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Post Presidential opinions regarding LGBT rights in the future

Three examples:



Tennessee preacher-cop calls for execution of LGBTQ people [CNN]
There’s no way that second pastor isn’t meeting guys at the truck stop. Just look at him.
 
My greater worry is that he is out there assaulting children because all these pastors seem to be.
 
Has anyone found that part of the bible quoted by Mr Awes, where it advises shooting people in the back of the head.
I dont think any edition ever said that, esp. when guns had not yet even been invented then.
The pastor is telling lies and he will end up in hell.
 
Has anyone found that part of the bible quoted by Mr Awes, where it advises shooting people in the back of the head.
I dont think any edition ever said that, esp. when guns had not yet even been invented then.
The pastor is telling lies and he will end up in hell.

Don't know about that verse, but there is this verse: John 16:2 "...the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God."
 
Let's look at the full story here:

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Stedfast Baptist Church, which was evicted from its Hurst building in February over sermons about violence against LGBTQ people, is being forced to move again, its pastor says...

In May, Shelley spoke to the Arlington City Council and said that gay people deserved to be killed. He advocated for enforcing an old Texas law outlawing “sodomy” that has since been ruled unconstitutional. Residents in Watauga have said they want Stedfast out of their community because it promotes hate-filled, violent rhetoric that causes them to be concerned about their safety. Lynette Sharp of the group No Hate in Texas, which has picketed the church all year, said she and other protesters were “all on top of the moon” that the church is moving. In September, Stedfast faced an eviction hearing with its Watauga landlord. The hearing was canceled after the property owner and the church reached an undisclosed agreement. Church officials also have said they’ve been harassed by protesters...

“I find it appalling,” said Tom Plumbley, senior minister of First Christian Church in Fort Worth. “Anybody calling for the killing of other people, that’s just way out of line.”

The pastor, Dillon Awes, was kicked out of his own church. He's moved on to Oklahoma City.

His former church, Stedfast Baptist, is in the suburbs of Dallas, Texas. It is a fringe "Old Testament/King James only" church and is much like the Westboro Baptist fringe group (a church that is just one family- the Phelps family- using the First Amendment for cover). Stedfast Baptist got evicted after the clip was posted online. They then got evicted again from their new location in another city. The church is going bankrupt from all of the trouble they have gotten into because of the crazy shit that they have been saying. For a church in North Texas (near the headquarters of the Trinity TV network) to get this much backlash from within Christianity, you know they're out of the mainstream.



The second article that you cited is the replacement pastor at the same crazy church - Stedfast Baptist. After they got evicted twice, they moved on to another location.


I've heard similar hateful rhetoric from Islamists and Orthodox Jews. These people aren't your enemy. The person that you should be afraid of is this guy:

He's a Dominionist. He used to be the legal counsel for an evangelical hate group. He's allied with the Family Research Council. He's now the Speaker of the US House.

Unlike the rest of the fringe religious freaks, Mike Johnson has actual power. And he's not the only member of Congress whose agenda is Dominionism, not the US Constitution. He looks like a choirboy but he was put in power by Trump as part of another "deal" to remove obstacles to Trump's agenda. Someone needs to answer what promises the Dominionists exacted from Trump in order to get Mike Johnson elected speaker. Hint: it ain't to kill LGBTQ people; it's all about getting White Christians into power in a State that looks more like Iran than modern America.
 
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Has anyone found that part of the bible quoted by Mr Awes, where it advises shooting people in the back of the head.
I dont think any edition ever said that, esp. when guns had not yet even been invented then.
The pastor is telling lies and he will end up in hell.

One of the problems with the American brand of religious freedom is that anyone can call themselves a "preacher". It used to be that there were universities that prepared ministers with education on the Bible and exegesis- an understanding of the context and interpretation of the Bible.

Most of the ministers talking about Romans don't know the context. They don't understand that homosexuality in the ancient Mediterranean didn't exist in the context of the way it is viewed today. Homosexual conduct, usually by heterosexual men, was viewed much differently by the Jewish people who had been under rule by pagan Romans.

Romans is an epistle written to Roman Christians who lived in a society where pederasty and homosexual prostitution was a part of the culture. The context of Romans is that Christians should not be part of the pagan culture of Rome. It's one of the reason the early Christians were lion food... at least until Constantine converted to Christianity.

There's a whole history of the early Christian church debating whether all of the members of the Church should be celibate and circumcized. Many modern day Christians just seem to skip over that whole section of the Epistles and pick out the verses that confirm their biases.
 
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Thankyou for that interesting article.
Intelligent writing about religion, how long before that gets banned?
 
Thankyou for that interesting article.
Intelligent writing about religion, how long before that gets banned?
It wouldn't matter if it were banned. The information is out there. The problem is that too many churches aren't teaching it.
 
Trump may be shutting down our LGBTQ+ suicide and mental health hotline, but CANADA has opened a US toll-free number to theirs...so our citizens can get help anytime, at no cost.
1-877-330-6366
Kindness & empathy have no borders.
 

One of the problems with the American brand of religious freedom is that anyone can call themselves a "preacher". It used to be that there were universities that prepared ministers with education on the Bible and exegesis- an understanding of the context and interpretation of the Bible.

Most of the ministers talking about Romans don't know the context. They don't understand that homosexuality in the ancient Mediterranean didn't exist in the context of the way it is viewed today. Homosexual conduct, usually by heterosexual men, was viewed much differently by the Jewish people who had been under rule by pagan Romans.

Romans is an epistle written to Roman Christians who lived in a society where pederasty and homosexual prostitution was a part of the culture. The context of Romans is that Christians should not be part of the pagan culture of Rome. It's one of the reason the early Christians were lion food... at least until Constantine converted to Christianity.

There's a whole history of the early Christian church debating whether all of the members of the Church should be celibate and circumcized. Many modern day Christians just seem to skip over that whole section of the Epistles and pick out the verses that confirm their biases.
The problem that I have with these kinds of articles is that they assume there is a right and a wrong and they are trying to show that a different interpretation will make a difference between the two. But in fact, there is no right and wrong...only what we like and don't like. So anything that Paul says one way or the other makes no difference in reality. The only way it would make a difference is to a person who is devoutly Christian and buys into all of that. And then an article like this is just trying to manipulate their brain about what the bible says and means.

I personally don't try to argue any points in the bible. I just point out how many times its flat out wrong and therefore can't be the word of "God" who is never wrong.
 
The problem that I have with these kinds of articles is that they assume there is a right and a wrong and they are trying to show that a different interpretation will make a difference between the two. But in fact, there is no right and wrong...only what we like and don't like. So anything that Paul says one way or the other makes no difference in reality. The only way it would make a difference is to a person who is devoutly Christian and buys into all of that. And then an article like this is just trying to manipulate their brain about what the bible says and means.

I personally don't try to argue any points in the bible. I just point out how many times its flat out wrong and therefore can't be the word of "God" who is never wrong.
I have lived in several countries where religion is used as a weapon. It almost always is a matter of induction: they have a belief and they look for religious text that justifies their prejudices and gives them a free pass for their behaviors.

I meet a lot of people who grew up in religious homes who came out of childhood with the belief that their religion says that they are not good people. The real issue is that we have a lot of religions and religious people who have forgotten the purpose of religion. It's something that explains a lot of the problems that we are seeing in the world today.

The message in the Epistles of the Bible is one that everyone needs to understand: this section of the Bible was an attempt to refocus the early Christian churches to stop the infighting and the nitpicking over what Christianity was; The writer set out to give the early Christian churches a purpose to focus on key tenets of the religion, one of which was to take care of each other. It's a message that still applies today, particularly to modern American Christian churches that have totally lost their moral compass. These churches have become obsessed with social issues like abortion, homosexuality, transsexuality, vaccines and really nutty things like QAnon. Meanwhile, we have an epidemic of pastors who are sexual predators and we have a whole group of evangelicals who are objectively mentally ill. And we have a White House Press Secretary, a Federal employee who is paid by taxpayer money who stands at the podium with a cross around her neck and tells lies. If that is not a measure of how sick Christianity is in America, I don't know what is.

The original question posed in this branch of the discussion thread is, "where in the Bible does it justify a Christian pastor calling upon congregants to kill homosexuals?" The answer is that there isn't anything in the Bible that justifies his statements. I provided the answer as to the pastor's self-serving misinterpretation: The Biblical text can only be interpreted in that way by someone who is ignorant, amoral and is using the Bible to justify their sociopathic behavior. With that knowledge, we can avoid getting into Biblical arguments with a pastor who needs to be removed from his pastorate and put into psychiatric care or the criminal justice system.
 
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Canada has stepped up to protect a trans person from being deported back to the US because of the abuse of trans people's rights. That and the likelihood that as a Latin, they would just as likely be swept up and incarcerated in a concentration camp.

 
In case you missed it, LGBTQ for Trump voters....

Next up...the LG. Why the fuck would any of you want to serve this country?

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Unfortunately, the outrage is meaningless. No one will do anything about it.

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Kim Davis finally has her case to overturn Obergefell in front of the Supreme Court.

Place your bets on the Roberts Court doing exactly that.

 
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So the US isn't even permitting Trans service members a hearing before discharge.


They'll be doing the same thing to gay service members before long.
 
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