Why are JUBbers so prejudiced against the religious/religion in general?

[MoufOfKhaos]

I don't read that thread -- too many people full of hate.

There are actually real anti-Muslim cartoons in the thread?

Yes. Which you'd know if you read the thread.

But the irony of you calling people hateful isn't lost on me.

 

[johaninsc]

I don't read that thread -- too many people full of hate.

There are actually real anti-Muslim cartoons in the thread?

yes, I posted them, myself...some cartoons, some pics

 

[nycguydowntown]

I don't read that thread -- too many people full of hate.

Lol--another Colbert comedy fest---his hateful avatar is a gross cartoon of an obvious good man ---with nothing but deranged hate 24-7 coming his way.

 

[bort138]

I don't read that thread -- too many people full of hate.

There are actually real anti-Muslim cartoons in the thread?

I've posted several anti-Islam images in the thread as well. All religion is fair game.

 

[syoBsUtsuJ]

Methinks it's just people trying to impose their religion unto others. I'm gay, but I'm also a devout Catholic, so there's an oxymoron for you. I certainly don't impose my beliefs, wants, or desires on to others.

 

[xbuzzerx]

if so, why are the ones that I've posted in the anti-religious pic thread still up?

I've posted several anti-Islam images in the thread as well. All religion is fair game.

But this cannot be. Haven't people here claimed that JUB shows special deference to Islam?

 

[bort138]

I understand why people would have a problem with the religious right, but I find it weird on here that people are willing to mock people on this very board and their beliefs when they clearly aren't of the same group.

Criticism of moderate believers is usually aimed at their belief in the supernatural claims of their religion, not whether or not the effect their religious beliefs have on the society, world, politics, etc. The conclusions and stances on specific issues may vary between fundamentalists and moderates but they have more in common that they would like to admit.

 

[syoBsUtsuJ]

Wow!!! Marry me!

criticism of moderate believers is usually aimed at their belief in the supernatural claims of their religion, not whether or not the effect their religious beliefs have on the society, world, politics, etc. The conclusions and stances on specific issues may vary between fundamentalists and moderates but they have more in common that they would like to admit.

 

[star-warrior]

Quite often people say 'we should "respect" them because of their religious belief or religion'.

Why should the religious/religions be give any special accommodation?

When atheists speak out, they are riled against murdered and have no special protection or accomodation. In the past they have been put to death as unbelievers. Religious freedoms and legal protections have been enacted into laws pertaining to heresy and blasphemy and tell me how non-believers are prejudiced.

Why should we enable the religious and religion to create climates of persecution?

When you have a privileged class of people moaning about how they're wronged against by people who are pointing out their absurdities, I say you're just a bunch of fucking whining bitches!

 

[eastofeden]

Just one thought....

Beliefs are just that ....and disrespect comes from just about everyone who doesn't understand that....that includes religious people

I believe in God...always have....but I am over in left field as I don't define God and whenever I talk about it with a religious person I regret it as they either decide I am crazy or they just "know" I haven't found the truth. It rarely occurs to most of them that whatever it is they believe in is just that...a belief....

I used to go to Shirley MacLaine's website alot ...still do sometimes. You can have a decent discussion there without the usual BS.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Quite often people say 'we should "respect" them because of their religious belief or religion'.

I generally think people should respect others belief regardless of it being religious or not. Until the point of moral superiority or trying to forcing beliefs onto others. I do and don't particularly respect peoples beliefs who do this and/or take fun in constantly mocking others beliefs.

 

[zoltanspawn]

Just one thought....

Beliefs are just that ....and disrespect comes from just about everyone who doesn't understand that....that includes religious people

I believe in God...always have....but I am over in left field as I don't define God and whenever I talk about it with a religious person I regret it as they either decide I am crazy or they just "know" I haven't found the truth. It rarely occurs to most of them that whatever it is they believe in is just that...a belief....

I used to go to Shirley MacLaine's website alot ...still do sometimes. You can have a decent discussion there without the usual BS.

I think it's worth noting that beliefs may be of many different characters, too. Some are fanciful and light-hearted, some of great importance, some are totally true and simultaneously trivial, others are empirically false but insightful.

Some beliefs are harmful, some are enlightening.

I think it's worth giving some hue and shape to the nature of our beliefs.

 

[xbuzzerx]

I generally think people should respect others belief regardless of it being religious or not. Until the point of moral superiority or trying to forcing beliefs onto others. I do and don't particularly respect peoples beliefs who do this and/or take fun in constantly mocking others beliefs.

Would "I just don't think homosexuality is right or natural" (without any religious trappings to the statement) qualify as a belief that should be respected?

I could see how that would fall under "moral superiority", but at the same time, almost any context where the topic of "you should respect other people's beliefs" comes up, it will be a case of someone invoking moral superiority-- either belittling someone for believing something, or claiming someone is wrong for not believing it. I had a hard time picturing a situation where it wouldn't involve one of those two things.

 

[bort138]

Human beings deserve respect but unreasonable and unsupported beliefs do not. People are sometimes mistaken and can be scammed or fooled easily. There is so much information out there that many things we just accept or infer without much thought. We also subject to our own biases and may reach conclusions through fallacious reasoning.

Challenging and questioning why we hold the beliefs we do is beneficial to everyone because we all have had beliefs at some point that we may not have thought critically or examined before. I would prefer to live in a society where people can freely exchange and debate ideas in a civil manner so that we may jettison the false or unsupported beliefs that are holding us back.

 

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[star-warrior]

Beliefs are just that ....and disrespect comes from just about everyone who doesn't understand that....that includes religious people

Would you be disrespecting someone if as an adult they still believe in the Tooth Fairy?

 

[blackbeltninja]

Do you really think that people would not find other ways to hinder your rights if it were not for religion?

They would. Of course they would. And it might be quite difficult to do.

But thanks to the popularity of religion, and us all not wanting to offend each other by saying "this religion seems to have a few great gaping holes in its theories and postulates; maybe we should have a proper think about it, shouldn't we?", they don't need to. So they don't.

-d-

 

[LeicsDom]

However, when the topic of religion comes up, I see so much hate and persecution.

It is because organised religion is a hateful, bigotted, harmful thing
Organised religion created hate and persecution

 

[unloadonme]

I can understand why religion flourished in an age of general ignorance. I'm also aware how much conflict and loss of life has been caused in the name of religion over the centuries. What I fail to understand is how otherwise intelligent individuals can, in the modern twenty-first century world, accept as credible the superstitious medieval claptrap which underlies religious belief.

I should add that my view has nothing to do with my sexuality. I don't believe for one minute that I would think any differently if I were straight.

 

[Willie Boy]

Every time I open a thread that has anything to do with religion, I regret it soon after. Often, JUB is a place that allows for conversation around different viewpoints. Even when there is an argument, there are some on both sides.

However, when the topic of religion comes up, I see so much hate and persecution. I curiously opened the Hawkins thread in CE&P and was quite disgusted
You'd think people that have experienced persecution in their own lives would be more open-minded and accepting of DIFFERENCE. I still don't get it after being a member and observer here for years.

Personally, I'm an agnostic. I find hardcore atheists to be just as deplorable as the hardcore fundamentalists. However, I understand that everyone has a right to believe what they want as long as they do not let it affect the way they treat other people.

You have to remember this: for centuries idiots that don't truly understand what the Bible teaches have been using misconceptions and twisted passages to belittle and beat down gays. Many gays don't forgive any better than anybody else. Hate breeds hate and there are so many who claim to be Christian but have nothing but hate in their hearts. They hate and become hated back. Only with the gays, many don't understand the difference between a true Christian and one who simply claims to be, therefore their hate is not targeted at just the guilty, but all. Its like that old phrase, kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out.