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Undying love for my best friend...please read(long

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Hey Bri Happy Turkey day. I glad you get to see Andy.
 
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Well...I got showered and dressed, and then waited...then Andy called...and I asked what hes doing, whats up?..Understandably I know hes busy.

I told him to not rush and to settle in and just chill out and hang out with his family and friends.

I asked him if we are going to get to talk and to see each other tonight. His answer was a very solemn and short "Dunno, maybe.."

Well I said, "Let's try ok?"

And hes like, "I dont know.."

He was very cold and then we hung up.

He seems to be really pissed at me regarding this loan..and I guess hes going to make me "pay" for my remarks...and going to "punish" me by not seeing me too much.

If thats the case, that will be his loss...Im just going on with my days. Its funny though how he treats me and his other friends.They never know whats really going on with him because Andy cant even open up to them and when they saw some stuff he was going through they never bothered to help. But you know what? These are the guys he will spend the most time with. These are the guys he will treat better. But me? What do I get for what I have done for him? Attitude and dis-respect. I get shit on.

Anyway. Hope you have a better vacation than me guys..Im heading off with my older brother to my parents beach house for the day..will update you tonight. Brian

I know Im over reacting I guess...its just that I wanted things to go better. And I never expected him to be pissed at me, especially when he came to visit.
 
Re: Undying love for my best friend...please read(long)

Hi LV.

I think Andy is being a manipulative asshole playing on your emotions to get money out of you. I would play him at his own game, he needs you as a friend emotionally as well. So wait for him to come to you. Carry on and enjoy your life you have worked so hard on in the past few months.

You can't spend your life being an emotional and financial crutch for him. It sort of feels rather one sided, you giving all the support and him taking it. I could well be wrong here as I don't have his take on it.

Don't get upset, you should be proud of being such a good friend and re-building your life and moving forwards despite his moving away. (*8*) (*8*) :kiss: :kiss:
 
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Well, still no word from Andy and its about 10pm..Im just going to head to bed. Happy Thanksgiving guys! Brian
 
Re: Undying love for my best friend...please read(long)

Hey guys, 2pm here on Friday, still no word from Andrew. Kind of bummed out, ttyl. Vegas
 
Re: Undying love for my best friend...please read(long)

Don't be bummed out Brian, this is the point where you discover if he is a real friend or just using you. Sure it will hurt like hell if he doesn't visit you after all he has said to you. But at the same time if he doesn't visit you what does it say about him and his motives?

Ask yourself "If I had offered him the loan and he had to come round to collect, would he have been here?" If the answer is yes and he doesn't visit, it is fair to assume that the loan is all he wanted. I hope that isn't what happens and that he visits you anyway. But be prepared for a dissapointment and excuses. (*8*)
 
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Hi LostVegas

I have read your post from day one and your last post finally inspired me to join JUB. I have resisted posting before because I was hoping I would be wrong about the outcome and didn’t want to post negative thoughts. Please understand that it is possible for Andy to genuinely love you as a friend and still be a user. People do it all the time to their family members. This has far more to do with how Andy is and very little to do with you. I’m sure Andy has been a user all his life and that’s why his family and long term friends won’t help him anymore. They probably realize that giving him money is really hurting him by allowing him to remain irresponsible. He needs to grow up and stand on his own two feet. You should be proud that you have been such a good friend to Andy, but also realize that you can’t fix Andy. Only Andy can fix Andy. Until he truly wants to change, things will remain the same no matter what you do. As you have said over and over recently, you need to focus on you. Let Andy take care of Andy. Trust me, I speak from experience.
 
Re: Undying love for my best friend...please read(long)

Hey Brian,

I've posted a coupla times before.

I know that you know this - but it doesn't hurt to get another reminder that - you have a great heart!

Vetteboi hit the nail on the head. You have done everything humanly possible for Andy and more. You have done for him much more than a partner, friend, or family member could ever do, and I am sure that underneath all of those layers, Andy realizes it. His behavior is the only way that he knows to deal with life, and though it does *not* come from malicious intent, it *does* have direct impact on the lives of everyone around him.

I've been there. That's all that I can say. My only concern for you is that your heart doesn't harden over time, and that you don't lose sight of yourself in this process.

You have made huge strides in your life the past few months, and you speak (post - I should say) with more clarity. This is a step in the right direction. Take care of yourself.
 
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Thanks for the very kind words Texan..xoxoxo


Well, no sooner than I posted, Andy called. :D

He said whats going on? I cooly said nothing much. :^o

He said his trip so far has been horrible. I asked why...and he goes, "Do I really have to tell you why?"

He said he was cold to me yesterday because he was hurting so much and that he tried to be cold to me so it would be easier but he caved in.

We agreed to meet and at 3pm, went for a 3 hour walk.(*8*)

He saw my dog, we ate lunch..and then we walked...around my neighborhood, and a few avenues down where he used to live.

Our talk went from saying how much we miss each other to crying:cry: , to joking around:twisted: , to getting angry:mad: , and then sad :( back again.

He looked good. And while we were sitting on my steps I had to fight every urge to undress him with my eyes and watch his bulge.](*,)

He asked about the loan. He also said its hard for him to come back to NYC, he misses nothing but me.

He talked about me coming out there. And I said I cant. He goes you cant?? Or you are afraid?

I go afraid of what? He goes of what your family will think. I said thats not true.

He then threw his cell phone at me and screamed, "Then go ahead right now in front of me and call your mother and tell her you are gay.." I paused for a second and he goes ,"exactly".

We walked some more..we looked each other in the eyes several times, we walked shoulder to shoulder. We sat on some stranger's property and cried and joked. He said he misses every little detail about me. I said the same. I kept saying how jealous I am of his other friends, as they are gettin to see him most of the time he is here. He said not to be jealous that there is nothing to be jealous of. He said he doesnt love them the way he loves me..and he said his friends dont love him the way I love him.

We talked about all of our points some more. He made good ones, and so did I...I shook his hand goodbye and hugged him and started to cry and just walked away...he said "are you going to be ok?"

I said, "no".

He said, "I will call you later.."

With that I walked the 20 blocks home...a sad, lonely walk. He called me halfway and said he didnt forget about me and will call me again later tonight.

I will update you guys later tonight...ttyl...Vegas
 
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Well its about 11:22pm and Andy called me. He asked how Im feeling and I saod "ok".

I asked him what hes up to and he said coming back from dinner with his girl and his friend and his girl. I was so upset. Not because hes spending time with his friends. I mean thats understandable. But his girl never once even bothered to visit me or even speak to me on the phone. I mean I have done a lot for her too in the past few years.

Am I being overly sensitive here? Or petty? If I am please tell me.

Its odd, she has no problems hanging out or going out with his friends, but she didnt give me the time of day this visit at all. Her dad's birthday is tomorrow, so the day is shot to see either of them. I will see Andy on more time late tomorrow night.

This visit or lack thereof has been painful. In an odd way I cant wait for him to go back to Vegas.

I mean he is finally here in Brooklyn, and out of 4 days..I get to see him for 3 hours?

Am I offbase here guys?? Vegas
 
Re: Undying love for my best friend...please read(long)

Vegas,

I do not think you are offbase in thinking the way you are. I would be peeved too if my buddy traveled all this way after all we had been through and anticipated this reunion and only got to see him for a few hours out of the whole weekend. Luckily the weekend is not completely over and you still have a chance to spend more time together. I doi understand your frustration with the whole situation. However, the ball is in his court to make the effort to see you. I am glad you're looking our for yourself first in this whole thing.
 
Re: Undying love for my best friend...please read(long)

You're not off-base at all. Andy's being unpredictable and not open. Of course you're upset!

Keep in mind what vetteboi said, though -- someone can really love you and still be a user.

Good luck, dude!


p.s. -- I watched the parade; they didn't let those balloons fly much, did they?
 
Re: Undying love for my best friend...please read(long)

You're not off-base at all.

Initially - Andy set your expectations high (w/regards to the visit to NY), and he didn't follow through - and it prob feels like a betrayal now.
 
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Well as, usual, I fell asleep waiting for a call that never came. He was out having fun with his friends.

I wont see Andy until late tonight..he leaves at 11am tomorrow morning. I am kind of disappointed in them both.

I feel like Andy hung out with me yesterday just to "check-in". As far as his girl is concerned, she could have came by for 30 minutes or at the very least even called me to say sorry that I have not seen you, I have just been real busy...but instead what did I get? When he was briefly hanging with me yesterday, she calls him on his cell to ask, "Andrew are you going to spend any time at all with me and my family??", and she gave him hell.

This might be the only reason I dont like Andrew living back in NYC...He treats his other friends better. I KNOW he loves me more. I know he holds me closer. He says it all thetime. But its like he cant control himself when his other friends come around, he goes into this mode. I was always someone he wouldnt mix with his friends. He never had me hang out with them. As much as he said nothing was up with that, it was very obvious something was up with that. I would always hear from Andy or see him AFTER he spent time hanging with his other friends.

Hey, I know I just turned 30..."so why dont I start acting like a 30 yea old!!"

You know what, for the most part I am very mature. But when stuff like this happens it does tend to bring out the immaturity in me. And I know sometimes, especially on some posts here I have a tendency to be overly-sensitive and a bit dramatic, but I don't think thats the case here.

I don't think Im off base to be a litle angry but mostly let down. They hold me in high regard and I have done so much for the both of them, I dont understand the snub??

I mean what if I went there for that week in the summer and stayed at a hotel and didnt even bother seeing his girl??? He certainly would have asked what is up with that...and so would she.

I dont know...Im bit depressed over this visit, and in a weird way I cant wait for them to leave.

Vegas


KUL-Yeah the parade kind of sucked. The rain took me out of the whole parade feeling right from the start. The balloons were flown SO low, that they didnt even look grand like they always do. Maybe next year.
 
Re: Undying love for my best friend...please read(long)

I'm so sorry to hear about how you are being treated. You certainly deserve to be treated better. Try to get out and do something fun today to take your mind off of it.
 
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Well first happy birthday. I just wish Andy could see how much he's hurting you. Your such a great guy. You make me wish I had a nice guy like you. I think Andy was being a jerk about not seeing you a lot more then he could.
 
Re: Undying love for my best friend...please read(long)

Well, at around 1pm this afternoon I kind of got sick of just waiting for a call, so I went over to my folk's house to set up their Christmas decorations and lights and the tree.

I finally heard from him at 7pm!, but I didnt get the call because my parent's house doesnt get good reception.

I get home, call him back, which was just a few minutes ago. It rang and rang.

He just called me back a few minutes ago.

I went off on him a little saying how disappointed and angry I was. He said dont do this, you are making a bigger deal out of this than it is.

He goes he woke up at 4pm.

I go 4pm?? I said for someone who is here for 4 days you really used your fucking time wisely(what a fucking dick).

I said it would have been nice to hear from you or even your girl, considering how close you claim you are to me and considering how much I do for you(I usually dont throw shit I do up at in people's faces but I just was saying shit off the cuff).

I told him during this visit I felt totally shit on.

He said he had nothing but anxiety last night. I go oh yeah? So thats why I didnt get a call? Couldnt have been that bad.

He said he just woke up at 4pm, got dressed and went to the birthday surprise party for her father they were all throwing.

I told him I was here until 2pm, but I wasnt going to sit here all day waiting for him to call so I went out.

He kept going on and on saying everyone is having problems with sharing time with him(who is he the fucking Pope??).

I go right, and every night you stayed up until the early morning with your other friends(which is understandable and fine, but dont fucking lie to me).

I love him, but Im so pissed at him. I cant wait until his ass is out of NYC.

He claimed he called me all day like 6-7 times.

But wasnt he sleeping till 4? And I checked my caller ID, it said one missed call from him, at 7pm. I hate when he fucking lies.

Vegas
 
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Vegas,

I would ignore his calls for the rest of the time he's here - you certainly don't need the grief - the weekend is almost over and it's obvious he's not making much of an effort to hang with you. I would be counting the minutes until he leaves. I assume you're having 2nd thought about a reciprocal visit to see him in Las Vegas? I am sure if you had come through with the $$ he asked it would have changed things. But be assured you have done the right thing in holding back on a loan.
 
Re: Undying love for my best friend...please read(long)

Hey Rican whats going on with you man??

Well Andrew called back. He said he is going out of his mind. Everyone at the party is eating and having a good time and he is doing horrible(serves him right!).

He said he feels bad because Im mad at him for something he had no control over.

He said he wished he could have spent the whole weekend with me.

I told him I apologize for blowing up before and that my anger has subsided. I did however, tell him that my disappointment and hurt feelings still remain.

He said, "Bri why cant you just come home with me? I have a sixth sense about all of this..I think everything would work out if you come back.."

I told him I dont know. He said, "I would like to see you later BUT I have no car and it's tough..."

I go, "you know what bro, it doesnt even matter by now...I just will call you before you leave and wish you safe travels.."

He goes, "I guess that means no to you coming to Vegas or no to you giving me the loan to come home..."

I said that I didnt know and that right now Im not even thinking about it.

He said I hear ya bro..and he said "let me go".

And I did(just not in my heart yet)

Vegas

PS-Mind you, the friend that hes staying with the past 3 nights(his girl is staying with her borther) lives 15 blocks from me!! You are telling me he couldnt make an effort to walk and see me? Come on now...
 
Re: Undying love for my best friend...please read(long)

I know you guys are good friends, but everything just seems ONE SIDED. It seems more like you're the one making all the effort. I've been in situations like that. Of course, I wasn't in love w/ the people who I've been in situations like ths with, bt I've had friends, whom at the time I considered "best friends" and I was the one putting all the effort in to keep the friendship going. Eventually I just got tired and stopped. I lost both those friends(but at different times). It's sad, but it's TOTALLY unfair for you to keep giving your all and not get anything in return.

Recently I met one of those friends and we reacquainted and exchanged numbers. NEVER CALLED! which really pissed me off. Everytime in the past I'd always be the one calling, he'd claim he forgot the number or lost it or whatever. I called him once since we met each other again, but we haven't talked after that. But I also lost his number this time as well LOL, but hey he probably doesn't care anyway.

But yea, don't drive yourself mad over this. You've already made a step in the right direction by NOT giving him the money. Maybe you should back off for a while and make him call you.
 
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