If you ever say you are "straight acting" that is a copout

[Kahaih]

There is no "gay community". There are just all the gays who live and let live, and then you guys who are so arrogant it makes the pope look meek and uncertain.

This is one of those opportunities where it'd be real easy for someone to discredit your comments and sweep them all away with a "No shit, Sherlock, I hope you haven't been waiting around for a zip code."

But, here's a little tip for you; it's going to be real hard for people to have any respect for your political/sociological views once you've convinced them that you don't understand Community Demographics. You'll probably want to avoid the CE&P forum.


Then again, if you tell us that you do understand Community Demographics, we'll have no other choice but to believe that you were/are just practicing your Psychological Manipulation skills - - - which, of course, would expose you for someone who thinks being a manipulative liar is cool . . . a good thing . . . a character flaw to be honed . . .

I guess there really is no way for you to walk away from this one looking pretty. Bummer.

 

[blackbeltninja]

^Why are you aiming your crosshairs at Kulindahr? This sentiment - there is no such thing as the gay community, and the rest of it - has been expressed on here dozens of times by other JUBbers, even in this thread.

Ulterior motives, perhaps? I'm intrigued.

-d-

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Try telling that to the like of Rolyo who seem to think the gay community are being hurt by it. How is that even possible when the majority don't even find it offensive?

Maybe they are, I can't speak for the gay community. But I didn't see anyone here explicitly say they were offended, but maybe I missed that.

And some of those who are not ok have done exactly the same thing. Tx-beau found it ironic to refer to me with girly names, because what? I'm gay? That's homophobic. And Rolyo has no qualms being anti masculine, heterophobic, frequently using the term 'breeders' in various threads.

Hypocrisy is astounding here.

I am going to assume that he called you girly names not because he is homophobic, but because you consider yourself straight acting and he knew it would bother you.

1. I never said that.
2. I didn´t think of it as a stereotype, I know not all gays are into cher and cross dressing.

I was trying to make a point and your answer pretty much proved it, if you think about it. You know, being easily offended over such a stupid thing.

We are going to end up not being allowed to say anything, soon we are all offended by every damn word. You don´t like the term? Don´t use it and stay away from those who do. I bet they won´t miss someone who loses it over why should or shouldn´t we use this expression, either.

I am not easily offended. It seems to me the people who were initially offended by anything was the people who refer to themselves as straight acting.

If it you didn't think of it as a stereotype you would have not made the comment, cause apparently people who don't like it are effeminate. Do you make fun of other gay people with your straight buds? I heard that is a good time.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Except that he does as do others of us who make the same observation about "community." On JUB and elsewhere, people use the term population when they mean demographics. When they prefer community as a term over population, they implied a unity, a shared location or cause or perspective.

Numerous posts on JUB continue to reveal that the gay population in fact does not share a location, share a cause, or a perspective. There are enclaves of gays in cities, there are advocates of gay marriage, and there are gay Republicans.

What is manifest is that the diversity that we preach in championing gay rights is the very thing that prevents us from coalescing into a movement or community. We tear ourselves apart in every conceivable topic and issue.

The truth is, there was nothing unified to tear apart.

Kuli is right.

Why do you point this out as if it is any different then the straight population? I'm on plenty of "straight" message boards and plenty of topics explode just as they do here.

I think the biggest problem is that people keep separating themselves from straight people as if they are different from them, when you're not. The only thing "we" don't have in common with straight people is our sexual orientation.

 

[aaggii]

I am not easily offended. It seems to me the people who were initially offended by anything was the people who refer to themselves as straight acting.

If it you didn't think of it as a stereotype you would have not made the comment, cause apparently people who don't like it are effeminate. Do you make fun of other gay people with your straight buds? I heard that is a good time.

Did you actually read the thread? Because you are wrong with who has a problem with what.

So I can´t make a comment because it´s a stereotype? Really? On what planet? Honey (is this offensive?), the only ones who have a problem with the term are the ones who simply don´t get that it´s a way of describing yourself. In other words, ¨if you are not like us, you are against us¨. It was not making fun of something, it was - again - proving a point that you fail to see.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Yes I am sure it was.

 

[aaggii]

Superfluous sarcasm seem to be a trait of the ones who are against the use of this term around here, it seems. Let me ask you a question: isn´t effeminate offensive? Because it´s sure as hell not representing what all feminin women act like. It´s about the most common traits that the majority of these women have. It´s as simple as that when it comes to SA too.

 

[frankfrank]

We've discussed the "straight-acting" thing on another thread about a year ago.

Adding in my $0.73 (after generations of inflation): I have no issue with the term STRAIGHT-ACTING, because ACTING has more than one definition. The definition people have an issue with, here, is that they're defining "ACTING" as role-playing. No, I'm not - ACTING also means how a person (or something else) BEHAVES. ACTING also means performing an action.

"Straight-acting" to me, means that a person conducts himself/herself in ways that an outside observer may easily be led to believe that person is straight. It may have nothing to do with intention, or acting deliberately, at all, but that's simply how that person acts (BEHAVES).

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Superfluous sarcasm seem to be a trait of the ones who are against the use of this term around here, it seems. Let me ask you a question: isn´t effeminate offensive? Because it´s sure as hell not representing what all feminin women act like. It´s about the most common traits that the majority of these women have. It´s as simple as that when it comes to SA too.

I don't associate masculinity and effeminate behavior with being a gender thing or sexual orientation thing. That is the problem.

Again. Not offended.

 

[sixthson]

It's laughable that those most offended by these two words are the same ones who resort to using words of mockery, ridicule and shaming to attempt to win the debate. For those who try to demean another gay man by calling him Louise or Mary, remember this: no matter how hard you try, you are no General Alfie.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Because there is an ongoing assumption and assertion here that we do share more and should, according to those posters. I've never seen straight people assume they were like the rest of straight people in politics, culture, music, art, etc.

Often a JUBBER will claim some singer is "our" singer, some athlete is one of "us." Just as often, gays who are undesirable for whatever reason to some poster will be discredited as not really gay because of whatever criteria that JUBBER has created in his mind for the "community."

That's why.

I am speaking as basic human beings. We all have feelings, ideals, beliefs, opinions and all those other human traits. Those things differ amongst people but these things arent a specific orientation thing.

 

[Callum]

I'm still straight-acting, regardless of opinions in this thread.

 

[aaggii]

I don't associate masculinity and effeminate behavior with being a gender thing or sexual orientation thing. That is the problem.

Again. Not offended.

Then why straight-acting? Is it straight or acting that bothers you?

We've discussed the "straight-acting" thing on another thread about a year ago.

Adding in my $0.73 (after generations of inflation): I have no issue with the term STRAIGHT-ACTING, because ACTING has more than one definition. The definition people have an issue with, here, is that they're defining "ACTING" as role-playing. No, I'm not - ACTING also means how a person (or something else) BEHAVES. ACTING also means performing an action.

"Straight-acting" to me, means that a person conducts himself/herself in ways that an outside observer may easily be led to believe that person is straight. It may have nothing to do with intention, or acting deliberately, at all, but that's simply how that person acts (BEHAVES).

THANK YOU!

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

It is the straight part.

 

[G-Lexington]

Came back from my two-day love fest to see if any progress was made.

Fewer salient points, more accusations of faulty logic, and more out-and-out name-calling.

Motion made to turn this thread to something more interesting.

Lex

 

[borg69unimatrix]

Came back from my two-day love fest to see if any progress was made.

Fewer salient points, more accusations of faulty logic, and more out-and-out name-calling.

Motion made to turn this thread to something more interesting.

Lex

Something like this?

 

[xbuzzerx]

I am going to assume that he called you girly names not because he is homophobic, but because you consider yourself straight acting and he knew it would bother you.

Ah. Therefore it didn't count as "jabs." Got it.

 

[eastofeden]

How many of you have met a lot of gay men who simply "can't relate to other gay men?"...or don't really "like" other gay men? There are a shitload of them out there...and they usually think they are "straight acting"...if they have a few drinks in them it becomes "NORMAL ACTING"...I know of what I speak...and guess what? they are usually the biggest fucking oppressive assholes in the "gay community". They will tell you they are the "nicest guys" though...they just want a "normal guy" to spend their lives with.

Thing is...there are millions of gay men so to use a broad brush to paint millions of individuals who share the same sexuality is...well...sort of "straight acting"....the asshole straight people anyway

...so maybe they have a point after all.....HEY! EUREKA!

 

[G-Lexington]

Something like this?

Who's gonna be interviewing me? This Jennifer person or the guy on the cover? If it's the guy on the cover, can we, um, do "other things" during the interview?

Lex

 

[TX-Beau]

Re: If you ever say you are "straight acting" that is a copout

Are we STILL at it?

(every time you try to kill this bitch...)

Ah. Therefore it didn't count as "jabs." Got it.

Them's not jabs, them's props, anyone who can sustain a knicker twist this epic deserves 'spect from the sisterhood.

(picture the raised fist)

I'm WITH YA SYSTERWOMYN! SOLIDARITY!

I might rename myself Mary and start doing Mitchy Drag.

Why do I call him Mary? Because I forgot about Nancy! HA! Actually it's because he claims to be all brah and shit and has pretty much been having drama queen spectacular for days.

I find the irony juicy and delicious.

Plus we've all pretty much said what was said and are just vomiting up the same crap over and over...

There comes a point in the life of every thread where it becomes theater of the absurd. No one is saying anything new, the fur has flown, the tops have been blown, the panties have been bunched, the cats have fought - and all that's left is to have a good laugh.

- - - Updated - - -

Who's gonna be interviewing me? This Jennifer person or the guy on the cover? If it's the guy on the cover, can we, um, do "other things" during the interview?

Lex

I bet we can get the Space Gypsy to do it.