Is liking twinks pedophilia?

[Kahaih]

Since people "mature" at different age.
Should the court system be smart enough to consider these age range factors rather than draw a line either over 18 or under 18 ??

The legal age should be an age range say between 15 and 21 ???
Some people still not mature enough and dumb when they are 20.

They sort of already do/are.

Read a little about how 'statutory rape' laws work.

Most often, someone has to be the 'whistle blower' – someone has to press charges.

Some families are able to recognize a more mature young/teenage love/relationship, and let it be.

 

[Kulindahr]

You cannot call your average adult innocent when they're the ones with greater sexual knowledge and experience in such situations. And they've got it, if only through time. And I'd be indescribably hard-pressed to call 'em innocent if they're having sex with a 14 yr old.

If the studies are to be believed, the typical U.S. teenager has vastly more sexual experience than I do.

 

[Kulindahr]

There is no such thing as an innocent adult who lets a 14 year old do anything to them. Which is not to say the the 14 year old is innocent either.

But the role of the adult in every case is to be the adult and to draw the line.

Obviously, this didn't happen in your experience and you apparently enjoyed it....but it simply doesn't change the fact that laws about legal age for sex can't be based on allowances for exceptions. Many children are groomed and set up to be victimized...even to the point of making sure that it is the child who will be making the first moves....but it usually involves some pretty predatory mind games and intent to exploit.

Not so. I knew a guy in Oregon who is now a registered sex offender:

He was at a party where ID was being checked by off-duty cops, so he had every expectation everyone there was of legal age.
Then his drink got spiked -- it was not his choice to become inebriated.
Then two girls slipped him something in another drink. When he passed out and got carried to a bedroom, they went along. With him unconscious, they took his pants off and 'enjoyed themselves' with him.

According to Oregon law -- and a lot of other sex offender laws -- he's the guilty one. False ID is specifically excluded as a defense, coercion is specifically excluded as a defense, ignorance of actual age is specifically excluded as a defense, whether a person was competent at the time to choose is excluded as well. So he was screwed twice -- by two 14-y.o. girls and by the law.

 

[luckynumbah7]

If the studies are to be believed, the typical U.S. teenager has vastly more sexual experience than I do.

There's a difference between experimenting, actual technical knowledge and the various and multiple ways one needs to be emotionally mature enough to handle things in at least a semi-responsible manner.

These days, they might have the quantity, but I suspect the quality is as it ever was.

 

[Kulindahr]

Each country set the age of consent, under that age is paedophilia. While no one even if legal should force themselves on another!

No, Telly has it right: pedophilia is attraction to the prepubescent.

That's why I'm revolted by anyone shaving "down there": they look pre-pubescent, and the very idea is disgusting. AFAIC, anyone who shaves down there is disgusting because of that very result.

 

[Telstra]

They sort of already do/are.

Read a little about how 'statutory rape' laws work.

Most often, someone has to be the 'whistle blower' – someone has to press charges.

Some families are able to recognize a more mature young/teenage love/relationship, and let it be.

But on the news,
the media always draw a line between over 18 or under 18.

 

[Cumslut91]

I love twink porn. It gets me so hot. I cum immediately.

 

[Kulindahr]

Because the age of consent might not be 17 were the website is based.

Or where it is visible. Since the internet crosses state lines, if that image is available where the age is over 17, its availability becomes a federal crime.

 

[luckynumbah7]

No, Telly has it right: pedophilia is attraction to the prepubescent.

That's why I'm revolted by anyone shaving "down there": they look pre-pubescent, and the very idea is disgusting. AFAIC, anyone who shaves down there is disgusting because of that very result.

I dunno how many diapers you've changed in your lifetime but adult genitalia rarely has a childlike appearance, whether it's shaved or not.

 

[Telstra]

I've talked to people who started their sexual careers very early.

In fact the best friend I taught to jerk off then went on to discover girls and have a baby when he was 15 and she was 14 and then divorced by 18 and frankly he was all fucked out when last I spoke to him. By the age of 18, he was looking for more and more interesting and extreme shit...when you think that you likely have 20 or 30 years of great sex ahead of you after you reach the age of 18...what the fuck is the rush?

I don't think that I really sacrificed anything by being the ripe old age of 20 before I had a totally mature, mind-blowing full on fuck...with an older guy ( by about 20 years) I would point out. God knows I was ready for it when it did finally happen...but honestly, in retrospect, the thought of having the previous 6 years of my life revolve around all the dramatics and theatrics of sex makes me so glad that there was a kind of line drawn.

Looking back, everything before the point of the big bang would have only been about orgasm and hyper-angst and confusing crushes and cumming with love and emotional fulfilment.

So for everyone who is lusting after that 15 year old...just stop it. Leave them sexually frustrated or completely innocent or whatever. Every kid has his own hand to keep him company. They don't need you.

No matter what their disturbed sexually precocious minds might believe.

That is an interesting case study.
Experts should study more about these people to see how they going in life, what are they into, to the ripe old age or not so old age.

About the age range, i'm talking about all sorts of crime.
There should not be a line between over 18 crime or under 18 crime.

 

[Kulindahr]

I did look it up and don't think "psychiatric disorder" is the correct word.
I watched this whole video.

Many thanks for posting that! It helps my rational side deal with this subject.

But yes, "psychiatric disorder" is correct, because psychiatry includes what are called organic disorders, i.e. physical things actually different about the brain from what is to be expected (regardless of evolutionary or religious standpoint).

 

[Kulindahr]

There is no conflation between homosexuality and paedophilia. One includes emotionally complete relationships between consenting adults. One does not.

The use of pre-pubescent children who have no emotional or intellectual capacity for agreeing to consensual sexual acts is rape pure and simple. It is not about the sex. It is about the power dynamic in the act.

And frankly, until you have the title of Doctor attached to your name with a specialization in psychiatry and/or psychology, you only sound like an apologist for child abusers.

But on the biological level apparently there is: neither group chooses their condition.

 

[Kulindahr]

No, it wasn't. Medical or psychological, perhaps, but never psychiatric.

It was in the DSM, so it was considered psychiatric.

And before you say anything, there is an enormous difference between psychiatric and psychological.

Heavens, yes!

 

[Kulindahr]

I only skimmed this thread, but has anyone even defined what a twink is here? Yes, I know people have varying definitions of what a twink is, but unless there's something defined, you guys might not even be talking about the same thing.

Sometimes, we seem to be equated to this "barely legal" shit, but that's not what we're about.

I feel like saying liking twinks = pedophilia is almost as offensive as saying homosexuality --> beastiality.

That's just me. I'm a twink, though.

I would have counted as a twink until I was thirty.

 

[Kulindahr]

No it is not, though there is something disconcerting when you witness a man in his late 50's drooling over an 18yr old.

I've found myself sucking in breath at some that young, and thinking, "Wow, when he grows up..."

 

[Kulindahr]

A line which has been blurred.

A line which seems to me, frighteningly, many Western legal process have allowed to be blurred.

"Allowed"?

From watching the laws that have been passed, I'd say it's deliberate: it's always useful to politicians to have a group to persecute, and sex offenders are a great target -- even the rest of the criminal population loves to hate them, despite the fact that studies have shown that a bit short of 1/3 of all males in prison are sex offenders; they just didn't get caught.

 

[Kulindahr]

Since people "mature" at different age.
Should the court system be smart enough to consider these age range factors rather than draw a line either over 18 or under 18 ??

The legal age should be an age range say between 15 and 21 ???
Some people still not mature enough and dumb when they are 20.

In a rational society, yes, the courts should make such a distinction. But so long as our educational systems don't actually teach rational thought and so long as the political class are in love with low-information voters they can sway easily, and so long as political ads are not subject to truth-in-advertising laws, we're far from being a rational society.

 

[Kulindahr]

^ No.

Society cannot afford the individualist approach to this.

It would have no meaning whatsoever. It would only make for rich lawyers as they set about to prove/disprove the maturity of a person in order to assign culpability.

Sometimes society just needs to draw a line and damn the exceptions.

Because otherwise, everything is an exception.

The law doesn't have to be drawn by age, though; it could be drawn by education, say a series of substantive courses and exams including psychological which establish whether an individual is capable of making informed decisions. In a long story I wrote (and lost most of due to a computer drive crash before I finished), any individual capable of physically reproducing was permitted to take such courses and obtain a card certifying their status. Such a system could work... in a rational society.

 

[Kulindahr]

I love twink porn. It gets me so hot. I cum immediately.

Most twink porn these days is wasted electrons -- very few of the "models" are fit enough to be attractive.

 

[peeonme]

But on the biological level apparently there is: neither group chooses their condition.

I am going to stick my neck out, but here goes:
Being a pedophile in and of it's self is not "wrong" inasmuch as it's not a choice, what is absolutely wrong is to act on the urges and desires of pedophilia.
It (pedophilia) is a wrong desire, but a person having a wrong desire and not acting upon it is being proper by constraining their urges.
I would say that one who avoids children or being alone with children because they know that they are attracted to them is being a
very responsible person.