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Why Can't JUBers Learn To Speak?

(ohmygoodness, to so so many snide remarks I must reply :) )

Perhaps your spelling then would have to do with another element which is alive and well which is laziness and a slovenly approach to writing?)

In the spirit of laziness to which I have grown so accustomed, You are black and I'm read, wrought, I mean "red".

I wasn't being "snide", a bit cunty perhaps but not intentionally nasty any more than was indicated IMO.

BTW, MY spelling? I'm thinking YOUR spelling! (Is it just me?)


Context man, context. When I must write well, as in it's a requirement, I muddle through well enough despite my beastie disposition. It's just a waste of a finite resource when it comes to things like...oh, I don't know, posting in a porn forum. I try to be legible, but beyond that...life, ya know. I'm quite happy to report that sometimes I just have better things to do than pour over every apostrophe and obsess over minutia.

I don't recall mentioning "intelligence" so that would be something you have inferred from what I wrote. But perhaps that would be a reading comprehension issue (or one of self esteem) on your part?

Oh honey chops, It ain't all about you! I know I fluffed your mojo by quoting only you (you were handy, I was being lazy) but the intelligence observation was all my own creation based on some things I inferred from other posts. Hope you aren't too shattered.

Casual? Informal? I would say that everyone here for the most part is communicating in their informal voice. But for some, perhaps "informal" means tea on the lawn while for others, its wiping burrito sauce off their chin?

I'm a sashimi in a canoe kind of informal guy. Funnily enough I think I'm a prone to pretension... You Mr ds have it mastered. Well not really, you are just more showy than I am I suppose. I try to reign it in a bit...really!

Yes. I know nothing about text messaging. Your deductive reasoning needs honing.

You know, I get that.

Again, returning to reading comphrension, what would be nefarious would not be text messaging or IM. Instead it would be that within those modes of communcation one runs the risk of getting stuck at a certain level.

How exactly does one become "stuck"? No, I think at some point a preference develops and people decide that in the end they are communicating and not writing the Iliad.

Did I mention in any of my posts about a baby raised in the woods by wild turkeys? I would think you need to go back and re-read what was actually written and then go to any illiterate home where the children know how to speak.

I myself was raised by hippies so just a notch above turkeys. I maintain that language is NOT natural, it is an artificial construct and doesn't come to anyone "naturally" AT ALL. English is open to interpretation and 'evolution', unlike some people. English is a living language and always changing...and like blow-jobs something most people butcher IMPE.

Would it be the person who makes a post on a subject (as I did) or one who breaks that post down line by line in a hostile manner who would be obsessed with the subject (or something)?

Sorry, I wasn't meaning to be hostile, just contrary. Blame the hippies. If it smells bad to me I tend to say "yuk!"

:D And because your snide remarks continued into another post, I'll reply to them here, too as to save post space.

Oh, that's just lazy IMO!

You'll have to determine who would be the monkey, I imagine, before you could know if I were serious or jesting. And that may drive you apes.

I'm very much in touch with my chimp side, classes don't start 'till after Labour Day so I'm cutting myself a bit of slack. I'm quite happy to role play, I'm just not sufficiently worried to give it any more consideration than it warrants. Porn forum, remember?

If all the PhDs that you know speak that way on a regular basis, I would begin to fill out the transfer papers at once. Or simply seek out other mentors and friends.

Alas my friends are a bunch of uneducated louts, like myself. The only PhD's I hang with are by necessity...the school thing. Necessity makes whore of us all I guess.

The worst offender of the PhD illiterate crowd is tenured so asking him to transfer is going to be futile. I'm not thinking of moving as I know it's hard to park at Harvard and the commute is a killer. It's my lazy streak again I guess.


"Fuk U" may be clear. But so, too, is English of a higher caliber to other people. I can make a "fuck you" whether done in seven or in five thousands letters. But sometimes, in the latter message of "fuck you", one learns a great deal more along the way.

My point was (and is) sometimes "fuk u" is PERFECTLY clear. Why waste endless verbiage to say what 4 letters conveys with simple clarity and brilliance? Unless of course you have noting better to do and your 'audience' has wet hair and the time wade through all of the excess extrapolating while their hot curlers do their thing.

Granted, a 40s film has its tone. But what some people forget is that many people BACK THEN really did speak that way. In fact, even today, I speak that way far moreso than "Fuck, really?" ever comes out of my mouth or off my finger tips. Sadly, though, one can get attacked for such since "Fuck'n A" is so much (get my junior high cap) "cooler".

I'm actually a HUGE 40's-50's film buff BTW. As for "cooler" I don't think that has been part of the lexicon since kids in junior high parted their hair in the middle and listened to Cindy Lauper. Just an observation.

As soon as I hear someone speaking the work "fuck" (...) I simply figure that they searched for a word but didn't have the vocabulary skills to find it.

When I see the work "fuck" I consider the context...like here, a porn forum. I like the word "fuck", perfectly serviceable. I can also site about a dozen literary examples in well written books that have actually been published...has me thinking it's not the indicator or illiteracy some might insist.

One man's pomposity is another man's chicken McNuggets.

Say it isn't so! You don't really eat those things? Do you?

(I must sit now for I am drained from all the personal attack :( ...on my lack of punching "fuck" into my cell phone).

You typed all that while standing..on your head?

Come on and get some skin. I have some extra on my bag to spare. You're welcome to it. It wasn't a personal attack. Nothing "personal" at all. Not much of an attack either. I just strongly disagreed with most of what you said IN THOSE TWO POSTS.

If you genuinely feel "personally attacked" by my post, then I apologise. It's a harsh world now that even we monkeys have T3 access to the internet. Nothing is sacred anymore...not even Knights of the English language. I do my level best to avoid personal attacks, they are usually pointless and cheap (something I try not to be). If they were "personal" I'm sure the JUB gods would have pointed that out to me... "personally". I do tend to play by they rules if nothing else.

Just as a point of reference, I did find your two post a bit...harsh (and A few other verbs come to mind). I'm thinking you might not see it?


Peace,
 
While I'm all on about it...

Just an observation:

Here is my thing...There are people 'here' who are reluctant to post their thoughts because they think their vocabulary doesn't pass some artificial litmus test. When some JUBBERS start droning on and on about how some posters just aren't literate enough or "lazy" it stifles conversation and the free exchange of ideas. All bad.

Not everyone completed high school let alone post-grad programs. Their input and opinions are as valuable and insightful as any PhD's...often more so on a variety of topics. One of the brightest people I know is an old drag queen with perhaps a grade six education. "She" is also perhaps the most insightful, observant person I have ever met. Anyone who devalues her opinion because "she" speaks simply is a fool or a pathetic snob IMO.

This is a casual forum in a PORN site for God's sake! Let's endeavour to take people as they come and with the tools they have to communicate. Snobbery is all good fun and setting the bar impossibly high is a good way to make your posts shine...like so much steaming shit.

I don't know what the internet represents to you but for me it's all about equal access regardless of education, vocabulary or social status. Am I wrong about this?

Slamming the door on people who can't muster at least five literary references or a vocabulary that sparkles is the worst kind of censorship because it prays on peoples insecurities.

That's where I'm coming from.
 
tbonez-

I commend you!!! You hit the nail right on the head, thank you. I have found myself stopping and thinking do I really want to post in this thread or not..in fear of sounding stupid to somebody who has nothing else better to do than tear apart my idea's. Love the post bro..:=D: :=D: :=D: :=D: :=D: :=D:
 
But its not only about you. ... But what about those who have to decipher it all?

If it makes you gag feel free to not read it.

As a general rule if I get to the point where I can't decipher a post I make my way to the next one. No biggie. There is no test at the end of the day and EVERYONE is entitled to have their say...even if they learned English from a tabloid.

I thought it was broader than that. It seemed to be about how poor language skills are rife everywhere - even offline (heavensforbid).

Again, I come back to Londonstani...only 'cause it's the most recent example of extreme English dialect I have recently read.

It is: 1) brilliant. 2) published 3) widley read 4)glowingly reviewed 5) not even remotely the Queen's English.

When we set out to be "contrary", "hostile" is never far behind. (Yes. You may write that down).

Running short of post-it notes. Saving them for something clever...or making a note of the dog's next grooming appointment.


I don't think that hair parted down the middle and Cindy Lauper were quite the same moment in time. ....

I wouldn't know to be perfectly honest. I wasn't born at the time and I don't watch the 80's "classics" on TV.

Head was involved. That's all I can say at this time

Again, while standing up...and typing?

I am not a fan of cut/uncut threads. Or did you mean extra skin of a different sort?

Ya, off my bag. My foreskin isn't on offer as it's bloody cold up here in winter and my knob needs the extra insulation.

You may disagree with anything you like.

Not likely, I generally disagree with things is dislike. Just me.

You can find a post to be "harsh" but someone :wave: else can't find a post to be lacking in language skills?

It seems apparent your ego is indestructible and you sense of self-worth...grand. I'm not to worried about you.

I've always been more interested in coddling the vulnerable, sensitive bois.
 
Well, I must say I'm surprised....

I never thought this thing would catch on to three pages, let alone still be on the front page when I returned today.

I've read through most of the posts here, and some of them present the very argument that I've presented.

Others call us prudes, grammar police and so forth....Just because we want to see the English language used properly.

I'm not saying that people to whom English is a second language should learn every last faucet and nuance of the language...

I respect anyone who speaks more than one language, and hope to join them one of these days when I have the time to commit to learning a new language.

My problem mostly lies with those to whom English is their only language.

I don't know if it's laziness, ignorance, or rather just complete disrespect that keeps them from using the language properly!

I've seen a lot of posts that support Internet Shorthand and shrug off using the correct spelling and usage (u instead of you, 2 instead of To/Two/Too , etc.) while saying that we should give people who do this a break...

Then they go on to include the people who speak English as a second language in their arguement....

Have you ever considered what this sentence looks like to someone who barely speaks English?!

so my buds and I went 2 the mall 2 find us some coool clothes then we went down 2 the food court and got some crazy good foodz

Yikes, I developed a headache just trying to think up that example!

If you're going to condemn us "grammar police" and use both your internet shorthand and English as a second language speakers for your arguement, have the same consideration for them and try to post a sentence they can understand!
 
While I'm all on about it...

Just an observation:

Here is my thing...There are people 'here' who are reluctant to post their thoughts because they think their vocabulary doesn't pass some artificial litmus test. When some JUBBERS start droning on and on about how some posters just aren't literate enough or "lazy" it stifles conversation and the free exchange of ideas. All bad.

Not everyone completed high school let alone post-grad programs. Their input and opinions are as valuable and insightful as any PhD's...often more so on a variety of topics. One of the brightest people I know is an old drag queen with perhaps a grade six education. "She" is also perhaps the most insightful, observant person I have ever met. Anyone who devalues her opinion because "she" speaks simply is a fool or a pathetic snob IMO.

This is a casual forum in a PORN site for God's sake! Let's endeavour to take people as they come and with the tools they have to communicate. Snobbery is all good fun and setting the bar impossibly high is a good way to make your posts shine...like so much steaming shit.

I don't know what the internet represents to you but for me it's all about equal access regardless of education, vocabulary or social status. Am I wrong about this?

Slamming the door on people who can't muster at least five literary references or a vocabulary that sparkles is the worst kind of censorship because it prays on peoples insecurities.

That's where I'm coming from.

A very good point. <3
 
Good Lord!

And to think I logged off 12 hours ago because Zeremonie told everyone to play nice and I thought showtime was over, and here I am again and everyone is still all pissy with each other.

I think we all raise valid points. Sometimes a simple "fuck off, you clown" is more effective than five pages of poetic and witty cynical diatribe which needs to be read through several times to appreciate every subtle nuance.

But sometimes, a beautifully constructed epic page or more of skillfully focused sarcasm which builds sysnergistically with every line into an enormous pit of vitriol is just that much more pleasant to read and savour.

A place for each, and each to his place.

What I find most amusing is how everyone is tearing a strip off each other in such a polite manner. It's unreal that several long entries, all liberally sprinkled with such terms as fuck, cunty and - of all things - cumpig (which is a word you just do not hear every day), are all so delightfully civil at the end of the day.

-d-
 
You hit the nail right on the head, thank you. I have found myself stopping and thinking do I really want to post in this thread or not..in fear of sounding stupid to somebody who has nothing else better to do than tear apart my idea's. Love the post bro..:=D: :=D: :=D: :=D: :=D: :=D:

yeah, i find myself doing the same also.. ive watched the way i type things, and how i construct my posts, but its got to me now, so much so, that i shouldnt need to care, when posting on an internet forum..and i wont. ill make my posts readable, but I will no longer worry how my posts look, to make sure i dont look stupid!:grrr:

I dont type/talk the way some people here do, and wish others to do.. im not going to try and type differently for the sake of a couple people being able to read it.. i am me, and thats all i can be..
 
Lol. Aww looks like missed all the fun while i was away. Typical.
 
Sorry, I'm an old fart.

What does "<3" mean??
 
I'm glad you asked that - I was wondering what it meant - if you tilt tour head to the left it looks somewhat like a pair of bollocks:confused:

Tilt to the right dear, tilt to the right ;)

Although you could've just invented a whole new meaning for that emoticon...
 
Others call us prudes, grammar police and so forth....Just because we want to see the English language used properly.

I don't know if it's laziness, ignorance, or rather just complete disrespect that keeps them from using the language properly!

If I had to guess, I'm inclined to think that when you call someone 'lazy, ignorant or disrespectful' you are going to get a few backs up. It's loaded language and full of personal attributions.

If I see someone walking down the street with their jeans hanging off their ass, a ripped tee-shirt and dirty shoes I have a choice to make...I can assume that they are 'lazy, ignorant or disrespectful'. Attaching that value judgment is a choice. I could also consider that they come from a family with no money, the jeans are hand-me-downs, the tee is the only one he owns and wash day is a luxury that is a weekly event. Perhaps it is just his personal sense of style.

If I confront the grungy kid and use language like 'lazy, ignorant or disrespectful' and bemoan the fact kids these day can't tie a bow-tie properly, I would expect a conflict on my hands...or a fist in my face.

Sorry, I'm an old fart.

What does "<3" mean??

Perhaps that is at the root of it. It's a generational thing? Every generation has maligned the next for their laziness, lack of proper form and butchery of the English language. You'd think civilization was teetering on the brink of anarchy the way some opine for the 'good old days'. My generation feels that the geezers are inflexible, ridged and unable to accept inevitable change. I'm sure Mary Queen of Scots would be mortified to read Elizibeth's Christmas address... Perhaps that's it, the problem lies with old queens.

English isn't under threat or siege. Hundreds of brilliantly written books come out every year. Some authors are old farts, some are not that much older than I am.
 
. . . or Dudley DooRight's chin. :lol:

Symbols aside, even plain English is in imprecise to the ENGLISH!

Depending on weather you are in England, Ireland or Scotland the words "fanny, cunt, twat and pusey" have ENTIRELY different meanings in the local dialect.

Even five dollar words are no more clear than "fuc u", it's the context.
 
You need to read Eats, Shoots, and Leaves by Lynne Truss.

It seems every day I come on, another language is slowly taking over this site.

I'm not saying an actual language, I'm complaining more about the usage of "slang" and "internet banter".

Don't get me wrong, every once in awhile it is useful to shorten you to u or laughing my ass off to lmao...

But what is with this new fixation of replacing S with Z?

That's one method of speaking that I've never quite been able to understand.

And then there comes the biggest atrocity against the English language: The poor usage of grammer.

Tell me, my fellow JUBers...Which one of these is easier to read?

1.) Once upon a time, there lived a peaceful prince in the kingdom of Far, Far Away. One day he went on a mythical quest to rescue his fairy godfather, and forever find the strapping lad he was meant to be with.

So, he set forth from his castle on his trusty steed and sped away into the night.


OR....

2.) once upon a time there lived a peaceful prince in the kingdom of far far away one day he went on a mythical quest to rescue his fairy godfather and forever find the strapping lad he was meant to be with so he set forth from his castle on his trust steed and sped away into the night


Ghastly, isn't it?

Remember my fellow JUBers what you're dealing with. The majesty and grandeur of the English language, it's the greatest possession we have.

The noblest thoughts that ever flowed through the hearts of men are contained in its extraordinary, imaginative, and musical mixtures of sounds!

Well, that being said....

Why can't JUBers learn to speak?!
 
If I see someone walking down the street with their jeans hanging off their ass, a ripped tee-shirt and dirty shoes I have a choice to make...I can assume that they are 'lazy, ignorant or disrespectful'. Attaching that value judgment is a choice. I could also consider that they come from a family with no money, the jeans are hand-me-downs, the tee is the only one he owns and wash day is a luxury that is a weekly event. Perhaps it is just his personal sense of style.

This is different though.

This is a "fashion statement", a trend that will soon die out and be replaced by something else.

Eventually, this internet language will evolve into something else and then we'll all be in real trouble!

As for a generational gap, I'm only 19 and I'm a stickler for grammar and proper usage...So I hardly think that's a valid arguement anymore.

We need to stop floating in the mainstream letting current trends and fads wash us down river!

We need to stick to something common, stick to something basic, and stick to something that won't evolve into a language of Numerical Figures and Symbols:
The Common Language.

Be it English, German, French, Spanish, etc!
 
you know...i remember one of my english instructors saying the point of language to express what you are thinking to someone else. so if you do that and they understand you then that's all that matters in the end.

yes i tend to use short hand here. it doesn't bother me to see lots of short hand and since i'm still using firefox, i don't have access to spell check within jub. I'm not going to type all my messages into word and then spell check them and then copy and paste them here. so spelling is off the table for me. however, i will attempt to use less short internet talk while here to help ;)
 
you know...i remember one of my english instructors saying the point of language to express what you are thinking to someone else. so if you do that and they understand you then that's all that matters in the end.

He/she was right! Language (just talking about the verbal kind here) is all about communication. Without that, it's nothing more than a string of unintelligible sounds and would therefore serve no purpose at all. Put me in a room with a Korean man who doesn't speak a word of English and we would be unable to communicate. The languages we both speak would become useless in an instant. Over time we might learn a few words from each other's language, after which there would be some use for the sounds and words.

Communication is key.
 
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