Why are JUBbers so prejudiced against the religious/religion in general?

[cgymike]

Because there are a gazillion reasons why atheism is more valid....

 

[Alnitak]

Because there are a gazillion reasons why atheism is more valid....

There is only one, but that's all you need.

 

[lambdaboy]

MM Could it be because the people in most cases many of those that are against us are the religious. They forget that not one homophobic remark came out of Jesus's mouth. Personally I could care less what people believe. I have one saying though. I respect your right to believe in a god but; "Religion is like a Penis, do not wave it in my face or shove it down my throat" Atheist and proud.

 

[cgymike]

There is only one, but that's all you need.

And what is that exactly?

 

[bort138]

And what is that exactly?

There is insufficient evidence to rationally justify belief in god(s). The End.

 

[xbuzzerx]

There is insufficient evidence to rationally justify belief in god(s). The End.

Aside from crazy creationist types religious belief is never predicated on the notion that it can be rationally justified through factual evidence. The notion that no one should be religious because it lacks factual evidence is an argument that only makes sense to someone who's already an atheist.

 

[Sausy]

I have more respect for agnosticism that doesn't pound its chest on its own superior enlightenment. I definitely understand those who aren't religious... for many being gay was something to be ostracized for, demeaned, told only repentance would save them. Fuck that, no room for that kind of "Christianity" or any other organized faith in my world either. Having religious faith is not required to live a good life or to have a strong moral code... but as Lucky and others said religion is what people make of it Can bring out the worst in people, and totally justify the fury many have against institutional religion and its inhumane excesses or bring out the absolute best in people when faith is lived in action in service to others.

I'm nominally Catholic, as are my family these days but there are really good people in my Church who live the words of Jesus and I do not care to see them demeaned by the oh so wise advanced human who feels any religious person or institution in itself should be ridiculed or demeaned. I would deem them as self righteous and insufferable as those who wave God, sin, faith and damnation to all those who don't see their light... a little humility about their own sweeping views would go a long way.

I respect those who show respect, and humanity towards others whether they are non believers, neutral, or have a personal faith who are of good will. Do I share the same opinions and perspectives on many things? No I don't... but so long as the in your face atheists continue with their smug filled haughtiness towards the "stupid, naïve, superstitious " public that believe in something outside the realm of the merely empirical they will always lose in the public relations battle.

People are always going to be different... I believe that for many having some kind of faith is hard wired, many others just find comfort and strength from their faith. A good number will live perfectly fine lives without a core belief in organized religion, either outright or with some spiritual base that has no doctrinal allegiances... there are energies and mysteries outside our common existence that will resonate with a sizable portion of that group, or their may be a basic agnosticism towards anything spiritual and unproven. There are always going to be the more empiric minded, based solely on reason with great skepticism or outright rejection of anything that stands outside of what appears rational. They are the kind that should play better with others in the sandbox... supposed open minds, but closed to argument or even consideration.

And then there are the users of faith to justify bigotry, fear, inhumanity in the name of God. There is no place for them at all and I would co-sign wholeheartedly on ripping on them and calling them out very heartily on their hypocrisy, their fraudulence. They bring only darkness to where they ought bring light, and they have been among the biggest scourges on humanity. Pile on them, knock yourselves out.

I know there are many who are more gifted in logical argument than myself. I wish I had the intellectual gifts to wipe the smugness off their faces in their disdain for anything that doesn't conform to their own vision of a post religious, post "superstitious" world. Most Americans do have a good sense of fair play and would not be so turned off by atheists if they weren't so asinine in their sense of superiority. As I said before, some humility goes a long way. What is beyond our direct senses and comprehension will probably always be unproven or not provable in either way, certainly not to any real hardliner's satisfaction. While I'm not an observant Catholic, certainly don't have a nature that easily buys into doctrine I choose to believe there IS something out there greater than us we cannot possibly truly comprehend, not in this plane of existence. If there is, well I'd be thrilled..... if there isn't, wouldn't matter because it would be an eternal sleep, no consciousness whatsoever. So either way, no harm and no foul.

 

[IamNoah]

Religion at its best was/is about stories and rituals not the literalism that has come to characterize religion; historically (despite Inquisitions [I personally would prefer an Inquisition to Albigensianism, but I digress], crusades, terrorism, and North America) religion was primarily un-theological, local, palliative, and heavily focused on life cycle events. Most modern Evangelicals for instance would be shocked to read what their 19th century forbears (before the mainline/fundie split) believed (Old Earth Creationism for instance was non-controversial before the late 19th Century). And do not get me started on how the notion of Papal Infallibility was received before it became Dogma in 1871 (one of the 17th century saints described it as "an obnoxious superstition of unlettered peasantry").

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Blah blah blah. Totally didn't read a word.

Then I don't see why you're here. Grow up.

 

[vulgar_newcomer]

Every week of every month at least 1, sometimes 2 or 3 religious group is knocking on my front door. Baptist, Jehovah, Mormons, etc. trying to recruit, convert, save me. They litter my front door with fliers invites to the rival, or little religious pamphlets.
Big ugly billboards coat the roads with messages of God and saviour in Christ.
My cable TV which I pay for is all crapped up with bullshit religious networks. Radio and TV commercials blasting out serums and retreats to be saved.
Fine I don't spread my beliefs and more power to someone who finds spirituality that helps them.
But wtf???
I have never seen or heard any of the above from a Atheist group or even Satan group. No Atheist has ever knocked on my front door trying to convert me that they had all the answers.

 

[Alnitak]

Grow up.

I'll stay young and beautiful for as long as possible. Thanks.

 

[borg69unimatrix]

Every week of every month at least 1, sometimes 2 or 3 religious group is knocking on my front door. Baptist, Jehovah, Mormons, etc. trying to recruit, convert, save me. They litter my front door with fliers invites to the rival, or little religious pamphlets.
Big ugly billboards coat the roads with messages of God and saviour in Christ.
My cable TV which I pay for is all crapped up with bullshit religious networks. Radio and TV commercials blasting out serums and retreats to be saved.
Fine I don't spread my beliefs and more power to someone who finds spirituality that helps them.
But wtf???
I have never seen or heard any of the above from a Atheist group or even Satan group. No Atheist has ever knocked on my front door trying to convert me that they had all the answers.

I agree !!! ... and they accuse US of recruiting !! At least those Mormon guys are nice to look at.

 

[zoltanspawn]

Religion at its best was/is about stories and rituals not the literalism that has come to characterize religion;...

Agreed. Literalism is the essence of most contemporary Abrahamic religion, but that is not the same thing as religion generally. Before we can make a sophisticated practice of/critique of religion, we ought to first be able to provide a complete account of it, something rarely done.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

I'll stay young and beautiful for as long as possible. Thanks.

Well, I hope that works out for you.

 

[Alnitak]

Well, I hope that works out for you.

I forgot to add intelligent and knowledgeable, which will last for the rest of my life.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

I forgot to add intelligent and knowledgeable, which will last for the rest of my life.

Well, you seem pretty full of yourself.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

Agreed. Literalism is the essence of most contemporary Abrahamic religion, but that is not the same thing as religion generally. Before we can make a sophisticated practice of/critique of religion, we ought to first be able to provide a complete account of it, something rarely done.

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[iidol777]

I agree completely.

 

[eastofeden]

The irony here is that some of the people who are staunch atheists and some of the people who are staunchly religious often share the same quality...anyone who doesn't agree with them or see things the way they do is "wrong" or "stupid" or "uninformed"....and I notice they are more alike than they are different.

Neither one "knows" for certain that God exists or doesn't exist yet both are self appointed authorities that think what they believe is THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

Well now that (some hardcore) atheists are worshiping the atom and starting to make churches celebrating the gospel of there being no gospel to celebrate, I've just started calling myself non-religious just to get away from those fucknuts.