On-Topic Trump Bans Syrian Refugees

[Stardreamer]

So it seems on Feb 7th Muhammad Ali Jr, son of the famous boxer, and his mother were detained by customs while returning from a speaking engagement overseas. They were flagged based on their 'Arab' sounding names. The first time this has ever happened to them. Both are US citizens traveling with US Passports. His mother having a picture of her with Muhammad Ali was released in short order but Muhammad Ali Jr was questioned for hours. Over and over he was questioned on where he got his name, was he a Muslim (Yes, he is), questions about his religious beliefs, and where he was born.

He is filing suit on the belief that even though the courts have stayed Trump's EO the customs service is intentionally profiling people based on their religion alone.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/02/24/muhammad-ali-jr-detained-immigration-officials-fla-airport/98379082/

 

[gsdx]

^ I read about that. It was disgusting. I'd like to see Trump try to deport him. To where? Poughkeepsie? East McKeesport?

 

[Stardreamer]

^ I read about that. It was disgusting. I'd like to see Trump try to deport him. To where? Poughkeepsie? East McKeesport?

Well that would be the problem, we don't have an extradition treaty with Poughkeepsie.

 

[rareboy]

So I see that the White House has lost their request for a hold on the Appeal against the disastrous Trumpian immigration ban.

This should be crazy. The courts hearing an appeal against the original ban while TrumpCo. push another one out the door this week that is also sure to be challenged in the courts if it is based on the same animus and lack of foundation as the first.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-court-idUSKBN16627W

Many epect the challenges to just be bundled up if the Executive Order is not substantially different this time around.

 

[rareboy]

So.

TrumpCo. has apparently decided to exempt Iraq from his arbitrary list of people banned from travelling to the US.

This should help sink his case in court.

 

[rareboy]

Apparently the White house is delaying the new immigration order because they don't want it to kill the buzz around Trump's speech on Tuesday night.

So much for the absolute urgency.

 

[Benvolio]

Apparently the White house is delaying the new immigration order because they don't want it to kill the buzz around Trump's speech on Tuesday night.

So much for the absolute urgency.

The urgency existed at the time ar the inauguration but the flood gates were opened by the stay. Much of that damage is irreparable and there is less urgency.

 

[Kabluey]

The urgency existed at the time ar the inauguration but the flood gates were opened by the stay. Much of that damage is irreparable and there is less urgency.

Oh my, all those college students, employees, spouses, parents and children were able to return.
The horror.

 

[rareboy]

The urgency existed at the time ar the inauguration but the flood gates were opened by the stay. Much of that damage is irreparable and there is less urgency.

Total horseshit.

Everyone coming to the US under visa has already undergone major vetting.

The government failed at demonstrating urgency before the Ninth and this just verifies that it was a meaningless ban based on animus.

 

[rareboy]

So it looks like the Trump travel ban was based on Jeff Sessions faulty data.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/02/donald-trump-travel-ban-terrorism-data

And now it is being delayed into next week.

 

[kallipolis]

Total horseshit.

Everyone coming to the US under visa has already undergone major vetting.

The government failed at demonstrating urgency before the Ninth and this just verifies that it was a meaningless ban based on animus.

Noteworthy, and accurate.

 

[rareboy]

So the Ban v2.0 seems to be an admission that the first Order was a legal and operational disaster.

As anticipated, suddenly Iraq is no longer a danger apparently and Syrian refugees are no longer banned permanently.

The White House is actually giving travellers sufficient advance notice to avoid the clusterfuck at airports that resulted form the last ban and is allowing those with green cards and visas issued before the date of the original ban to enter.

So this version of Fortress America is somewhat more forgiving, but has all the hallmarks of the mean spirited original order.

It is likely to survive the legal challenges that the now rescinded first order could not and marks the real dawn of a permanent darker, paranoid and meaner nation.

Hopefully, in 120 days, the US can be assured that it now has 'extreme vetting' in place and will be able to lighten the fuck up a little, but I'm not optimistic. The White House is actually talking about a global assessment of all countries so one expects that Central America, Mexico, south-east Asia, China and all African and other countries where TrumpCo. doesn't have business dealings will find their visa procedures lacking.

 

[Sausy]

To paraphrase Bush 41, we will now have in place a "kinder and gentler Muslim ban".

 

[gsdx]

I guess they just have to look Muslim to be turned back:

MONTREAL — A Montrealer who is a Canadian citizen by birth says she was barred from entering the United States and told to get a valid visa if she ever wants to cross the border.

Manpreet Kooner said she was turned away at a crossing along the Quebec-Vermont border on Sunday after a six-hour wait where she was fingerprinted, photographed and questioned before being refused.

She said she was told she was an immigrant without a valid U.S. visa.

Kooner, 30, is of Indian descent and was born in Montreal to parents who came to Canada from India in the 1960s and have lived in the same LaSalle district duplex for decades.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/canadian-citizen-denied-entry-united-210301774.html

 

[rareboy]

^ This. We are going to hear more and more of these stories.

The ban is going to target anyone who is brown. It is a pretext for rampant racism by border control officers.

 

[gsdx]

^ More on the story:

U.S. border patrol agents have been acting in capricious ways for years, a lawyer for a prominent civil rights organization said Tuesday in the wake of yet another high-profile case of a Canadian denied entry to the country.

Lia Ernst, a staff attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union's Vermont chapter, added that it's possible they have been emboldened since President Donald Trump took power in January.

"We've heard numerous stories across the country, long before this administration, of customs and border patrol agents acting in arbitrary and capricious ways and assuming unto themselves an authority and a power that they don't have," she said.

"It appears possible that that's been turned on to hyper drive, based on what the rhetoric coming out of the administration has been."

Manpreet had been turned away and told that she needed an immigrant visa to cross the border. She went to the US Embassy and was told that Canadian citizens with passports and proper ID did not need a visa unless she was going to the United States to work.

Either the rules are not clear or the border agents are overstepping their authority.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/u-border-agents-under-microscope-220000711.html

 

[rareboy]

^ Oh we've met a lot of these fucked up border officials before. The worst part is that there is almost no recourse.

I've dealt with it as a professional doing work in the US and as a homo visiting the US before homos became somewhat legitimized in the lower 49.

And there is little doubt that it has gone into hyper drive under Trump. Every racist border mall cop wannabe feels emboldened by having him as president. A lot of them loved the original Executive Order because it was so vague that it allowed them to make up shit as they went along.

 

[rareboy]

So I see that Hawaii will be the first state to file a legal challenge against the ban, stating that it has the same structural defects as the original order, even though it covers a much smaller group of people.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-appeal-idUSKBN16F01P

It would seem obvious that there are going to be opposing opinions from federal courts, so this case could reach the Supreme Court in short order. The question is whether Gorsuch will be in place when that happens.

 

[Kabluey]

^ Oh we've met a lot of these fucked up border officials before. The worst part is that there is almost no recourse.

I've dealt with it as a professional doing work in the US and as a homo visiting the US before homos became somewhat legitimized in the lower 49.

And there is little doubt that it has gone into hyper drive under Trump. Every racist border mall cop wannabe feels emboldened by having him as president. A lot of them loved the original Executive Order because it was so vague that it allowed them to make up shit as they went along.

I've crossed the border in some ports where the process is extremely efficient and professional. And also in places where the officials have turned up on dirt bikes with attitude and billed selected foreigners for entry without explaining the fees billed or why some were required to pay and not others.
There's a wide variance in professionalism.

 

[Benvolio]

^ Oh we've met a lot of these fucked up border officials before. The worst part is that there is almost no recourse.

I've dealt with it as a professional doing work in the US and as a homo visiting the US before homos became somewhat legitimized in the lower 49.

And there is little doubt that it has gone into hyper drive under Trump. Every racist border mall cop wannabe feels emboldened by having him as president. A lot of them loved the original Executive Order because it was so vague that it allowed them to make up shit as they went along.

Was she asked why she was coming in, and what was her response? If she said she was immigrating, it would make sense to require an immigrant visa.