Mass shooting at Pulse Nightclub in Orlando Florida: Political Discussion [SPLIT]

[Kulindahr]

He consistently presents the latter as unequivocal fact completely closed to discussion, debate, or variance in interpretation. Thus he doesn't need to "give an opinion" because he's already arranged the goalposts and the rules of the discussion in such a way that there is only one conclusion, which just so happens to be the one he agrees with.

It's just a tactic, nothing more. And not a particularly clever one.

Fill pages of the rest of the discussion with calling us liars, cowards and everything else for refusing to accept his premise.

I merely pass on what the Founding Fathers and the Framers said they meant, and what the militia concept was about.

And no, I point out that you are lying because you read words right in front of you and then claim I said something else.

Finally, you don't know whether I agree with it or not, in the sense that I think that's how the system ought to operate.

 

[Kulindahr]

I am not surprised that Kulindahr would choose to make the biggest mass shooting in America, and a hate crime that was a total violation of the LGBT community about the sanctity of guns rather than the sanctity of lives. But I AM deeply repulsed by this utter soullessness.

This is about the sanctity of life, and the right of every individual to protect his or her own life as he or she sees fit. To deny that is what spits on the sanctity of life, because it tells the individual "Your life isn't worth enough for us to allow you to defend it effectively". Gun-free zones deny that life has any sanctity at all, because they announce to would-be killers the location of lots of easy targets.

How anyone can think that requiring people to be defenseless against killers is moral in any fashion at all is astounding.

 

[luckynumbah7]

http://www.armedwithreason.com/less-guns-less-crime-debunking-the-self-defense-myth/

 

[luckynumbah7]

The joke is pretending that they couldn't have imagined that technology would keep improving.

They did! That's why they kept the bayonets at the expense of shooting accuracy. Their imagination sucked with the less than accurate direction they chose.

And I'll say this as well. I've heard your shoddy arguments before. Grew up with them. My father's a vet with ptsd and mental health issues. Once he's in his cups he adds to your argument - about all those Bad People he'd like to protect 'us' from - all those uppity minority groups he think it'd be great to shoot because "They're the Bad Guys."

You might as well pull the other one - you've pulled everything else.

 

[ludolfo]

this is VERY interesting!

 

[Telstra]

this is VERY interesting!

These conspiracy theories really annoys me.
The survivors already said the gun man shot everyone in the club.

Now i have reported the video as "Misleading information"
They have a list of reasons for reporting it.

 

[Kabluey]

I merely pass on what the Founding Fathers and the Framers said they meant, and what the militia concept was about.

And no, I point out that you are lying because you read words right in front of you and then claim I said something else.

Finally, you don't know whether I agree with it or not, in the sense that I think that's how the system ought to operate.

Yes, we know what you're saying, you like the law as it is, and you don't want it changed.
Because you want your guns.
We just think that your position is both ridiculous, and dangerous.

 

[Kulindahr]

http://www.armedwithreason.com/less-guns-less-crime-debunking-the-self-defense-myth/

They rely on the Violence Policy Center, which is expert as picking the data to support their conclusions. That they think the rate of justifiable homicides to criminal homicides is even relevant shows they are being deliberately deceptive.

 

[Kulindahr]

They did! That's why they kept the bayonets at the expense of shooting accuracy. Their imagination sucked with the less than accurate direction they chose.

Bayonets don't affect shooting accuracy. Shaft bayonets were common because it took so long to reload that an enemy charge could reach one's lines; ring bayonets were already introduced so a soldier could fire while still being ready to meet a charge.

 

[Kulindahr]

this is VERY interesting!

That's a very good point about the sound level. The rifle the killer reportedly used would have left ears ringing painfully at the minimum.

And if Napolitano is right, then the deaths were caused by the SWAT team.

The comments about the attitude toward evidence doesn't surprise me; investigations are more about winning than about truth these days.


I could have done without the "New World Order" stuff; they just just stick to real info.


BTW, I suffer from PTSD, and I find the comments that these people show no signs extremely ignorant. There's often what's called a "flight to sanity" after traumatic events, where the brain refuses to acknowledge the stress of the event, so the person presents emotionally as though nothing had happened and can actually discuss the events without any evidence of the emotional impact. This can go on for weeks before the impact of the event/trauma breaks through the brain's defense mechanism and the horror hits fully. So these people appearing very calm and cheerful may actually be a sign of PTSD, not a sign of its absence.

 

[Kulindahr]

Yes, we know what you're saying, you like the law as it is, and you don't want it changed.
Because you want your guns.
We just think that your position is both ridiculous, and dangerous.

You're making shit up again -- you don't know what I like.

In fact, if you've actually read my thread about Article I Section 8 clause 16, you know you're making a false statement about me.

 

[mikey3000]

And this too is very interesting...

Seddique Mateen, the father of terrorist Omar Mateen, who was responsible for the largest mass shooting in U.S. history, was yesterday front and centre of a Hillary Clinton rally in Kissimmee, Fla. No joke! while Hillary went on about how she stands united with Orlando, Mateen was almost in the front row. When questioned as to why he was there, he was like, "Wha, it's a public event and I want to show my support for Clinton." Showed absolutely no shame at all.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...y-clinton-rally-kissimmee-20160809-story.html

And it's shocking how this occurrence is NOT being reported by main stream media in the U.S. Man, this shit keeps getting weirder and weirder.

 

[rareboy]

It wasn't like he was an honoured guest.

As much as we'd all like the parents of killers to fall on their swords because they failed their mentally ill or radicalized children.....it rarely happens.

 

[mikey3000]

-They still haven't found his wife either. The FBI just happened to loose her?
-No Orlando 911 calls have been released to the press, yet most other mass shootings do so almost immediately.
-Don't even hear a peep about this shooting anymore? The largest mass shooting in U.S. history?
-fake doctors Lube and Cheetham, didn't even exist before the shooting.

Everything is so bizarre.

 

[johaninsc]

....-fake doctors Lube and Cheetham, didn't even exist before the shooting.

Everything is so bizarre.

just because those two doctors haven't given any interviews or 'talks' or received any reviews doesn't mean that they don't exist

I just searched two doctors that I've known and worked with at the same hospital for 12 and 19 years...neither of them have given any interviews or 'talks'...and no reviews on the net for either of them

 

[rareboy]

-They still haven't found his wife either. The FBI just happened to loose her?
-No Orlando 911 calls have been released to the press, yet most other mass shootings do so almost immediately.
-Don't even hear a peep about this shooting anymore? The largest mass shooting in U.S. history?
-fake doctors Lube and Cheetham, didn't even exist before the shooting.

Everything is so bizarre.

I imagine that the conspiracy sites that you haunt are just abuzz with all of this.

The reason you don't hear about this shooting any more is the reason you don't hear about any of them any more.

Americans have very short attention spans. They don't like to focus on mass murders because it underscores the powerlessness of the majority of people in the face of the gun nuts and could threaten the second amendment. A mess murder in the US now has a hot cycle of about 10 to 14 days in the news and then it disappears because someone, somewhere, has done something that the media need to feed on.

With all lawmakers on holidays...the chance of anything being done was nil. And with the elections this November, the chance was less than nil. Politicians aren't going to dwell on this because it would mean action they can't deliver.

 

[KaraBulut]

Meanwhile, back on the subject of the ongoing investigation:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article94074737.html

The city of Orlando released the first batch of autopsies for the victims of the Pulse nightclub shooting, which show that victims were shot multiple times but left some of the most haunting questions about the massacre unanswered.

The reports — on 31 of the 49 victims and gunman Omar Mateen — didn’t clarify whether any of the Pulse club-goers were hit by friendly fire from police. And though Mateen’s autopsy showed he was hit by eight bullets, it couldn’t pinpoint whether all the wounds were inflicted in the firefight that ended the three-hour ordeal or if he might have been wounded earlier as he exchanged shots with police....

The 31 victim autopsies show that bullets were flying fast and furious that night: 129 gunshot wounds were tallied, from almost every conceivable angle. Most of the bodies had multiple wounds — one man was shot 13 times — usually from medium range...

The office said all 50 autopsies should be released by 5 p.m. Wednesday.

 

[nsguy2]

On the subject of rally attendees, I see Mark Foley was cheering Trump on last night in the background noise.

Now either Trump can't keep his events secure or he invited Foley. I wonder which it is?

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Meanwhile, back on the subject of the ongoing investigation:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article94074737.html

This is just even more upsetting.

 

[TX-Beau]

On the subject of rally attendees, I see Mark Foley was cheering Trump on last night in the background noise.

Now either Trump can't keep his events secure or he invited Foley. I wonder which it is?

Herr Trumpenfuhrer needs all the support he can get - even if it's going to fondle 16 year old boys, which let's face it, has never been a real crime in the GOP, so long as it happens off camera.

...Democrats and their women - Republicans and their men...