"High school pastor" says gays can "change" in OC

[rareboy]

Putting matters in perspective we are posting our opinions on a discussion board, rather than deciding on matters of life, and death.

Kalli.

You should spend some time on CO&R. Or more time in HT.

Where it isn't just about some silly little political pissing match or philosophical abstractions.

Often it is about real guys, sometimes young adults, in real conflict.

It isn't the place for people to make up stories about their unyielding unwillingness to accept their homosexuality, about fake struggles they are having with their families or with their gender identity or their fetishism.

So to be blunt, I don't give a shit if someone wants to stir the pot when it comes to the endlessly unpleasantly partisan politics in the US, but I do object when anyone mis-uses the other boards here to play out some malignant fantasy life.

Having someone constantly reinforce the negative aspects of accepting themselves is not helping the other posters who come to a forum with real issues and need positive reinforcement and encouragement. This is particularly the case where it is all thrown into doubt whether someone like the OP is anything but a sociopathic personality manipulating discussion for some other bizarre purpose.

And you shouldn't be trying to defend fakes so strenuously Kalli, because you know that there are a number of Jubbers who don't buy the persona that you sell here either.

 

[kallipolis]

@kallipolis
Well, if you want to respond, reply to, and debate a simulation of a stereotyped human being, then knock yourself out. I'll focus instead on the real conservative JUB posters who are true to themselves and aren't interested in pretending to fantasize over white, Republican, masculine men who own Ford F-150s that they park in their colonial style mansions.

You deserve much more respect for your intelligence and input than JayQueer has given you, kallipolis.

I am not easily annoyed, or even moved by the responses of any poster.

JayQueer knocks spots of the resident conservative posters with his cleaver, baiting posts that actively encourage robust responses from posters, such as your self.

I am concerned that we do not eliminate the input of posters simply because they articulate their opinions so well, that they generate heated discussions.

Surely, this is the purpose of this forum?

Personalising should be avoided; more so, when responding to posters with a clearly demonstrated personality challenge.

 

[kallipolis]

Kalli.

You should spend some time on CO&R. Or more time in HT.

Where it isn't just about some silly little political pissing match or philosophical abstractions.

Often it is about real guys, sometimes young adults, in real conflict.

It isn't the place for people to make up stories about their unyielding unwillingness to accept their homosexuality, about fake struggles they are having with their families or with their gender identity or their fetishism.

So to be blunt, I don't give a shit if someone wants to stir the pot when it comes to the endlessly unpleasantly partisan politics in the US, but I do object when anyone mis-uses the other boards here to play out some malignant fantasy life.
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Having someone constantly reinforce the negative aspects of accepting themselves is not helping the other posters who come to a forum with real issues and need positive reinforcement and encouragement. This is particularly the case where it is all thrown into doubt whether someone like the OP is anything but a sociopathic personality manipulating discussion for some other bizarre purpose.

And you shouldn't be trying to defend fakes so strenuously Kalli, because you know that there are a number of Jubbers who don't buy the persona that you sell here either.

I will post as I please in accordance with the posting conditions.

Nor, do I swallow bait.

 

[rareboy]

Seriously. 'Kalli'

I worry that you think that the OP articulates their position so well. It is the opposite. It has been the case, time and time again, that the opinions are so extreme and bizarre, with his/her personal fetishes and fantasies mixed in, that they only have encouraged frustration and disgust that they are allowed to stand.

It is why this poster basically can't even enter CE&P anymore....because their threads and posts laced their fake ultra conservative political screeds with their personal sexual history. Why you think they are clever or well articulated is beyond me.

No one really cares if you are a fake because you only post from a remote intellectual distance. You don't bother us with some 'real' you and you apparently live in a country where your opinions on the ground war in the US over homo rights are largely irrelevant, albeit interesting.

So there's the difference.

But as JB says. If you want to engage in a death match debate with an avatar that apparently can lie like a rug, then knock yourself out.

And Jayqueer....I'll bet that 'self-imposed hiatus' that you found impossible to stick to because you are addicted to this site is starting to look mighty good in retrospect.

 

[rareboy]

Oh. And by the way. I see that amid the flood of 5 star ratings from the disciples of the Stepford Compass Bible Church, they now have allowed a second negative review from Gay_In_DB and one from David to stand.

Since it is so obvious though that the Church could exercise this degree of control over the listing on this site....I would still recommend that JUBBERS not create any profile on that site that would allow their personal information to be accessed.

 

[bw92116]

Can someone post these on their wall? I don't have Facebook. Thanks.

Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Matthew 25:40 "Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me."

 

[rareboy]

You can't post to their wall any more.

They blocked access almost immediately.

 

[Ram]

When I think I know what this thread is about then when I read the next post -- boom! -- mindfuck.

So JayQ is the pastor?

 

[rareboy]

I wouldn't be half surprised.

What doesn't make sense here is that we went from having two negative but reasonable comments left on the Bible Church page to having the page flooded with fake testimonials in praise of the work of this closet case preacher man. And the first two negative comments removed. But then, in an apparent change of heart, we're now permitted to have two less than glowing reviews.

Totally disproportionate to the event.....which I would note, the congregation of this church wouldn't have even known about.

So I happen to think, after reading most of these responses, that almost all of them are fake too. A quick scan shows that all of these people have never posted on any other subject.

I would say, don't waste your time with Blakey or the Patch site. They should go out and get new members a different way. something smells like yesterday's fish here.

 

[Kulindahr]

Except that his/her identity is a lie. We have other true, conservative gay posters here who are undermined by his/her stereotypical interpretations of how he/she views a gay conservative. Which is why he/she has never had support on the CE&P forum from any conservative. All of this is actually a confirmation of how everyone has always felt about "JayQueer." That he is a character, a cartoon of a false image that doesn't exist. Now that we know it's this strangely bizarre person making up stories, we can conclude there's no such person as JayQueer (only an attention seeking individual of epically sad proportions).

What identity is a "lie"? I haven't seen anything to make me think he's other than what he's said.

I wouldn't be half surprised.

What doesn't make sense here is that we went from having two negative but reasonable comments left on the Bible Church page to having the page flooded with fake testimonials in praise of the work of this closet case preacher man. And the first two negative comments removed. But then, in an apparent change of heart, we're now permitted to have two less than glowing reviews.

Totally disproportionate to the event.....which I would note, the congregation of this church wouldn't have even known about.

So I happen to think, after reading most of these responses, that almost all of them are fake too. A quick scan shows that all of these people have never posted on any other subject.

The latter is no big deal -- lots of people in churches like that have no interest in the internet except as a tool for God. The two initial negative posts would have been seen by whoever tracks the site as attacks by Satan, and would have immediately called the prayer chain line. I don't know how big that church is, but the Lutheran church here my mom attends has over a hundred people on the prayer chain, and alerting all of them takes no more than half an hour. With something important, that means people would be responding within ten minutes, and by the end of an hour three hundred or more would have been notified.

What you've got in this church is a set of people who wouldn't see any reason to post on any subject but "the Gospel" or their church, so that they've never posted on any other subject isn't surprising at all (though it does say something about the narrowness and shallowness of the church).

I'm kicking myself right now because I had a tab open to the responses and a page with notes, and when I forgot to close them earlier when some update said it had to force a shutdown, I lost them. But the point of the notes was that it appeared to me that a third of those responses were written by the same person. It wouldn't surprise me if this 'pastor' sat there churning out positive messages and emailing them to willing parishioners eager to help, to submit under their names.

Sounds like a conspiracy theory? I've been part of some churches like this, and they all sound like conspiracy theories, the people act like part of a conspiracy, and they respond like the fanatic troops you'd expect from conspiracists.

 

[ShihTzuTylenol]

There is no doubt that there is a great conflict ongoing in the life of the person who posts here as JayQueer, and that many of his claims to be who he is are highly suspect, even mendacious.

so yer submitting that Jay Cue is an imposter? oh the shame!

 

[JayQueer]

UPDATE

In response to assertions from Rareboy about Patch, I do not believe "Patch" in itself is right-wing. Patch is a local, neighorhood blog, so on Patches that are associated with conservative neighorhoods in Orange County, the chance you will encounter right-wing posts from conservative users will be higher.

There are also "Patch" blogs for liberal neighborhoods -- such as West Hollywood, California. On the "West Hollywood Patch," there are many news items and discussion items involving gay men & gay-centric news in WeHo -- not surprisingly, because gay men are very big demographic in West Hollywood. Many of the commenters on the WeHo Patch are gay men.

"West Hollywood Patch" often features news about WeHo city politics, city council drama, & other local issues that the LA Times or other news sources may not report.

See the West Hollywood Patch --

http://westhollywood.patch.com/

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About the sudden surge in posts in praise of Compass Bible Church, I was tipped off that the church members were asked to go onto Patch and comment from the church's Facebook wall.

Btw, yes, the church's facebook wall is still visible. There is also a post where they asked their members to go onto Patch and "spread the word" --

http://www.facebook.com/compasschurch?sk=wall

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Finally, Julianna Crisalli (the local editor of the Aliso Viejo Patch) reported on pastor Bobby Blakey's video, and people have commented on the news article below --

http://alisoviejo.patch.com/article...pped-in-the-lifestyle-aliso-viejo-pastor-says

 

[Kulindahr]

I see comments can be posted on the article without an account. I left mine.

Have fun, guys, but be nice.

 

[kallipolis]

so yer submitting that Jay Cue is an imposter? oh the shame!

That is your characterisation, just as your many posts would evidence that not everything you speak of your self, should be regarded as "gospel." Likewise with many, if not the majority of posters who regularly contribute to these forums.

I would never characterise you as an imposter.