On Topic Discussion Taralen's 2018 Random Musings About Life...

[Dominus]

Re: Why is everyone so oblivious here? YOU GUYS EXIST AS GAY MEN IN REAL LIFE

A business doing what?

Anything you want. I have talked to many people and pretty much everyone has a business idea. 90% never actually got the will to go through with it.

A person is not meant to sit idle. It gives you too much time to get depressed and feel sorry for yourself.

Over in reddit, there is a sub called /neet. Over there, you can read first hand accounts of how depressing and self destructive it can get sitting idle.

 

[TheLoveableLoner]

Re: Why is everyone so oblivious here? YOU GUYS EXIST AS GAY MEN IN REAL LIFE

How to find a boyfriend on JUB:

1. Tell folks that you were born to be miserable, never show a sign of being open to suggestion or willing to take corrective steps to improve your life.
2. Casually drop the name of other members you're attracted to in hopes that they'll move across the world to date you and fix your life problems.
3. ?!????!?
4. PROFIT!

 

[Alistair]

Re: Why is everyone so oblivious here? YOU GUYS EXIST AS GAY MEN IN REAL LIFE

How to find a boyfriend on JUB:

1. Tell folks that you were born to be miserable, never show a sign of being open to suggestion or willing to take corrective steps to improve your life.
2. Casually drop the name of other members you're attracted to in hopes that they'll move across the world to date you and fix your life problems.
3. ?!????!?
4. PROFIT!

Don't forget

5. Repeatedly tell everyone to fuck off!

 

[Taralen]

Re: Why is everyone so oblivious here? YOU GUYS EXIST AS GAY MEN IN REAL LIFE

Anything you want. I have talked to many people and pretty much everyone has a business idea. 90% never actually got the will to go through with it.

A person is not meant to sit idle. It gives you too much time to get depressed and feel sorry for yourself.

Over in reddit, there is a sub called /neet. Over there, you can read first hand accounts of how depressing and self destructive it can get sitting idle.

I never heard of that term.

That scares me and I'm not interested in that.

It seems it's mostly a heteronormative atmosphere too, so I want nothing to do with that.

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How to find a boyfriend on JUB:

1. Tell folks that you were born to be miserable, never show a sign of being open to suggestion or willing to take corrective steps to improve your life.
2. Casually drop the name of other members you're attracted to in hopes that they'll move across the world to date you and fix your life problems.
3. ?!????!?
4. PROFIT!

I never said I wanted to date them. I just said those types of guys are my type.

 

[gayvga]

Re: What kind of music do you like?

I´m versatile, musically.
I like mainly Dance, Latin, Synth-pop, Electropop, Electronica, Ambient, Arab Pop, Rock, Pop, Italo Disco, Euro Disco, Europop, Eurodance, EDM, Hi-NRG, Latin Pop and something with a very strong cultural identity.
I don´t like Rap, Heavy Metal and the Metal subgenres.

 

[Taralen]

Can gay and straight men be friends?

This is a list of several topics I wanted to discuss that I feel people aren't really discussing in the queer/gay male community which are.

Can gay and straight men be friends?
Do you believe race/culture plays a factor in your gay lifestyle?
Why is it hard for gay men to network?
Why is the gay community not accepting of alternative lifestyles/personalities?
Do you believe there is tension between masculine and feminine gay guys?
Why are straight people not interested in your personal life being gay?

Just as an introduction as I know we all come from different backgrounds and situations and experiences, I am a gay African/Black American feminine man.

So in this topic, I'm going to ask, can gay (and same gender loving) and straight, (and/or straight identifying men) be friends?

Now this is not to be confused with a similar topic of mine called "Do you believe there is tension between masculine and feminine gay guys?"

To me, I'm sadly going to say no, they cannot.

Now if you disagree that's fine, that's why it's called a discussion.

But to me, I have to say that I do not think gay and straight men can be friends.

I do believe that gay and straight men can be associates or acquaintances or "insert other word for someone whom you are not necessarily comfortable with but can tolerate, you wouldn't necessarily depend on either but think they are an alright person, and would never develop any type of interpersonal relationship with, but you don't hate or detest".

But can gay and straight men be friends? No, to me they cannot.

I first and foremost believe people befriend people whom are most like them, in one way or the other.

For example, petite girls, are going to mix well with other petite girls.

Big burly macho men, are going to mix well with other big macho burly men. etc.

Straight women usually befriend straight women, and straight men, befriend other straight men.

In addition to that, straight women do not befriend straight men at all and vice versa.

She's either attracted to him, and/or, he's attracted to her, and they are at that the "friend" stage, and they are both nervous and excited to officially call it a courtship, but no they are not friends.

Either the sparks they are calling a "friendship' will ignite into a flame of love, and that's no longer a friendship, it's a relationship, like it was from the beginning, or it won't and they will avoid each other, and they are no longer friends.

That's just how it is.

How that correlates to the queer/gay male world, is that gay/queer men are attracted to other men.

So this makes friendships difficult and complex.

I don't give a fuck. I don't know any gay guy that wouldn't befriend a straight guy, that didn't deep down find him attractive and want him.

Straight men do not want to be with a guy who is harboring attraction towards him. it's just a recipe for disaster, and that to me isn't a healthy relationship to have.

Which is why most gay men in friendships with straight women, are very feminine and camp and has a womanly attitude to himself, like myself, to where the woman isn't at all turned on or attracted to that shit.

Now can lesbian women and straight women be friends, yes. It's very common to see a group women out in the town having fun, and have a more butch/lesbian apart of the group.

But I cannot think of one instance unless it was a comedy sketch on television, in which a group of macho straight men, had a feminine gay man in their group.

The fact is, most straight men are not comfortable with gay men like that, and it's okay. That is just the way it is, and it's one of those things to where gender roles and male masculinity and sexuality in men is tested that way.

I think that was even an episode of Modern Family. To where Mitchell was out with the rest of the guys and he was uncomfortable, and they were uncomfortable at him. I'm sure that was the right show.

But yeah, it just doesn't happen.

Now if a guy is more masculine and straight acting, I mean I guess that would be an exception that isn't the rule.

But to straight men, whether you are feminine like Richard Simmons or macho like Mr. Clean, you are still a gay man that sucks dick. So all of that doesn't matter.

You will still be "that gay guy", you will still be that guy they will call faggot when people are loose or alcohol is involved, you will be that guy who feels out of place compared to married men who talk about their lives with their wife and their children etc. All types of shit. Again whether your feminine like Little Richard or masculine like Paul Bunyan. That shit does not matter.

Now even with more hipster or artsy fartsy straight guys, there can be issues with that. At the end of the day, I don't care how open minded a straight guy is, he cannot relate or empathize with being a gay man, he cannot.

That's how straight men are usually. There are some things he doesn't want to talk to you about, or things he is not comfortable talking to you about.

He's gonna expect you to mask your hide your sexuality from him, "You're gay, but I don't care about that." Now that might sound nice and accepting, but it's not. In other words, he's saying, don't' bring any of that gay shit when you're with me. etc. So yeah.

So based on the point I gave above, I do not believe that gay and straight men can be friends.

Feel free to leave your opinions to the discussion. Thank you.

 

[Taralen]

Do you believe there is tension between masculine and feminine gay guys?

This is a list of several topics I wanted to discuss that I feel people aren't really discussing in the queer/gay male community which are.

Can gay and straight men be friends?
Do you believe race/culture plays a factor in your gay lifestyle?[/color]
Why is it hard for gay men to network?
Why is the gay community not accepting of alternative lifestyles/personalities?
Do you believe there is tension between masculine and feminine gay guys?
Why are straight people not interested in your personal life being gay?

Just as an introduction as I know we all come from different backgrounds and situations and experiences, I am a gay African/Black American feminine man.

So in this topic, I'm going to ask, is there tension or issues between masculine and feminine men, in addition, are there issues if a gay man isn't masculine, or is too feminine?


This is not to be confused with another topic titled "Can gay and straight men be friends?"

So with that being said, I do believe there is issues between masculine and feminine gay men, in both sides and regards.

Now me myself, I am a feminine man.

As far as friendships and empathy, I can relate more to feminine men, and understand their issues and struggles and their vibe.

However, when it comes to sexual attraction, and my ideal partner or mate, I am attracted to more macho and masculine gay men though.

So I can see the issue.

I'm not bothered if a masculine man isn't attracted to a feminine man, that's fine. We all like what we like and that's okay.

My issue is when masculine men are like, "I want a man, not a woman." "You give gays a bad name." "Stop acting like a girl." etc. Shit like that.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen on the flip side, that feminine men don't also have ways of shaming masculine gay men, I just can't at the moment think of any scenarios or examples. So this is where you guys can also agree or add upon. But yeah.

There is no excuse or reason for that. We are all gay men, and it's stuff like that, which only makes the issue a lot harder to deal with.

I feel many feminine gay men feel rejected and shunned by masculine gay men, and many masculine gay men, don't want to get tied into the emotional bullshit or lack of interest with feminine gay men.

So it's tough when you are in that circle like that and dealing with it.

I just wanted to bring this out, as I feel this is an issue, and I wanted to discuss this.

 

[Taralen]

Do you believe race/culture plays a factor in your gay lifestyle?

This is a list of several topics I wanted to discuss that I feel people aren't really discussing in the queer/gay male community which are.

Can gay and straight men be friends?
Do you believe race/culture plays a factor in your gay lifestyle?
Why is it hard for gay men to network?
Why is the gay community not accepting of alternative lifestyles/personalities?
Do you believe there is tension between masculine and feminine gay guys?
Why are straight people not interested in your personal life being gay?

Just as an introduction as I know we all come from different backgrounds and situations and experiences, I am a gay African/Black American feminine man.

So in this topic, I'm going to ask, does your race or culture play a factor (if any at all) in your gay lifestyle and livelihood?


This is not to be confused with another topic titled "Why is the gay community not accepting of alternative lifestyles/personalities?"

I do believe that your race or culture, in the Western world, as far as being a gay man has a lot to do with how you operate in the gay culture.

You can agree or disagree or be indifferent, and that's okay. These are just my observations.

To clarify, you have gay culture like Modern Family. To where it's more conservative and calm. You have mostly white gay men apart of this culture, and they mingle with other gay white men, and you very rarely see black or asian queer people in this circuit. It's a very rare exception to the rule.

They aren't usually accepted in it. It's just very rare. I'm not saying it's impossible to see a guy that's not white in this circuit, but it's rare. He either has to have something unique or special about him, which even in those cases it's not enough, but that's usually what it is. He's apart of their company or their business. He's an exception or something about him is different. He's able to racially pass as someone he's not or is perceived to be etc. Even then, they still won't accept a gay guy like that in those conditions. He usually just has to be at the right place at the right time. etc.

In other words, it's just rare.

You'll see a youtube video from a gay guy from this tribe, and you will very rarely see a queer guy that's not white in the comments posting in the comments.

But you'll mostly see guys into the gym and fitness and leisure culture. Doing hunting and fishing and things like that. Also possibly into modern and fine arts as well.

Most of the music is kinda angsty. More acoustic and rockish. Many of them are into that artsy indie pop music.

Which someone who is just an extroverted person like myself, who just wants to be loved, it's hard to get into this culture.

Then you have the urban gay culture.

This is the group I'm apart of as being a gay black feminine man.

Which is usually black gay men, but other races of guys can be apart of it too.

These are usually in urban or metropolitan cities or areas. Dance and disco and house music, hip hop music, drag queens etc.

There is the down low epidemic, you'll see "gay black pride" "gay asian pride" "latin night" "Puerto rican night" "Blatino pride" etc.

There is recreational drug use and partying sometimes.

That's basically the core of it.

There are a lot of memes and funny catchphrases. Like "Yes, hunty." "Ooh Girl," "Miss thang" etc.

Conservative gays, don't even know this culture exists half the time, or are even interested, that's how bad and separated it is in my opinion.

But usually, they find guys from this group a major deal breaker. They are not into these things, or know what they even are.

This is why whenever there are issues with racism in the gay community with events run by the more conservative gays.

Such as "preference vs racism", how many gay events are segregated. You have these gay clubs run by white gays, and you have people not being admitted or getting kicked out of gay clubs, and saying they can't wear certain attire. They can't wear snapback caps, jerseys, bling bling, wife beaters, short shorts, high top shoes, doo rags, tops that cover your bottoms, beanies, baggy jeans etc. They get silent, and they don't care.

You'll see stories of injustice with queer LGBT people that aren't white, they don't care.

There was a video on youtube of a feminine gay black guy who was complaining about his issues with fitting in with other gay guys in rural settings and being rejected for groups and dating.

The comments were mostly queers that were not white, I don't recall ever seeing any white gay men chiming in.

Unless he's an exception to the rule as I said on the flip side. He has knowledge of House and urban music or with urban culture. Or he's into the drag culture, or a drag queen himself or his partner is a queer that is not white etc.

I don't ever see them getting involved with stuff like this.

Yet videos of white gay men talking about issues, a bunch of white queer men offer support and camaraderie.

I don't understand that shit.

I just want to know am I the only one who has noticed this separation?

It just makes me upset, that it ruins my relationship with other gay men because of this. I feel so alone and fenced in.

Why does this happen. Why can't we all support and love each other as gay men?

So that's just what I believe. I do believe that most of it does play a factor.

 

[Taralen]

Why is the gay community not accepting of alternative lifestyles/personalities?

This is a list of several topics I wanted to discuss that I feel people aren't really discussing in the queer/gay male community which are.

Can gay and straight men be friends?
Do you believe race/culture plays a factor in your gay lifestyle?[/color]
Why is it hard for gay men to network?
Why is the gay community not accepting of alternative lifestyles/personalities?
Do you believe there is tension between masculine and feminine gay guys?
Why are straight people not interested in your personal life being gay?

Just as an introduction as I know we all come from different backgrounds and situations and experiences, I am a gay African/Black American feminine man.

So in this topic, I'm going to ask, why is does the gay/queer male community not accepting of alternative lifestyles and personalities.


This is not to be confused with another topic titled "Do you believe race/culture plays a factor in your gay lifestyle?

So I'll keep this one brief and short, or will try to.

Like as I said before, this topic is similar, but its' not to be confused to what I feel is an entirely different issue altogether, which is does your race or culture play any fact into your life as a gay man.

In this topic, I'm asking why is the gay community not accepting of alternative lifestyles.

For example. People who are smoke marijuana, are new age believers, christian, Jewish, buddist, live in a commune, people who are very particular with their political beliefs and expression, whether it's to the left or right, people who are writers, artists, or creators, people who crossdress or do drag, people who are into S&M or bondage, people who have certain kinks or fetishes.

Just to name a few, and I think you can assume what I'm getting at, if I didn't necessarily mention a particular trope, I apologize. I tried to cover the more common ones.

These are all things in the straight world, that people for the most part seem to understand or accept and it's okay.

Yet in the gay world, I can think of so many issues to where if a person was belonging to those tropes I mentioned earlier, in the gay world, it's seen as an issue.

Like they see that as an issue or something they don't want to get involved in.

If you're a gay man and you dare have a nontraditional belief system or an opinion on politics, heaven help you. That what it seems like.

That's my theory, is that the gay/queer male community wants to be vanilla and neutral as possible to gain acceptance I've noticed, and to maybe erase stereotypes or negative images they don't want I presume.

You have to look like a Sean Cody model, and be as picture perfect as possible. You know. You have to have that guy next door frame to yourself, no excuses or exceptions. I just don't understand that shit.

You can also add personalities as well. I noticed in the straight world, men who act a certain way, it's okay and tolerated. With women it's even desired.

Yet in the gay world, it's the complete opposite and not as accepted.

Why is it that straight men who are very egocentric, cocky, have high swagger and charisma.

Guys who always have a funny comeback, or make their presence known in a group, acting very broad etc. Very assertive with his beliefs, vices and opinions etc.

Like John Oliver, Gavin McInnes and Alex Jones for example.

(In reddit terms, think of guys who have high karma, and do nothing but make snarky posts and shitpost on reddit all the time, and IRL they are pretty much identical to that. )

Women seem to love guys like that.

I get it too. Because something about a guy that has the guts to be like that. It's I guess in a sense seen as cute to not only myself, but I can see why other people would as well. Seeing a man's egotistical attitude like that and his swagger..

You know, he's one of the guys, he's one of the bro's, so it's whatever. He's a cool dude etc.

But why is it in the gay world, gay men like that are told they have bad attitudes, told they give gays a bad name avoided, banned, shunned, called victims for acting like that and basically told to shut the fuck up.

Like Perez Hilton and Milo Yiannopoulos to name some of the more well known ones.

I'll even add myself to this category as well.

Being a gay black feminine man who's alone and struggle with relationships in the queer male community.

I'm told to shut my damn mouth, stop acting diva and my opinion doesn't matter.

Something in straight men is considered okay and gives him charisma points by him being assertive.

In gay men, it's seen as negative and a problem.

It makes it hard for you to gain relationships with other queer men.

Fuck. Even when I talk to other queen men saying I wouldn't mind a guy who's more cocky, I'm looked at crazy and funny.

When you are just acting like your natural self and that's just your personality.

Why?

So that's just my take, on why the gay/queer community isn't accepting of alternative lifestyles or personalities.

 

[Cormac135]

Re: Do you believe there is tension between masculine and feminine gay guys?

Not for me there isn't, i take people as they are, just don't be a prick.

 

[Latimer]

Re: Do you believe race/culture plays a factor in your gay lifestyle?

No, I don't.

 

[Taralen]

Why is it hard for gay men to network?

This is a list of several topics I wanted to discuss that I feel people aren't really discussing in the queer/gay male community which are.

Can gay and straight men be friends?
Do you believe race/culture plays a factor in your gay lifestyle?[/color]
Why is it hard for gay men to network?
Why is the gay community not accepting of alternative lifestyles/personalities?
Do you believe there is tension between masculine and feminine gay guys?
Why are straight people not interested in your personal life being gay?

Just as an introduction as I know we all come from different backgrounds and situations and experiences, I am a gay African/Black American feminine man.

So in this topic, I'm going to ask, why is it hard for gay men to network or associate with making business relationships. etc.

This is not to be confused with another topic titled, "Why are straight people not interested in your personal life being gay?"

I got reminded of this buy a gay man who made a reddit post, saying he's at wits end, with working with straight men and them being his boss.

This person who is a gay person of color like myself, talks about how they don't like working for straight male bosses. They feel they will get fired or dismissed or not appreciated etc. It's sad and I totally understand where they are coming from.

They also mention the issue with working with white straight men in particular.

As sadly us queer POC have to deal with both racism and homophobia in society.

But as this is a gay reddit, I'm going to leave race out of it, and just deal with the gay aspect.

I'm asking why is it so hard for us gay men to network with straight men?

That thread totally reminded me of the fact that within the past few weeks or so, I been to three job recruitment events which led to interviews, all by straight men.

I live in Los Angeles, so there is lots of opportunity to network, just as a gay man, it's harder.

All for jobs I really wanted, included one which included being a Bartender in this really fancy hotel in DTLA.

I could tell by the interviews they were not at all interested in me. It's sad.

I know gay men in the fashion industry, doing makeup, in the liberal arts field can get lucky and find queer positive people in those networks.

But I'm not interested in any of that stuff.

I really feel if I wasn't a gay black man, I would have been given a job offer, despite my qualifications and that I have a vibrant personality about myself.

I think that's what shoots myself in the foot. These straight men running these companies don't want guys like me.

I guess it's easier for more straight acting men, but even then I heard of some cases to where there are no exceptions to the rule in that regard.

Why is it so hard for gay men to network with straight men?

So I do think it is hard for gay men to network based on what I feel above.

I feel it's difficult for gay men to be in that position.

They aren't seen as a threat to other straight men, but on the other side, there are cons to that. Nobody wants an threatening man apart of their business team. He can fax and photo copy papers and notarize all the companies documents, make coffee, but he's not going to be networking with everyone else.

So that's how I feel. What do you think. Leave your opinions.

 

[Latimer]

Re: Can gay and straight men be friends?

Yes, I do.

 

[Cormac135]

Re: Can gay and straight men be friends?

Most of my friends are straight.

The gift that keeps on giving, sadly it's nothing you ever want to receive.

 

[Taralen]

Why are straight people not interested in your personal life being gay?

This is a list of several topics I wanted to discuss that I feel people aren't really discussing in the queer/gay male community which are.

Can gay and straight men be friends?
Do you believe race/culture plays a factor in your gay lifestyle?[/color]
Why is it hard for gay men to network?
Why is the gay community not accepting of alternative lifestyles/personalities?
Do you believe there is tension between masculine and feminine gay guys?
Why are straight people not interested in your personal life being gay?

Just as an introduction as I know we all come from different backgrounds and situations and experiences, I am a gay African/Black American feminine man.

So in this topic, I'm asking why are straight people turned off and sometimes uncomfortable when you mention your personal life being gay?


This is not to be confused with another topic titled "Why is it hard for gay men to network?"

I just find it kinda a double standard, that it's okay for a man to talk about his manhood and what he enjoys and his experiences, talk about his wife and children, or talking about women in a group of guys or whatever.

It's okay for straight people to talk about their personal lives and their relationship lives.

Yet a gay man even says, "oh that man his handsome." That's an issue and a problem.

If two actors on TV are portraying a gay couple, it's mind control, it's a gay agenda, it's an issue. That's not something people want to see that. "Keep your personal life to yourself."

Yet every other advertisement is of a straight couple and nobody says shit. They don't care. When that is also their personal life they should keep to themselves.

I got reminded towards this through a reddit post.

Here it is, I found it.

The post was telling people, about any anecdotes about being in the Angeles National Forest. Which if you guys don't know, The Angeles National forest, is a really big nature preserve in Los Angeles. It's away from the city, and there are hiking trails, lakes, camping sites, you can do lots of activities. It's really fun and nice.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LosAngeles...e_have_strangecreepy_angeles_national_forest/

Now here is my exact post.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LosAngeles...trangecreepy_angeles_national_forest/dpslry2/

I explained that when I was in elementary school towards the end of the school year, me and some other boys in my school went on a camping trip there, as they wanted to take underprivileged kids out and experience the outdoors.

I then mention I'm a gay black guy. Now you can argue that this feat is very dismissive and I didn't have to mention it. On the contrary though to be honest.

I felt it pertained to the story, as it is unusual and out of the ordinary, for a gay black feminine man to talk about going camping and experiencing the outdoors. It is. It doesn't mean it's a bad thing, or it's terrible, no. But it is uncommon, so that's why I mentioned it.

I was downvoted so harshly for that, people were saying we don't want to hear about that shit.

So I felt like they didn't care or want to hear about any of that.

I think it's the same at jobs I've had. I brought stuff up about me being gay, people would be silent and not want to hear it. It's very tough and difficult.

I just don't know why this is, and I feel kinda confused on it.

So you can share what you think as well and your opinion. Thank you.

 

[peeonme]

Re: Why are straight people not interested in your personal life being gay?

It makes them uncomfortable. A lot of str8 guys 'experimented' at one time or another, many had or still have 'gay' fantasies while masturbating. They compartmentalize this part of their sexuality and only want to deal with it in a very private setting.

It's important to the str8 male ego (which is very fragile) to be totally 100%, unquestionably heterosexual.

 

[JohnnyAnger]

Re: Can gay and straight men be friends?

All of my closest friends are straight. Honestly they don't give a shit about me being gay, its not the 1950s any more. I can't imagine any of them would tolerate any homophobia from other straight men either.

 

[Taralen]

Re: Can gay and straight men be friends?

All of my closest friends are straight. Honestly they don't give a shit about me being gay, its not the 1950s any more. I can't imagine any of them would tolerate any homophobia from other straight men either.

I don't have any straight friends at all. I don't have any gay friends either.

But I'm more open to having gay friends though.

I've had straight guy associates when I was in school and classmates and stuff.

The reason as to why I can't say I can befriend straight man, is that the type of straight men I would befriend, I'm attracted to or I think are handsome, or I want to at least suck his dick once.

I can't do that, so I'm gonna save all the bullshit for everyone involved and just not do it.

It has nothing to do with it not being the 1950's anymore. I think although homophobia sadly is still an issue, it's not as bad as it is in present day. I think for the most part, most straight men are accepting. But that's not what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about interpersonal friendships. Like a gay man and a straight man going to each other for emotional support and shit like that.

I'm not saying that straight men don't have to respect gay men, they do. I just don't see it possible for them having a friendship, or one that isn't awkward or the gay guy not giving him a blowjob at one point or some shit like that etc.

A straight man not wanting to befriend a gay man is not homophobic, and a gay man being uncomfortable around straight men for friendships is not heterophobic.

I notice it's just more in the male circuit.

Gay men can befriend each other just fine, and have FWB or whatever.

Straight women can befriend gay men just fine.

Lesbians can befriend straight women, and straight and gay men just fine.

It's just the way it is and how gender roles are made.

It might also have to do with the fact I'm not only a black man, (which studies have shown that black men sadly are seen in negative lights in social cues), in addition to being a gay feminine man. So it's just tough.

But I think these are just universal examples.

 

[Taralen]

Re: Do you believe there is tension between masculine and feminine gay guys?

Not for me there isn't, i take people as they are, just don't be a prick.

Which is lovely and grand.

But I want your more general perception in the gay/queer male community on this issue.

 

[Cormac135]

Re: Do you believe there is tension between masculine and feminine gay guys?

Which is lovely and grand.

But I want your more general perception in the gay/queer male community on this issue.

No. i'm not feeding into your neurosis.