that whole nobility of the common man is a bit played.

Similarly, I'm hoping they don't try and create a Brian/Justin (QAF) thing out of it where they are constantly breaking up and getting back together and even if they don't know they're right for each other, the audience surely does, etc.

I don't know about that theme being "played", but I don't think it has that much to do with class difference directly. I think it is more a difference of emotional maturity and being secure in oneself, which is a product of class, but if you think of the "machismo" culture that Richie most likely had to overcome, I'm sure it was just as much pressure as Patrick's yuppie roots. That is a challenge that all Gay men have to go through and I think the show seeks to highlight that in different ways. With Patrick this manifests itself in never having had a relationship, and not being mature enough to see what's in front of him or knowing how to respect someone who is really close to you. With Richie, it manifests itself in giving over fully to his emotions so much as to make irrational decisions (jumping out of car on freeway).

Great ending or starting point for next season.
I think Richie is my favorite, hairy latin with a tender soul.

welcome to the Club!

I think Patrick will be stronger after the events of the finale. I think he knows what he wants now, and it isn't Kevin. His insecurity drives much of what I find interesting in the show. I'd love to see him with Richie, but Richie was spot on about Patrick not being ready.

Totally agree, you can tell he has a little more maturity/experience when it comes to reading people in relationships.

 

[checkinthingsout]

when you watch tv, thats a projection , a vision and opportunity to enlighten others not just randomly portray half truths.

i enjoy this show for what it is and i am not asking it to be a role model but it would be fairly respensible to at least have a black gay man in it just not perpuate blacks dont exist.

its fucked up

RRUGER I understand the frustration with there not being many black characters on the show, but you cannot say that because of that it is displaying a "half truth". Please refer to my post #151. Summary: There are not that many black people in San Francisco. Let alone Gay Black Men who are Out. The only half truth according to the data is that there are not enough men of Asian descent on the show.

The whole light-skin/Dark-skin argument is a little shaky as well. You still haven't said why him being darker would change the value of the show...

Remember, you have to find a good dark skin black actor to portray one of these characters. That requires finding young black actors willing to portray gay men on screen, knowing that it could pin hold them into only playing gay characters from here on, because there are not many black roles in Hollywood to begin with.

I dont think it is perpetuating the idea that blacks don't exist, nor do I feel like it is a racist show or perpetuating racism, but I strongly feel in this show, you dont see many black people, because realistically there aren't many in San Francisco. Even observing the extras and people in streets, you dont see any black people. That is because we are not highly concentrated in the city of San Francisco (see post #151). HBO usually keeps its drama series' pretty close to reality.