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Obama admits that he is a Muslim.

Please tell you are not talking about that Zietgiest crap. Just so you know its not that things were not written down in his day, its that none survive from then. You are not entitled to your own facts.

The evidence is that lists of Jesus' sayings -- sort of like "Top Most Awesome Things He Said", or "What Jesus Told Our Town", to put it in our terms -- were being circulated in written form by the time Paul wrote his first epistle, and being collected. Though by "not written down" I presumed he meant the Gospels, writings recognizably biographical (in the terms of that day) in nature; the earliest anyone I know of puts one of the Gospels is 48 A.D., and it takes a lot of effort to maintain that position, though a good case can be made for on or two of the Gospels (Matthew and Mark) being complete by 60 A.D.
 
Think not? Explain Tut.

Well, if you're royalty in an empire where people regard you as a god, and significant portions of the national budget go to building facilities to enable you to transfer to the afterlife with a semblance of glory... yeah, that would give you a chance at being remembered two millennia from now.

Anyone here qualify?
 
No he only backed off after being threatened with jail time under pressure by the Church. The Catholic Church would love you. I suggest you read the books. Anyone descended from Charlemagne is descended from Jesus which is millions of people. The Church does not want that to get out.

The Church doesn't care in the least if such nonsense gets out. It's good comedy for sensible people, and keeps the gullible busy.
 
What in holy hell are you going on about? Why would I want to read books written in the 1980s about Jesus? Especially one that posits that Mary Magdelene cooter was the holy grail? It's simple really. If the bible is to be believed why did it take 150 years for someone to get around to writing about Jesus? I'm sure their memories of a man they never met were really accurate weren't they? The tropes of the Trinity and virgin birth, Eden, the flood, and all sorts of nonsense in the bible was written in books and lore before the bible was written. The Epic of Gilgamesh being just one book written 2,000 years before "christ" showed up.

There is very little in common between the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Bible, and none of it has anything to do with Jesus.

I just read it again (in translation), and I was paying attention. Interestingly, the main thing in common is a tale about a great Flood and people escaping it in a ship -- and according to Gilgamesh, there never was such a thing!
 
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I used to be part of that right-wing reactionary theocratic movement, and it's nothing but that: theocratic. Their version of democracy would only allow Christians to vote -- and like the ancient Inquisition, they would decide who is Christian enough.
If you want to know a shitload about the religious right, this is the guy to read/listen to. His name is Frank Schaeffer and he's the author of Crazy for God: How I Grew Up as One of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right, and Lived to Take All (or Almost All) of It Back

His website: http://www.frankschaeffer.com/media.html
 
Well, if you're royalty in an empire where people regard you as a god, and significant portions of the national budget go to building facilities to enable you to transfer to the afterlife with a semblance of glory... yeah, that would give you a chance at being remembered two millennia from now.

Anyone here qualify?
Probably not. But granite headstones would last that long.
 
If you want to know a shitload about the religious right, this is the guy to read/listen to. His name is Frank Schaeffer and he's the author of Crazy for God: How I Grew Up as One of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right, and Lived to Take All (or Almost All) of It Back

His website: http://www.frankschaeffer.com/media.html

Read that; it eerily echoed the crap I went through -- I just have to be glad neither of my parents were like his dad.
 
Well, if you're royalty in an empire where people regard you as a god, and significant portions of the national budget go to building facilities to enable you to transfer to the afterlife with a semblance of glory... yeah, that would give you a chance at being remembered two millennia from now.

Anyone here qualify?

You don't have to royalty or a god to be remembered :hurray: Develope a vaccine (Salk), invent a illumination device (Edison), design & build a significant building (Wright's Falling Water or Gugeiheim Museum), build a machine to break an unbreakable code (Turing), walk on the Moon (Armstrong) or be a bumbling idiot (Trump or Groucho or Red Skelton :rotflmao: )
 
You don't have to royalty or a god to be remembered :hurray: Develope a vaccine (Salk), invent a illumination device (Edison), design & build a significant building (Wright's Falling Water or Gugeiheim Museum), build a machine to break an unbreakable code (Turing), walk on the Moon (Armstrong) or be a bumbling idiot (Trump or Groucho or Red Skelton :rotflmao: )

Edison didn't invent anything. What do they teach in schools? He funded inventers and took credit for their work. He was no Tesla or Steinmetz
 
OK so I don't know what they fuck you're talking about. But how do you KNOW Charlemagne is a descendant of Christ? Do you have DNA? How do you even know who Christ was? How do you know he was Divine?

He doesn't. And if he's based his belief system on those books, he's got himself 100% dead wrong, because in them Charlemagne wasn't a descendant of Christ, but one of the villains of of the piece, a usurper whose family with the connivance of the Catholic Church and the Papacy forswore their allegiance to Christ and his descendants and supplanted him/them.

As the story goes, Christ survived the crucifixion and/or was married with children. At some time subsequent to the faked death on the cross, either Christ himself and/or his descendants carting along his corpse wandered themselves north of the Alps and east of the Rhine and there, as Jews, established themselves as Kings of one of the tribes of Franks, a Germanic people who later invaded and settled in that part of the Roman Empire which is now France, where they established themselves as kings.

The genealogy of this royal family is complex and convoluted ... not to mention confusing. At one point, we have a woman, the foremother of the race who had a single son from whom all further were to descend. This woman, from such records as there are, appears to have been simultaneously married to two different men. As if bigamy wasn't enough complication for the poor woman to handle, one morning while she was frolicking on the beach, a sea-monster rose up from out of the deep -- an obese, hulking, horned creature -- and raped her ... one of those I am the walrus goo goo g'joob vicissitudes to which ancient familes sometimes were prone. Thereafter, no-one was entirely sure to whom to ascribe the paternity of her son, whether to one or the other of her husbands or to [STRIKE]Paul[/STRIKE] [STRIKE]the walrus[/STRIKE] the creature from the black lagoon.

Skipping ahead, if madness hasn't already taken its toll, a vast conspiracy has taken place over the ages to suppress knowledge of these descendants of Jesus. Amongst those involved in one way or another, on one side or another, are the Roman Catholic Church, all Popes since around the year 800 or so, Leonardo da Vinci, the Knights Templar, Nicolas Poussin, Nicolas Fouquet, the Man in the Iron Mask, Napoleon Bonaparte, Heinrich Himmler ... and on and on it goes.

The whole thing is a crock. It's a hoax perpetrated in the 1950s/1960s by a self-admitted fraud and shyster to prove that he was the future king foretold by Nostradamus. He forged a bunch of documents purporting to link up a number of historical strings, and then smuggled them into a library archive and planted them there. Then he spent some time pointing others in their direction, amongst them a writer -- by turns an ultra-Catholic, Trotskyist, surrealist, friend to Tito, and so on and so forth, until he decided to give all that up and become a farmer. Then he decided he would become a writer on fringe subjects. His own son freely admits that all the so-called documents are forgeries, and that all of his books are (I quote) "absolute piffle".

These productions were later found by a group of Brits, who used them to produce a series of books ... from which our friend Voltron, taking them as gospel truth, has derived his belief system. Dan Brown was later to use them as "sources" upon which to base his book.

The whole thing is a hoax, based on forgery and fraud.
 
It is a much older fraud than that.

The English and other royals had genealogical charts prepared that would take them back to Adam and then co-incidentally, give them kinship with the House of David and with the son of God in order to prop up their roguish claims to Divine Rights. For fun, I include it in our own family tree since I am one of just about everyone who is descended from the Plantaganets. But I always remind people that even if they believe their Judeo-christian good book that there are grievous holes in chronology and begats that make the whole thing nonsense.

It is like the mythic king Sceaf of Shef who some believe is the basis for King Arthur who apparently just washed up on shore as a child in a boat and then was raised to be King. But this magical King becomes the founder of an entire royal dynasty that even throws in Odin for good measure.

Ad the water myths and 'royalty' go all the way back to the Egyptians and Jews. vis Moses for instance.

And lets not forget those who want to believe that Joseph of Arimathea lugged Jesus off to the sceptred isle....you'd think that if Jesus was going to beget progeny, he might have left behind some in England.

Too bad that we know that the shroud of Turin and all the Holy relics of Christ are frauds as well or we might be able to test for DNA.
 
The Founding Fathers wrote and put up every roadblock they could to established religion; it was what separated the United States from England in the first place. As for being very religious, I'd say white males did pretty good under "religion" but I wouldn't mention it to blacks, Native Americans, Chinese, Irish, German, Japanese, or any other immigrant community. Our fears of religion were highlighted in the fact that John F. Kennedy had to explicitly say he would follow the constitution and not the pope. The right seem to have forgotten all of that and are really no different than the Sharia Law they rally against with their hooded sheets.

That settles it.
 
According to this site Thomas Edison was an inventor with a track record that can be appreciated.
Some people have said that, in effect, TAE was the Donald Trump of inventing...that he really didn't invent much at all, but that he came up with money and financing to take over the inventions of others, and take full credit for them. I know I've seen this more than once, but I can't remember where.
 
Let's see. I've heard that Obama...

Is a time traveler. Somewhere online there's photographic proof of him on a beach with his homosexual lover (I lost the link).
Is secretly from Mars.
Born in Kenya.
Is secretly gay.
Michele is a transsexual.

That's the short list.
 
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