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Jean Grey- The Phoenix

Weapon Plus is the program name for the super-soldier series. Cluster 6 is Twelve, Fantomex is Thirteen, and Ultimaton is Fifteen. Fourteen was never shown.

The first time Fantomex attacked Xorneto in the Planet X arc, Xorneto identified him by his codename (which most of the New X-Men team knew), but Esme on the other hand, identified him by his Weapon number, which she had no way of knowing since a) she never met/seen him before on panel and neither did she have reason to, b) his helmet is thought-proof, AND c) because he never introduced himself by his Weapon number, ever. So how did she know that he was Weapon XIII?

Next, and most blatant, in "Here Comes Tomorrow", 150 years into the future, the only X-Men left are Logan, Beak Jr., Skylark, E.V.A., Cassandra, No-Girl, and the Three-in-One. It was insinuated in the first issue (I don't have it, but I read it somewhere...) that the three ladies were still alive thanks to a regenerative property that prevented aging (different from Logan's or Fantomex's since theirs prevented them from dying).

By then, the Stepfords have made Cerebra their home, and it's shown somewhere in the back, the title: Weapon XIV, Unitls 1,3, and 5. Arranged alphabetically, Esme and Sophie were 2 and 4, which were the missing numbers.

When the Dark Beast sent a parasite to infect the telepaths on the last ish (this I have), the Cuckoos, who were the last ones standing, opted to self-destruct Cerebra and themselves rather than get eaten by the other infected telepaths. When the system counted down, not only did the machinery announce that Cerebra was shutting down, but that the consciousness of Weapon XIV units 1,3 and 5 were going to disappear as well.

Marvel though, has not confirmed their identity as being that of Weapon XIV - - but one small and very unlikely tie is that the Weapon Plus creator mentioned having a mole in the institute (what better way than to pose as a student?).
 
I don't know why but I don't like the whole scott/emma thing.He picks bad rebound freaks. Madeline Pryor and Emma are a bit messed up in the head. Now don't jump on me Emma fans! Just miss seeing him with Jean.(i know she's dead) Who do you guys think would be good for him?he needs someone who has a caring and honest heart like jean did. (*8*)
 
I think we need to see more of Rachel's hostility to her non-father. And yes, Luminum, the Cuckoos (three of them) are in X-Men Legends II as NPCs. Actually, there is a line where Storm (or maybe just your selected dominant X-Man) says "Emma's trained them a bit too well."
 
bluedragon4 said:
I don't know why but I don't like the whole scott/emma thing.He picks bad rebound freaks. Madeline Pryor and Emma are a bit messed up in the head. Now don't jump on me Emma fans! Just miss seeing him with Jean.(i know she's dead) Who do you guys think would be good for him?he needs someone who has a caring and honest heart like jean did. (*8*)
I disagree. While Jean and Scott seem ideal, they're only as ideal as a repressed 50's couple. Jean is representative of the housewife who wants more/is more, but represses herself and Scott represents the hudband with a darker side who smiles to run the household, never giving into his weaker side because he's afraid to be weak in frotn of others. Their relationship seems bperfect ebcause they're expected to be perfect, but Jean's darker/wild side and powers go misunderstood by Scott, and Scott's needs and fears go untouched/unexplored because of Jean and how her personality and her powers probably intimidate him.

That's why Logan is a better match in some ways in the 616 for Jean. He understands her uncontrollable side and can offer her that fulfillment. Emma is understanding of Scott and understands that people are not heroes and cannot always be heroes. She's also fascinated enough with Scott to really scrutinize him and try to find out everything about him. She lets him relax and be who he is and wants to be instead of who he feels everyone is expecting him to be.

The whole scope of Jean's existence leaves Scott in the shadows, always trying to be strong for her, when he knows he's no match to Jean's glory. Logan has that glory because he is incredibly self-realized and very powerful, too. He can exist alone, without Jean, and be a strong enough flame to shine in her phoenix rapture and won't be afraid to stand up to her with his black-and-white opinions and brashness. The Phoenix's cold attitude doesn't phase him. Scott's issues with morality are pithy to the Phoenix's ultimate judgement. Scott struggles just to remain relevant to Phoenix, since Jean is more Phoenix than the Marvel Girl who cared/valued/depended on him back then.

Emma allows Scott to exist within a relationship that he can handle, while she is still far complex enough to keep him running. She knows the darker, less impressive parts that are inherent in everyone and isn't afraid of them and embraces them as human. That allows Scott to breathe, plus his moral uprightness cotnrasts to her own mentality and will balance Emma out. He can also be the hero she needs, having been an independent woman for so long.

Wow. :)
 
It all happens in one mini-series (Phoenix Endsong).

The quick hash is this:

Jean Grey is dead, the Pheonix force wants to return. It zips through as a little glowing orb of fire posessing a dragonfly and passes several characters searching for an appropriate host. Logan no. Beat, no. The Stepford Cuckoos (a set of teenage triplets (used to be five, but two died) who are students at the school and have their own psychic powers, but can combine them into one mind in three and become even more powerful), no. Quentin Quire, no. It finally finds who it wants at Jean's grave and ressurects Jean too early and Jean refuses, but is forced back to life.

After Jean conquers the malevolent Phoenix and goes back into the white hot room (creation), a little orange glowing blob flies and one of the Cuckoos wakes up and with the phoenix fire in her eyes, says "Yes, I thought you'd never ask."

That's the big cliff hanger.
 
luminum said:
After Jean conquers the malevolent Phoenix and goes back into the white hot room (creation), a little orange glowing blob flies and one of the Cuckoos wakes up and with the phoenix fire in her eyes, says "Yes, I thought you'd never ask."

That's the big cliff hanger.

Really?I thought she said 'What took you so long?'
 
You may be right. I forget. The mood of the line is the same though. :P
 
Effortless_Pro said:
Got a question for you X-Fans,
I've wanted to pick up Endsong for a while now, I know there were comics, but chapters (it would seem) as it all in one book, I'd consider it a graphic novel, they even have hard cover *pops a boner*

So is it in fact all four parts meshed into the one book?
if someone could tell me (because there's no review)
If so I'd like to go pick it up sometime soon.


Yep its the complete saga in the book
i have the hardback :D
 
Be prepared for the comign sequal, that deals with the Phoenix Force (but no Jean) and possibly one of the Cuckoos titled Phoenix WarSong.
 
You know, I'm sure we can.

Here:

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I think this is the correct order.
 
I think it's a dream sequence, really. We've alread seen that Emma can't hold the Phoenix for long without becoming Dark Phoenix (and right int hese panels, she's just Pheonix) and even then she's not a stable enough host. I think if it's 'real' then it's a temporary relapse probably because the Phoenix is close by with one of the Cuckoos. But that's my guess.

Either way, this is definitely taking place before the June issue of Astonishing. That much is clear since Scott's not a vegetable.
 
I'm hoping that this gives us a definitive answer as to whether or not Emma truly is telekinetic. She has shown TK before, and it's weird that she simply forget how to use it.
 
I would hope she is, but it seems unlikely. The case with Jean's consciousness was probably back when they didn't differentiate about mutant powers being genetic and just associated it with their consciousnesses (see Psylocke and Kwannon). Thetiem when she levitates objects in her sleep was probably a writing mistake, though uncannyxmen.net tries to explain it off as possible residue of Jean's consciousness in Emma's body.

It would be nice, but Emma has always been more calculated and less of a 'power' type. Giving her telekinetic potential just makes her another Jean :(

I'd like to see Phoenix Diamond form and see what Phoenix's powers do with that power...artificial or not.
 
I agree. TK just doesn't look good on good'ol EF. Besides, giving scantily clad women a power-boost is the nigh-exclusive province of that dirty old man Claremont. That and giving them hot and heavy lesbian undertones. Christ, seeing Cassandra Nova in a freaking bikini at X:Men the End is just fucking horrific.

Anyway, in the first fight between Jean and the White Queen, instead of Emma giving into Jean, she released a suicidal psi-blast that managed to cause the top of an entire building to explode. Which is odd considering psi-blasts are incapable of such, and writer Chris Claremont in those days already did have a hand in seperating TP from TK.

At any rate, my vote is that she remains the same. And that she doesn't get to use TP in diamond form (the scene in Astonishing X-Men was written off as an artistic error).
 
Well, back in that time, Emma's psi-blasts were real enough that they could be side-stepped or dodged.

They've taken some twists with her psychic powers though, one example being her psychometry in the story where they discover Xorn and she 'reads' the key. That's a different form of psychic power that I don't believe Emma is supposed to have (since Adrienne had that power).

I prefer that her diamond form give her some related psi ability. I'm actually verymuch inf avor of Emma having some kind of psi-defense or shielding in her diamond form exhibited at times in New X-Men. ("Emma, shift to diamond form! Total psychic shut down!", "Mind...shiny...reflective like prism...")

There have been other instances where Emma has exhibited psychic powers while in diamond form. The first is actually when she first manifests the diamond form. She's been diamond since she was recovered from the wreckage in Genosha and Hank is testing her and she tells Jean that she's psychically called a cab and she never shifted out of her diamond form. She also shows that she can detect psi waves in a way that seems uncommon from non-psichics detecting thought waves when she and Hank are lost at sea and she's ben in her diamond form for days and Jean arrives with her TK ship. Emma states that she sense thought patterns coming that are very familiar and knows it's Jean.

However, her statements in that same issue as the exhbition of her psychometry states ouright that she has no psychic powers in diamond form and her assault by Martha while confronting Sublime and the U-Men demonstrates that she's been effected by psychic attack.

I just wish they'd nail it down for once and give Emma soemthing clear...and try to mend these other instances. The loose ends of my favorite character are really driving me nuts.
 
From what I can tell, Emma has her psychic powers in her diamond form. She has various instances showing this. However to my knowledge she only has ONE case where she has no psychic powers when she is in her psychic powers. HOWEVER that was said by the villain and not by Emma by herself, which makes it hyperbole in my mind.
 
There are two isntances of Emma's lack of psychic powers int he comics. The first is when she reads the key and the emotions in it are too much. She shifts to diamond form stating that in diamond form she has no psychic abilites (as well as no empathy etc. etc.). The other instance is that she gets punched in the nose by a U-Man, shifts to diamond form and becomes subdued with Scott by Martha the mutant brain. Since her diamond form feels no pain, it's difficult to understand how else she could have been taken in by the U-Men and laid out on a cutting table. As they're about to be dissected on, a U-Man states that "Martha the Mutant Brain is holding them down." Emma melts out of her diamond form and tells Martha to get out of her head and takes things from there.
 
The Conclusion: Writers just didn't read Morisson's New X-Men word per word.
 
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